Thursday, January 10th 2019

AMD Radeon VII Hands On at CES 2019

While many have watched or at the very least seen our coverage of AMD's live stream at CES 2019, it just can't compare to seeing the latest graphics card from the company up close and personal. Therefore as soon as we had the opportunity, we took a closer look at the AMD Radeon VII and let us just say the reference card is indeed a bit fancy. The shroud itself is made of metal and has a very similar look and feel to the one used on the Radeon RX Vega 64 liquid cooled reference cards. However, instead of using an AIO for this release AMD instead opted for three uniform fans and a massive heatsink. Not only does this make the card more compatible with small form factor systems, it is also less of a hassle to install. Display outputs consist of 3x DisplayPort and 1x HDMI. Sadly AMD did not include a VirtualLink port (USB Type-C) like NVIDIA for VR headsets, which is rather odd considering AMD is also part of the VirtualLink consortium.

Power delivery is handled by two 8-pin PCIe power connectors giving the card access to a theoretical limit of 375-watts which is 75-watts more than its 300-watt TDP. Considering the Radeon VII has the same power level as the Vega 64 it offers 25% more performance at the same power level. Compute unit count falls between the Vega 56 and Vega 64 at precisely 60 CUs. That said, a few missing CUs are of no consequence when you consider how close the Vega 56 performed to the Vega 64 once tweaked. As for clock speeds AMD has stated the Radeon VII will have a 1.8 GHz core clock, while the 16 GB of HBM2 will deliver 1 TB/s of memory bandwidth over the 4096-bit memory interface.
Overall gaming performance is 29% higher according to AMD with the Radeon VII having been tested in 25 titles in order to reach that conclusion. Eight of them were DX12 and two of them Vulkan meaning they used a decent spread of games across multiple APIs. In regards to the games tested they used; Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V, Destiny 2, Doom, F1 2018, Fallout 76, Far Cry 5, Forza Horizon 4, Grand Theft Auto V, Strange Brigade, The Witcher 3, and Monster Hunter World just to name a few. Add that to the information shown in AMD's graphs and it appears it really can beat or at least trade blows with NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2080. However, before jumping to any conclusions we will verify that soon enough once we have a sample in for review. In regards to pricing and availability it was already revealed earlier that AMD's Radeon VII will release at $699 on February 7th and will come bundled with a few games including, Devil May Cry 5, Resident Evil 2 and The Division 2 for a limited time.
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109 Comments on AMD Radeon VII Hands On at CES 2019

#26
Vya Domus
No one believed me when I said Nvidia had just set the price of high end cards for many years to come and that AMD will likely adhere to that as well. Enjoy.
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#27
lynx29
Manu_PT, post: 3973494, member: 168799"
Meh. So thanks to nvidia these are the new prices for gpu line ups:

- mid end 450€/600€
- high end 800€
- enthusiast 1200€

Amd followed this pricing. I am personally out. Bring that PlayStation 5.

Never bought an apple product so I will defo not be paying premium price on pc hardware. I'm done.
I actually have been considering this as well, just retire with my current PC setup or get a budget setup when ryzen 3600x comes out - retire with that, and then all new purchases put on hold until Playstation 5 launches. just do a gamefly subscription - 2 games a month unlimited total for $20 a month, and just retiring from PC gaming, especially the older I get, I prefer couch or lazy boy, and console is just so easy plug and play and relaxing / everything already optimized.

it's cost effective and still will be a ton of fun, and I will waste less time on settings menus lol
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#28
cucker tarlson
Vya Domus, post: 3973503, member: 169281"
No one believed me when I said Nvidia had just set the price of high end cards for many years to come and that AMD will likely adhere to that as well. Enjoy.
everyone knew this except for those who believed RTG was the messiah with a masterplan to bring down nvidia's cards down at half their cost.So literally half of this forum :laugh:
;);)
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#29
M2B
sutyi, post: 3973499, member: 112688"
The price has killed it or it is killing it. 699USD MSRP, you must be trippin'.

GTX 1080 Ti performance at GTX 1080 Ti launch prices 2 years down the line. You can get an RTX 2080 at 699 with less power draw and the option to turn on DXR, regardless how much of a checkbox feature it is at the moment.
Maybe with 8GB framebuffer and 549USD pricetag this would be a great sell, in its current state tho... no bueno.
8GB frame buffer is not possible with its current memory configuration.
They need to cut the bus width and ROP count to half to make this an 8GB card which means significant performance decrease.
A radeon VII with 8GB frame buffer would perform like an overclocked Vega 64.
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#30
londiste
They could use smaller memory stacks but that would not be noticeably cheaper.
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#31
M2B
Vya Domus, post: 3973503, member: 169281"
No one believed me when I said Nvidia had just set the price of high end cards for many years to come and that AMD will likely adhere to that as well. Enjoy.
It has nothing to do with nvidia.
This is only 7% pricier than Fury X at launch which is totally normal, especially when considering the cost of that 16GB of HBM2 memory.
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#32
bajs11
no gamer is giving two shts about HBM
it didn't make Fury and Vega faster than nvidia cards with gddr5
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#33
Pruny
lynx29, post: 3973468, member: 153071"
It would make sense to sell this at $599 and bring it down to 8gb vram or w.e - agreed no one really needs this much
i agree, also they should rename it FURY II
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#34
deemon
Can you buy the AMD own reference card from any retailers or only from AMD own webshop?
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#35
TheGuruStud
Everyone wants prosumer parts for free. Quit dreaming.
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#36
sepheronx
TheGuruStud, post: 3973537, member: 42692"
Everyone wants prosumer parts for free. Quit dreaming.
Not free, but at least affordable.

