Monday, March 20th 2017

AMD's Upcoming RX 500 Rebrands to use LPP Process - Higher Clocks, Lower Power

AMD's upcoming RX 500 series of graphics cards is not going to set the world on fire with its feature-set. Essentially rebrands of AMD's mainstream Polaris GPUs used in current-generation RX 400 series, these have recently seen a slight delay on its time to market - now set at April 18th.

While architecture-level adjustments to this new series of cards so as to improve performance seem to be off the table, AMD is apparently looking to take advantage of manufacturing maturing and process improvements. The original Polaris 11 and Polaris 10 chips were manufactured using the Low Power Early (LPE) process, which looks to balance availability, yields, and time-to-market with performance and power. New reports peg the new dies to carry the Polaris 21 and Polaris 20 monikers, and will feature higher clocks on account of the new Low Power Performance (LPP) process.
As to the higher clocks, these apparently are only responsible for bridging the gap between the RX 480's reference and custom boards. The RX 580 will reportedly carry a 1340 MHz clock (74 MHz more than the reference RX 480), with the RX 570 carrying a much less significant 38 MHz increase over its RX 470 counterpart. The Radeon RX 560 will apparently make do with a clock speed of 1287 MHz.

These clock improvements only go so far as to allow AMD to claim a measure of increased performance comparing to their previous-generation, same architecture, one-year-old graphics cards. Vega is the only product from the company which will have some semblance of originality. A shame AMD didn't adopt some of Vega's refinements to its mainstream graphics cards.Source: BenchLife
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62 Comments on AMD's Upcoming RX 500 Rebrands to use LPP Process - Higher Clocks, Lower Power

#1
Ferrum Master
It will fix the PCIE power issue at last I guess... It needed only a bit.
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#2
Darmok N Jalad
I suppose that at least helps justify the rebrand. It's not as shameless as just changing the name in the BIOS and shipping them out the door. I wonder if the new process will bring about better performance by maintaining higher clocks under more load conditions?
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#3
Ferrum Master
Also nobody has a solid info about the RAM type and speed.
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#4
behrouz
Ferrum Master said:
It will fix the PCIE power issue at last I guess... It needed only a bit.
o_Oo_O Seriously ? So much Fanboy.....
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Ferrum Master
behrouz said:
o_Oo_O Seriously ? So much Fanboy.....
Shove it up. And get your facts straight accusing me of something like that!!!

TPU has many threads where some boards show anomalies because of that. And that's still an issue if it causes such complaints.
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#7
Aldain
Ferrum Master said:
Shove it up. And get your facts straight accusing me of something like that!!!

TPU has many threads where some boards show anomalies because of that. And that's still an issue if it causes such complaints.
It was fixed via software and that problem was only for the reference card not AIB solutions.. do some research before post nonsense
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#8
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Raevenlord said:
The RX 580 will reportedly carry a 1340 MHz clock (74 MHz more than the reference RX 480), with the RX 570 carrying a much less significant 38 MHz increase over its RX 470 counterpart. The Radeon RX 560 will apparently make do with a clock speed of 1287 MHz.
Noooooooooooooo!!!!!! :cry:

Hype lost.
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rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
behrouz said:
o_Oo_O Seriously ? So much Fanboy.....
Seriously? Did you check his GPU in system specs? :rolleyes:

And since when are we not allowed to make comments about a brand without being labeled a fanboy? Some people can actually see things objectively, you know!
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#10
Ferrum Master
rtwjunkie said:
Seriously? Did you check his GPU in system specs? :rolleyes:

And since when are we not allowed to make comments about a brand without being labeled a fanboy? Some people can actually see things objectively, you know!
Thanks. I am currently sitting on nvidia, before I used a trusty 7970.

But truly they don't get it. Okay a software fault... like we casuals here don't know it.

But does not undo the fact that some boards still suffer.
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#11
kruk
Raevenlord said:
The original Polaris 11 and Polaris 10 chips were manufactured using the Low Power Early (LPE) process, which looks to balance availability, yields, and time-to-market with performance and power. New reports peg the new dies to carry the Polaris 21 and Polaris 20 monikers, and will feature higher clocks on account of the new Low Power Performance (LPP) process.
You should really check if this is really true, because I read from several sources that Polaris was already LPP ...

Raevenlord said:
Vega is the only product from the company which will have some semblance of originality. A shame AMD didn't adopt some of Vega's refinements to its mainstream graphics cards.
I disagree, because Polaris 12 is also coming and it's not a rebrand.
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#12
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
Ferrum Master said:
Thanks. I am currently sitting on nvidia, before I used a trusty 7970.

But truly they don't get it. Okay a software fault... like we casuals here don't know it.

But does not undo the fact that some boards still suffer.
I know, right? Just because a hardware failing was fixed by software doesn't mean that a hardware fix shouldn't be implemented. I personally would rather something like a hardware fix that can't accidentally be erased or overwritten.
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#13
TheMailMan78
Big Member
Ferrum Master said:
Shove it up. And get your facts straight accusing me of something like that!!!

