Monday, March 16th 2015

More Radeon R9 390X Specs Leak: Close to 70% Faster than R9 290X

Earlier today, AMD reportedly showed its industry partners (likely add-in board partners) a presentation, which was leaked to the web as photographs, and look reasonably legitimate, at first glance. If these numbers of AMD's upcoming flagship product, the Radeon R9 390X WCE (water-cooled edition) hold up, then it could spell trouble for NVIDIA and its GeForce GTX TITAN X. To begin with, the slides confirm that the R9 390X will feature 4,096 stream processors, based on a more refined version of Graphics CoreNext architecture. The core ticks at speeds of up to 1050 MHz. The R9 390X could sell in two variants, an air-cooled one with tamed speeds, and a WCE (water-cooled edition) variant, which comes with an AIO liquid-cooling solution, which lets it throw everything else out of the window in psychotic and murderous pursuit of performance.

It's the memory, where AMD appears to be an early adopter (as its HD 4870 was the first to run the faster GDDR5). The R9 390X features a 4096-bit wide HBM memory bus, holding up to 8 GB of memory. The memory is clocked at 1.25 GHz. The actual memory bandwidth will yet end up much higher than the 5.00 GHz 512-bit GDDR5 on the R9 290X. Power connectors will be the same combination as the previous generation (6-pin + 8-pin). What does this all boil down to? A claimed single-precision floating point performance figure of 8.6 TFLOP/s. Wonder how NVIDIA's GM200 compares to that. AMD claims that the R9 390X will be 50-60% faster than the R9 290X, and we're talking about benchmarks such as Battlefield 4 and FarCry 4. The expectations on NVIDIA's upcoming product are only bound to get higher.
Source: VideoCardz
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99 Comments on More Radeon R9 390X Specs Leak: Close to 70% Faster than R9 290X

#1
lynx29
my $200 newegg gift card is ready. and sell my 290x hopefully for 150 or 200, so 300 outta pocket... not bad if the price of $700 is rumored true.
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#2
erocker
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I'll be quite disappointed if the pricing is true. I mean, if the PC market is stagnant (which it is), throwing a 200 dollar markup on their top tier cards is probably not the way to go.

Also, with the factory cooling it seems like there will be a variant with the liquid cooling, not all of them.
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#3
GhostRyder
Well lets hope these turn out to be true, I would love to see what an 8gb water-cooled variant of this card is capable of!

erocker
I'll be quite disappointed if the pricing is true. I mean, if the PC market is stagnant (which it is), throwing a 200 dollar markup on their top tier cards is probably not the way to go.
Also, with the factory cooling it seems like there will be a variant with the liquid cooling, not all of them.
Indeed, I don't want to see a $700 dollar price point.
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#4
NC37
Been noticing a lot of GPUs relisting themselves as DX12 from 11.2 or 11.1. Now this is listing something else. Is it just assumed that DX11.1 or 2 are automatically DX12 chips?

Price is high, but I only hope they'll drop all the prices to clear out old inventory. Maybe force nVidia to drop as well.
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#6
64K
" WCE (water-cooled edition) variant, which comes with an AIO liquid-cooling solution, which lets it throw everything else out of the window in psychotic and murderous pursuit of performance."

That's what I want to hear! Flagship GPUs should be like this.
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#8
Caring1
Wow, you guys are whinging about the alleged $700 price point, but that is $1,000 (roughly) when converted to our currency, and I can't see the base 390X selling for less than $1,200 here, the Liquid cooled version will most likely be around $1,500 once converted to Aussie dollars.
The cheapest new 290X is still $500 here.
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#10
the54thvoid
If I can get a single gpu that performs at 1.6x the speed of a 290X (or 1.5X GTX 980) and only consumes 250-300W, I'll be quite happy. It won't touch my 780ti sli performance but at 8Gb (or 12GB) memory it'll fly at 1440p ultra settings.
Now, what really matters to me is that the after market water blocks and component make up allow for noise free (and I mean coil whine) gaming.
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#11
lukesky
the54thvoid
If I can get a single gpu that performs at 1.6x the speed of a 290X (or 1.5X GTX 980) and only consumes 250-300W, I'll be quite happy. It won't touch my 780ti sli performance but at 8Gb (or 12GB) memory it'll fly at 1440p ultra settings.
Now, what really matters to me is that the after market water blocks and component make up allow for noise free (and I mean coil whine) gaming.
Reference AMD cards 99% of time do not have coil whine. Coil whine is a lot more prevalent in aftermarket PCB like the GTX 970s, Radeon 7950s.
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#12
Cheeseball
lukesky
Reference AMD cards 99% of time do not have coil whine. Coil whine is a lot more prevalent in aftermarket PCB like the GTX 970s, Radeon 7950s.
I can attest to this. My HD 7970 with a custom PCB (PowerColor) exhibits coil-whine but my other HD 7970 with the reference PCB (taken from a Dell) does not. Both are overclocked at 1,200 MHz core.

