Wednesday, July 4th 2018

AMD Beats NVIDIA's Performance in the Battlefield V Closed Alpha

A report via PCGamesN points to some... interesting performance positioning when it comes to NVIDIA and AMD offerings. Battlefield V is being developed by DICE in collaboration with NVIDIA, but it seems there's some sand in the gears of performance improvements as of now. I say this because according to the report, AMD's RX 580 8 GB graphics card (the only red GPU to be tested) bests NVIDIA's GTX 1060 6GB... by quite a considerable margin at that.

The performance difference across both 1080p and 1440p scenarios (with Ultra settings) ranges in the 30% mark, and as has been usually the case, AMD's offerings are bettering NVIDIA's when a change of render - to DX12 - is made - AMD's cards teeter between consistency or worsening performance under DX 12, but NVIDIA's GTX 1060 consistently delivers worse performance levels. Perhaps we're witnessing some bits of AMD's old collaboration efforts with DICE? Still, It's too early to cry wolf right now - performance will only likely improve between now and the October 19th release date.
Source: PCGamesN
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191 Comments on AMD Beats NVIDIA's Performance in the Battlefield V Closed Alpha

#1
TheinsanegamerN
Litzner said:
Is this that surprising? I thought it was always pretty common for AMD to beat Nvidia when it come to low level hardware pipelines like DX12 and Vulkan? We have just hardly seen any games built in DX12 or Vulkan.
That was the case originally, but over time more Dx12 games have started favoring Nvidia (because surprise surprise, when one company owns 70+% of the market, you optimize for that OEM first). Battlefield has been favoring AMD for awhile though, since at least Battlefield 4, when Mantle was implemented into the Frostbite engine.

And with so many games either a dead tie or favoring nvidia, news of a game heavily favoring AMD performance wise is pretty unusual.
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#2
Xzibit
Fluffmeister said:
After Vega let them down they need something... anything, if it's a closed alpha of a game months away... i say let them have their win.
Yeah, You tell them!!! Its not like they are gaining market share or anything when they haven't released a new arc to compete with the mighty pascal right ?

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#3
Fluffmeister
Xzibit said:
Yeah, You tell them!!! Its not like they are gaining market share or anything when they haven't released a new arc to compete with the mighty pascal right ?


Chill, when i go fishing, I need to use bait. You're my first bite.
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#4
lynx29
lulz. a rx 580 and a gtx 1060... yawnfest 2018.
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#5
sergionography
I doubt its anything to do with dx12 since AMD performs much better in dx11 as well. AMD in general performs much better than nvidia when a game isn't optimized. its how AMD architectures are designed; to be more general purpose and require less software/driver work. Nvidia on the other hand make streamline designs that heavily rely on their robust driver/software team; in doing so they can also quickly phase out older products to push for more sales on newer products.
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#6
TheGuruStud
AsRock said:
I was just having a dig into nVidia is all. for all we know nVidia might of not done any\many performance tweaks.

In fact the thread is pretty pointless when you think about it.
It's the same engine. What's there to do? Except Nvidia tricks...

Slows news day, I guess lol
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#7
TheinsanegamerN
Xzibit said:
Yeah, You tell them!!! Its not like they are gaining market share or anything when they haven't released a new arc to compete with the mighty pascal right ?


LOLcalmdown.

GPU shipments /= gaming market share. Yes, AMD is selling more cards, but cryptomining made up a huge number of their shipments. If that market falters, like it is starting to do, AMD would be in trouble.

Check out the steam GPU numbers, from a platform that well north of 90% of PC gamers use. While AMD has managed to go from 8.9 to 15% of the GPU market, Nvidia dominates with 74.3% of the market. That means for every AMD user, there are roughly 5 nvidia users. Perhaps even more damning, the 7700 series has more active GPUs then the RX480. A 6 year old low end GPU pair has more users then the 2 year old mid range flagship for AMD. And notice that Vega, a very useful mining chip, is completely absent from the list of active GPUs, suggesting that VEGA56 or 64 cards have less then 0.16% of the market on steam. By comparison, the geforce 1080 has 2.43% of the market, and the 1070 has 3.84%.