TPU has many threads where some boards show anomalies because of that. And that's still an issue if it causes such complaints.
Its pretty funny I got accused of being a fanboy the other day by some new blood. Don't sweat it man.
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#14
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Liviu Cojocaru said:
Re-brands suck!!!
Nv does it aswell.
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#15
illli
I'm ok with this. Say, if they can (hopefully) squeeze 10% more performance out of it, at the same price, while running cooler/less power, I think it could be a good replacement. Maybe not so much for the previous gen owners, but for someone like me who sat on the fence waiting for the first run to mature a bit :p
And if I'm reading correctly 1340 MHz will be reference, so custom cards should be even faster. There is no mention of ram speeds (hopefully that gets a boost as well)
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#16
RejZoR
When someone says "higher clocks" and for new series despite being a rebrand, you think 200+ MHz. Not crappy 74 MHz. You can get this by overclocking RX 480. Or buy one that already comes with such clocks (OC versions). Sorry AMD, but I just don't get it. If RX480 became RX560, that would be a cool rebrand. But just fiddling a bit with RX480 and calling it RX580, that's just garbage. R9 390X back then at least had an excuse to come with 8GB VRAM. And I didn't agree with that one much either.
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#17
ShurikN
RejZoR said:
When someone says "higher clocks" and for new series despite being a rebrand, you think 200+ MHz. Not crappy 74 MHz. You can get this by overclocking RX 480. Or buy one that already comes with such clocks (OC versions). Sorry AMD, but I just don't get it. If RX480 became RX560, that would be a cool rebrand. But just fiddling a bit with RX480 and calling it RX580, that's just garbage. R9 390X back then at least had an excuse to come with 8GB VRAM. And I didn't agree with that one much either.
Spot on 100%.
Unless this card can reach OC of 1500MHz @ 150W it'll really be a crappy product (compared to a 480)
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#18
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Aldain said:
It was fixed via software and that problem was only for the reference card not AIB solutions.. do some research before post nonsense
It wasn't fixed it was bandaided. The fix would be to release a card that was promised. 95w of total draw, we never saw that.

As an owner I can tell you they draw too much power to run a healthy crossfire setup on most boards.
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#19
bug
Darmok N Jalad said:
I suppose that at least helps justify the rebrand. It's not as shameless as just changing the name in the BIOS and shipping them out the door. I wonder if the new process will bring about better performance by maintaining higher clocks under more load conditions?
Right. Changing the name and a couple frequencies in the BIOS is so much better.

I'd end with a /s, but by now it would be weird for AMD not to have 3 generations of GPU within a single lineup.
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#20
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
bug said:
Right. Changing the name and a couple frequencies in the BIOS is so much better.

I'd end with a /s, but by now it would be weird for AMD not to have 3 generations of GPU within a single lineup.
Like G92!!!
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#21
sutyi
cdawall said:
Like G92!!!
Behold the G92 "lineage". If you scratch the surface hard enough you might find a G92 GPU in a G-Sync monitor near your... lol.
  • 8800GS
  • 8800GT
  • 8800GTS
  • 9600GSO
  • 9800GT
  • 9800GT "Green Edition"
  • 9800GTX
  • 9800GTX+
  • GTS150 OEM only
  • GT230 OEM only
  • GT240 OEM only
  • GTS250
  • GTS250 "Green Edition"
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#22
tvamos
RejZoR said:
When someone says "higher clocks" and for new series despite being a rebrand, you think 200+ MHz. Not crappy 74 MHz. You can get this by overclocking RX 480. Or buy one that already comes with such clocks (OC versions). Sorry AMD, but I just don't get it. If RX480 became RX560, that would be a cool rebrand. But just fiddling a bit with RX480 and calling it RX580, that's just garbage. R9 390X back then at least had an excuse to come with 8GB VRAM. And I didn't agree with that one much either.
AMD is probably do what every owner of Polaris did - undervolt and slight overclock, plus matured process and voila, you get somewhat better perf/watt. Can't really do it this late to 400 series and still call it the same. Hence rx500.
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#23
Darmok N Jalad
bug said:
Right. Changing the name and a couple frequencies in the BIOS is so much better.

I'd end with a /s, but by now it would be weird for AMD not to have 3 generations of GPU within a single lineup.
Personally, if there are physical differences between the products and not just clock changes, then I'd like to know the difference. The pricing will determine where it sits in the food chain.
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#24
sutyi
tvamos said:
AMD is probably do what every owner of Polaris did - undervolt and slight overclock, plus matured process and voila, you get somewhat better perf/watt. Can't really do it this late to 400 series and still call it the same. Hence rx500.
What I would like to see is GDDR5X on the RX 580. :rolleyes:

One can only dream. :p
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#25
behrouz
Ferrum Master said:
Shove it up. And get your facts straight accusing me of something like that!!!

TPU has many threads where some boards show anomalies because of that. And that's still an issue if it causes such complaints.
So according to you , there is still a problem , Still AMD hasn't fixed PCIE power........:rolleyes:
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