The 7870 XT (Tahiti LE) has a stock HD 7950/7970 PCB and does not exhibit coil-whine. I have this overclocked at 1,250 core.
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#13
arbiter
荷兰大母猪
Looks much more powerful than Titan X
can't tell that based on worthless graph's that show Nothing.

the54thvoid
If I can get a single gpu that performs at 1.6x the speed of a 290X (or 1.5X GTX 980) and only consumes 250-300W, I'll be quite happy. It won't touch my 780ti sli performance but at 8Gb (or 12GB) memory it'll fly at 1440p ultra settings.
Now, what really matters to me is that the after market water blocks and component make up allow for noise free (and I mean coil whine) gaming.
AMD never posted specs for TDP, tring to post specs of power plugs gives general TDP won't work. If you look at History AMD used on 2x8pin on a 295x2 and that thing draws from 500-600watts.
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#14
the54thvoid
lukesky
Reference AMD cards 99% of time do not have coil whine. Coil whine is a lot more prevalent in aftermarket PCB like the GTX 970s, Radeon 7950s.
I'd suggest the percentage of cards (all brands) that have coil whine is way higher than 1%. Neither my Titan or 780Ti's have it bad but it's there. Under water, all noises seem more prevalent. My 7970's had it. The powercolor LCS was so bad I RMA'd the first one and the replacement was not much better. My MSI 7970 had less whine but was still there.
I know the 970's have had some issues with whine as well. My point is, a nicely built card minimises coil whine but I assure you, it's far more common than the percentage you're stating, it's just a nuisance to varying degrees to different people. Both Nvidia cards and AMD cards get it.

Judging by all the pre-leaks, the 390X looks to be the card AMD have sorely needed. Even if the leaks are lies, it's enough to stop me buying a Titan X until I see the 390X. But if the 390X with 8Gb (and 2 8pin power connectors) is as much as a 12Gb Titan X, it will be a hard call.
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#15
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
"Up To 1,050MHz"

That translates to "the card will overheat and throttle just like the 290x, but it will last long enough for benchmarks to finish so the reviews look better".
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#16
the54thvoid
newtekie1
"Up To 1,050MHz"

That translates to "the card will overheat and throttle just like the 290x, but it will last long enough for benchmarks to finish so the reviews look better".
I know you jest but given the furore over the thermal throttling of the 290(X), I don't think AMD would cock that up again. Much like Titan X will have a full 12GB memory, not 11.5GB.
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#17
arbiter
newtekie1
"Up To 1,050MHz"

That translates to "the card will overheat and throttle just like the 290x, but it will last long enough for benchmarks to finish so the reviews look better".
yea if AMD does that again, would be bad for them. Most review sites noticed that and adjusted their benchmarking of the card to heat the card operating temp and results after that were used.

the54thvoid
I know you jest but given the furore over the thermal throttling of the 290(X), I don't think AMD would cock that up again.
If AMD decided to even spend money to making a cooler worth a damn this time instead of throwing a 2 generation old cooler on it again.
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#18
ZoneDymo
They really need to stop making graphs like that last one.
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#19
Xzibit
Price wise its going to be north of $550 GTX 980 base prices. A $200 premium will put it into $750. No word on a 390 so that could be a starting point for a 390 and the 390X & WCE filling up to 1k price tags.

I think it all depends on how aggressive Nvidia is with Titan X pricing.
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#20
Vinska
For some reason, I don't see people b**ching about the price of TITAN-X nearly as much as people b**ch about the price of R9 390X, despite TITAN-X looking noticeably slower [on paper] and costing a LOT more.
Double standards FTW.
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#21
arbiter
Vinska
For some reason, I don't see people b**ching about the price of TITAN-X nearly as much as people b**ch about the price of R9 390X, despite TITAN-X looking noticeably slower [on paper] and costing a LOT more.
Double standards FTW.
Someone said rumored price of 700$ for 390x, if that is price of a 4gb version. the 8gb version probably would be around 900$ mark so you are right about double standard. That is just a guess price wise for 8gb one since memory is New don't know what kinda premium it will add on it, could be even more then that. 290x 4gb vs 8gb cards have 120$ premium and that is using memory that is well supplied.
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#22
HumanSmoke
Well, Titan X draws near and AMD flood the interwebz via leaks with 390X details, specs, and pricing. Can't say I'm surprised that the benchmarks are as high as the price.
HumanSmoke
Orchestrated leaks that offer plausible deniability have been SOP for both AMD and Nvidia for years. The problem this time for AMD is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If AMD talk up their unreleased parts too much, people will balk at buying their current line-up if they think the new cards are imminent and AMD has to eat a sizeable write down of inventory. If the company don't provide some kind of spoiler, then consumers will assume that AMD's cards are too late and buy Nvidia. A reasonable course of action would be leak not only performance but a price that still makes the current lineup attractive.
$700+ isn't going to deter people from buying the current line-up.
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#23
64K
Vinska
For some reason, I don't see people b**ching about the price of TITAN-X nearly as much as people b**ch about the price of R9 390X, despite TITAN-X looking noticeably slower [on paper] and costing a LOT more.
Double standards FTW.
I'm sorry Vinska to tell you this but it's because AMD buyers want something for nothing and it's killing AMD. They want a top tier GPU but they don't want to pay for the research and engineering costs that made it possible in the first place.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/stockdetails/fi-126.1.AMD.NAS?symbol=AMD&form=PRFISB

AMD Net Profit Margin % -7.32

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/stockdetails/fi-126.1.NVDA.NAS

Nvidia Net Profit Margin % +12.77

AMD has charged too little for their chips for too long and it may very well bankrupt them if they don't stop it.
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#24
erocker
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Vinska
For some reason, I don't see people b**ching about the price of TITAN-X nearly as much as people b**ch about the price of R9 390X, despite TITAN-X looking noticeably slower [on paper] and costing a LOT more.
Double standards FTW.
I hate Nvidia's pricing structure.

I hope that helps. :)
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#25
arbiter
HumanSmoke
$700+ isn't going to deter people from buying the current line-up.
If that 700$ is price of 4gb card i am pretty sure that will since for that price a 4gb card is kinda pointless.

64K
AMD has charged too little for their chips for too long and it may very well bankrupt them if they don't stop it.
Yea they have been also playing standards game lately claiming stuff should be standard of open source. They want stuff for free cause they can't afford to make it themselves.
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