Tuesday, March 28th 2017

AMD 16-core Ryzen a Multi-Chip Module of two "Summit Ridge" Dies

With core performance back to competitiveness, AMD is preparing to take on Intel in the HEDT "high-end desktop" segment with a new line of processors that are larger than its current socket AM4 "Summit Ridge," desktop processors, but smaller in core-count than its 32-core "Naples" enterprise processors. These could include 12-core and 16-core parts, and the picture is getting clearer with an exclusive report by Turkish tech publication DonanimHaber. The biggest revelation here that the 12-core and 16-core Ryzen processors will be multi-chip modules (MCMs) of two "Summit Ridge" dies. The 12-core variant will be carved out by disabling 1 core per CCX (3+3+3+3).

Another revelation is that the 12-core and 16-core Ryzen processors will be built in a new LGA package with pin-counts in excess of 4,000 pins. Since it's an MCM of two "Summit Ridge" dies, the memory bus width and PCIe lanes will be doubled. The chip will feature a quad-channel DDR4 memory interface, and will have a total of 58 PCI-Express gen 3.0 lanes (only one of the two dies will put out the PCI-Express 3.0 x4 A-Link chipset bus). The increase in core count isn't coming with a decrease in clock speeds. The 12-core variant will hence likely have its TDP rated at 140W, and the 16-core variant at 180W. AMD is expected to unveil these chips at the 2017 Computex expo in Taipei, this June, with product launches following shortly after.

Source: DonanimHaber (YouTube)
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62 Comments on AMD 16-core Ryzen a Multi-Chip Module of two "Summit Ridge" Dies

#1
pantherx12
I've started saving my pennies for that 16 core model.


Mmm, more cores means more chrome tabs!
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#2
P4-630
The Way It's Meant to be Played
pantherx12 said:
Mmm, more cores means more chrome tabs!
And add to that more ram then....:p

How many tabs you need lol! :p
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#3
bug
Not bad, but InfinityFabric will become even more interesting while connecting two chips with two CCXes each. Bring it on!
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#4
PerfectWave
Finally decent mobo that can compete with x99. Tbh the only problem of ryzen are mobo. i dont get why ppl buy ryzen for playing at 1080p. Really a waste.
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#5
pantherx12
P4-630 said:
And add to that more ram then....:p

How many tabs you need lol! :p
depends on what I'm doing but if I'm on ebay/baragain hunting I can easily end up in the hundreds.

Not that any decently modern computer would struggle with that many Ebay tabs.

Still though, 16 cores!

I could render a video whilst rendering a video whilst live streaming a game if I wanted XD
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#6
ratirt
PerfectWave said:
Finally decent mobo that can compete with x99. Tbh the only problem of ryzen are mobo. i dont get why ppl buy ryzen for playing at 1080p. Really a waste.
I agree with that statement. 2k and up is just a must for Ryzens.
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#7
Adrn_Alx
I don't understand why it needs 4.000 pins... AM4 have some pins for video (not the case for 16 core Ryzen) and even having quad channel memory and double the number of PCI-E lines is strange to have 3 times the number of pins than a AM4 Ryzen...
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#8
1rishPredator
It will be interesting to see how quad channel memory affects performance with Ryzen. I would've liked to see the Ryzen R7 line up have quad channel memory support.

Hopefully there will some boards that will have more than 2 x M.2 slots. I want to just run M.2 SSD's. Much faster and less cables.
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#9
Ferrum Master
Adrn_Alx said:
I don't understand why it needs 4.000 pins... AM4 have some pins for video (not the case for 16 core Ryzen) and even having quad channel memory and double the number of PCI-E lines is strange to have 3 times the number of pins than a AM4 Ryzen...
Needs more current. You cannot have only one THICK pin. Power distributions for each cluster size to simple out the substrate.
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#10
Solidstate89
I really hope nobody buys these for gaming. These'll really only be useful for highly multi-threaded tasks that aren't affected by the big latency there's going to be there with that many CCX's communicating with each other through the Infinity Fabric. Not to mention how much lower the clock speeds look from the other leaks we've all seen.