AMD shipments are up, as is steam marketshare, but not by nearly as much as you think, and when nvidia dominated 3/4ths of the market, and EVERY SINGLE PASCAL CARD INDIVIDUALLY (with the exception of the late comer 1030) has more active users then the most popular AMD card, and that AMD card is 6 years old, game developers are not going to pay AMD much attention.
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#8
Xzibit
TheinsanegamerN said:
LOLcalmdown.

GPU shipments /= gaming market share. Yes, AMD is selling more cards, but cryptomining made up a huge number of their shipments. If that market falters, like it is starting to do, AMD would be in trouble.

Check out the steam GPU numbers, from a platform that well north of 90% of PC gamers use. While AMD has managed to go from 8.9 to 15% of the GPU market, Nvidia dominates with 74.3% of the market. That means for every AMD user, there are roughly 5 nvidia users. Perhaps even more damning, the 7700 series has more active GPUs then the RX480. A 6 year old low end GPU pair has more users then the 2 year old mid range flagship for AMD. And notice that Vega, a very useful mining chip, is completely absent from the list of active GPUs, suggesting that VEGA56 or 64 cards have less then 0.16% of the market on steam. By comparison, the geforce 1080 has 2.43% of the market, and the 1070 has 3.84%.

AMD shipments are up, as is steam marketshare, but not by nearly as much as you think, and when nvidia dominated 3/4ths of the market, and EVERY SINGLE PASCAL CARD INDIVIDUALLY (with the exception of the late comer 1030) has more active users then the most popular AMD card, and that AMD card is 6 years old, game developers are not going to pay AMD much attention.
Am I not calm? I'm not the one pointing to OPT-IN polls.

Steam Hardware & Software Survey
Participation in the survey is optional, and anonymous.
The numbers I linked to are from JPRs Q1 2018

We've yet to hear 300,000 GPUs being returned to AMD due to mining slow down. If they have, they are better at hiding it then Nvidia

Seeking Alpha: Nvidia Appears To Have A GPU Inventory Problem
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#9
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
AMD has had a perpetual problem of not being able to keep up with demand for the last year. I think JPR reflects that.
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#11
mtcn77
Rationalizations were made.
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#12
ZoneDymo
Blueberries said:
Damn... comparing a 120W card to a 185W card (that's more power draw than a GTX 1080). The bias is real.
Well you compare based on the price they are sold at, the performance matters per price category.
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#14
sergionography
Fierce Guppy said:
Here's another considerable margin. The cheapest GTX 1060 is $399(NZD).

https://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?q=gtx 1060&p=3853855

The cheapest AMD RX 580 is $499(NZD).

https://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?q=rx 580&p=4445327
Lol cash me outside
MSI Radeon RX 580 DirectX 12 RX 580 ARMOR MK2 8G OC 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 Video Card , https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-137-290


EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING, ACX 2.0 (Single Fan), 06G-P4-6161-KR, 6GB GDDR5, DX12 OSD Support (PXOC), Only 6.8 Inches , https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-487-260


In the usa* just noticed the NZD
In other words you are in the wrong country lol. But not gonna hatw because new zealand is freaking awesome
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#15
kastriot
RX 580 8GB MSRP 250$
GTX 1060 6GB MSRP 250$


Soo forget artificial prices made by mining craze :)
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#16
londiste
Performance in alpha? That is still several stages from being a release, this will likely change.
Anyone else wonder why only comparing GTX1060 and RX580? How about 1070/1070Ti/1080/1080Ti/Vega56/Vega64?

DX12 is a red herring. Even RX580 performs worse or at the best same as DX11. At the same time people in reddit/forums are still reporting stuttering in DX12 with both AMD and Nvidia GPUs.

Ultra settings and cards were apparently ASUS ROG Strix versions:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/b4418/asus-rog-strix-rx-580-gaming
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/b4226/asus-rog-strix-gtx-1060-gaming
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#17
Tsukiyomi91
just one game... 1 game where AMD beaten Nvidia made the whole world go mad... really guys... and the game isn't even in it's polished state.
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#18
looniam
that polaris card is ~BF I performance but that pascal . . . well, NV will have 3 game ready and 8 hot fix drivers the first week. :p
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#19
nguyen
Perhaps the RX580 are not rendering something as they should ? this happens all the time when game are in alpha state, hardly newsworthy, or ain't they.
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#21
nemesis.ie
@prnsforum How is it "good news" that it's only one game? It sounds like you want AMD users to have lower performance or at least always be behind NV, how is that good for anyone/the market/card prices etc? Competition is good for us consumers even if you prefer one company over another.

@huguberhart Interesting, it appears AMD cards are even rendering more stuff (snow) while performing better (at the moment).

This also applies to @nguyen's comment, it seems the opposite may be true and the NV cards are maybe not rendering something/as much?

TheinsanegamerN said:


Check out the steam GPU numbers, from a platform that well north of 90% of PC gamers use. While AMD has managed to go from 8.9 to 15% of the GPU market,
By your own numbers that means AMD has nearly doubled their market share for (Steam) gaming then?
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#22
las
HD64G said:
+60-70% in minimum FPS for 580 vs 1060 is very much for a nVidia sponsored game. Crew2 shows good results for AMD vs nVidia also without any driver update from AMD side. Weird times we live in...
Nvidia sponsored maybe, but DICE has been working closely with AMD for years
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#23
PerfectWave
TheinsanegamerN said:
That was the case originally, but over time more Dx12 games have started favoring Nvidia (because surprise surprise, when one company owns 70+% of the market, you optimize for that OEM first). Battlefield has been favoring AMD for awhile though, since at least Battlefield 4, when Mantle was implemented into the Frostbite engine.

And with so many games either a dead tie or favoring nvidia, news of a game heavily favoring AMD performance wise is pretty unusual.
those title u said are not full dx12 title. full dx12 title run better on AMD and thats it

steam survive is bullshit. It asked me when i was runnig steam on my vm machine........... and it ask it randomly so this does not make a lot of sense to me
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#24
londiste
PerfectWave said:
those title u said are not full dx12 title. full dx12 title run better on AMD and thats it
Why would a full DX12 title run better on AMD? The closest we have to full DX12 titles are AOTS and Frostbite-based games (especially Battlefields). They do not seem to have a more noticeable bias than some DX11 games or some earlier DX9 games that do have a native bias to one GPU architecture or another.

AFAIK the only DX12 game that is showing a noticeable and constant boost for DX12 over DX11 is Sniper Elite 4.

From more recent stories: Crew 2 has RX580 beating GTX1060 by a large margin:
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/06/27/crew_2_video_card_performance_iq_preview/4
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#25
MuhammedAbdo
londiste said:
Why would a full DX12 title run better on AMD? The closest we have to full DX12 titles are AOTS and Frostbite-based games (especially Battlefields). They do not seem to have a more noticeable bias than some DX11 games or some earlier DX9 games that do have a native bias to one GPU architecture or another.

AFAIK the only DX12 game that is showing a noticeable and constant boost for DX12 over DX11 is Sniper Elite 4.

From more recent stories: Crew 2 has RX580 beating GTX1060 by a large margin:
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/06/27/crew_2_video_card_performance_iq_preview/4
6 fps difference (13%) is a large margin now?

I can show you a couple of games where the 1060 wipes the floor with the 580, starting with AC:O












Like Forza 7 and Destiny 2 before that, NVIDIA will release a driver that fixes the fps drop. Nothing to worry about mates.
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