It'll make for a pretty impressive workstation though.
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#11
Adrn_Alx
Ferrum Master said:
Needs more current. You cannot have only one THICK pin. Power distributions for each cluster size to simple out the substrate.
Of course it will need more current, but 2662 (2x AM4) pins would be enough (double power, double PCI-E lines, quad channel, minus pins for video signal, wich can be used for power supply also).
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#12
ratirt
Adrn_Alx said:
Of course it will need more current, but 2662 (2x AM4) pins would be enough (double power, double PCI-E lines, quad channel, minus pins for video signal, wich can be used for power supply also).
apparently 2662 pins won't be enough since AMD is releasing 4k pins.
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#13
Aenra
PerfectWave said:
I dont get why ppl buy ryzen for playing at 1080p. Really a waste.
I don't get how "consumers" with your kind of thinking ended up affecting an entire market and much to everyone else's detriment.
But affect it they have...

Ergo? Choices & consequences. To each their own friend, why not leave it at that :)
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#14
ERazer
love me some more cores but gotta wait till it matures a bit
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#16
HopelesslyFaithful
PerfectWave said:
Finally decent mobo that can compete with x99. Tbh the only problem of ryzen are mobo. i dont get why ppl buy ryzen for playing at 1080p. Really a waste.
ratirt said:
I agree with that statement. 2k and up is just a must for Ryzens.
o_O:laugh::roll::laugh:2K:laugh::roll::laugh::rolleyes:
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#17
bug
PerfectWave said:
Finally decent mobo that can compete with x99. Tbh the only problem of ryzen are mobo. i dont get why ppl buy ryzen for playing at 1080p. Really a waste.
I must have missed something, I was under the impression no motherboard has been "leaked", but a CPU?
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#18
pantherx12
Adrn_Alx said:
I don't understand why it needs 4.000 pins... AM4 have some pins for video (not the case for 16 core Ryzen) and even having quad channel memory and double the number of PCI-E lines is strange to have 3 times the number of pins than a AM4 Ryzen...
They have to design the socket so it can incorporate cpus up to 4 years in the future. So by end of socket life time we may be at 7nm and possibly dealing with 32 core chips in one socket. 32 core 64 threads cpu will likely need 4 times as many pins than an 8 core cpu :)

bug said:
I must have missed something, I was under the impression no motherboard has been "leaked", but a CPU?
The motherboards have supposedly leaked as well.

One single socket quad channel memory board with 44pcie lanes.

And the other a dual socket 88 pcie lanes type deal.


I have a feeling the dual socket board will be entry level enterprise and so us regular consumers won't be seeing that.
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#19
Patriot
So bga socket SP4? Snowy Owl?
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#20
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Waits patiently for news on a cpu that is useful to normal people.

In for the higher clocked 8 core chip.
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#21
wiak
bug said:
Not bad, but InfinityFabric will become even more interesting while connecting two chips with two CCXes each. Bring it on!
and vega graphics cards via infinifabric
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#23
bug
wiak said:
and vega graphics cards via infinifabric
InfinityFabric in its current form is already a bottleneck in some scenarios. Not sure why you're eager to add more components to that.
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#24
idx
I get the feeling that few months from now all quad core CPUs will feel like core 2 Duo.

Again as I mentioned before, this is like 2007-2008 intel core 2 Duo vs core 2 Quad drama all over again. We got the same type of "thinking" arguing about how useless the extra cores are and so on.

I just don't get it why some people get so mad at you, if you mention anything about AMD or 8+ cores chip.
The reality is a 4 cores chip will have NO HOPE vs an 8+ cores chip, as soon as applications and games start making good use of them.

Plus... If a 4 cores chip is good enough for someone's use, that doesn't necessarily mean this "someone" should start a war on anyone who say " more than 4 cores ".
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#25
Gasaraki
PerfectWave said:
Finally decent mobo that can compete with x99. Tbh the only problem of ryzen are mobo. i dont get why ppl buy ryzen for playing at 1080p. Really a waste.
Agreed. I haven't run 1080p in like 6 years.

People buying $300+ processors and $150+ motherboards to run a $150 monitor...
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