It is rather ridiculous how prices are so high. Mid range cards selling for $350 USD? Ouch. An entire console costs that much, or $50 more.
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#37
TheGuruStud
sepheronx, post: 3973541, member: 16941"
Not free, but at least affordable.

It is rather ridiculous how prices are so high. Mid range cards selling for $350 USD? Ouch. An entire console costs that much, or $50 more.
There's no margins on this card for AMD or partners. Two stacks of HBM....low yield 7nm... The price is great, but it's not for gamers. I guess they won't bother trying to actually sell a pro card this time.
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#38
lynx29
sepheronx, post: 3973541, member: 16941"
Not free, but at least affordable.

It is rather ridiculous how prices are so high. Mid range cards selling for $350 USD? Ouch. An entire console costs that much, or $50 more.
eh? PS4 regulary goes on sale for $199 for several years now. lol

TheGuruStud, post: 3973537, member: 42692"
Everyone wants prosumer parts for free. Quit dreaming.
no but there is no doubt nvidia is gouging its profit margins on purpose due to no competition. so i fail to see your point. there are margins for nvidia not the makers, sure. those are two diff points.
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#39
TheGuruStud
lynx29, post: 3973545, member: 153071"
eh? PS4 regulary goes on sale for $199 for several years now. lol




no but there is no doubt nvidia is gouging its profit margins on purpose due to no competition. so i fail to see your point. there are margins for nvidia not the makers, sure. those are two diff points.
Nvidia isn't selling a comparable card. They're selling gaming cards, which unfortunately for everyone, Vega was never supposed to be.
Those dummies blew their load on wasting die space and tons of time. Prices were gonna go up, regardless, though. It's the nvidia way.
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#40
siluro818
Why are people expecting a "price disruption" from a card that comes with the most expensive version of the most expensive memory currently in the industry is beyond me...

I would still pick this over the RTX 2080 though. Native 4K looks better than the RTX+DLSS image no matter how insistent Nvidia is to the opposite. High resolution textures just win over ray-traced reflections anytime ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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#41
lynx29
siluro818, post: 3973551, member: 142649"
Why are people expecting a "price disruption" from a card that comes with the most expensive version of the most expensive memory currently in the industry is beyond me...

I would still pick this over the RTX 2080 though. Native 4K looks better than the RTX+DLSS image no matter how insistent Nvidia is to the opposite. High resolution textures just win over ray-traced reflections anytime ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
well we don't have to buy it... and lot of us aren't... Newegg and Amazon have had ton of stock... lol they aren't selling out like the old days for months on end. even before crypto new gpu launches would sell out for a few months. not the case here at all. and nvidias stock is showing it. if nvidias stock declines again in 4 months, you will see price reductions ;)
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#42
PerfectWave
lynx29, post: 3973490, member: 153071"
yep, I imagine when the review embargo lifts we will all be a little underwhelmed, especially at 1080p and 1440p. :/
who is the idiot that buy high end gpu to play at 1080p?
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#43
TheGuruStud
PerfectWave, post: 3973554, member: 165997"
who is the idiot that buy high end gpu to play at 1080p?
Oh, boy, don't go there with the 200 fps zealots LOL.
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#44
londiste
RTX 2080Ti is fairly often CPU limited at 1440p. Occasionally so are RTX2080 and GTX1080Ti, especially when going for high frame rates. I am sure the same will be the case with Radeon VII. Cards at this performance level are far less efficient at 1080p. Just look at the performance summary charts in TPU reviews - high end cards get spaced further apart with resolution increases.
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#45
lynx29
PerfectWave, post: 3973554, member: 165997"
who is the idiot that buy high end gpu to play at 1080p?
me. I really enjoy my 240hz 1080p monitor, the smoothness of FPS games and adventure action games is quite fun when you can hit 180+ fps minimum. unfortunately this requires low settings for most games, so it would be nice not to have to do that.

thanks for calling me an idiot though, have fun, cheers

londiste, post: 3973559, member: 169790"
RTX 2080Ti is fairly often CPU limited at 1440p. Occasionally so are RTX2080 and GTX1080Ti, especially when going for high frame rates. I am sure the same will be the case with Radeon VII. Cards at this performance level are far less efficient at 1080p. Just look at the performance summary charts in TPU reviews - high end cards get spaced further apart with resolution increases.
hmmm 60-70 fps faster than any other card at 1080p the 2080 ti review shows... not for all games, but for a few.
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#46
Aldain
Fatalfury, post: 3973446, member: 177174"
Because of nvidia...they made their reference models amazing
nvidia reference cooler is shit on the RTX series as for the PCB , amd is known for having better ref pcb than nvidia

sutyi, post: 3973499, member: 112688"
The price has killed it or it is killing it. 699USD MSRP, you must be trippin'.

GTX 1080 Ti performance at GTX 1080 Ti launch prices 2 years down the line. You can get an RTX 2080 at 699 with less power draw and the option to turn on DXR, regardless how much of a checkbox feature it is at the moment.
Maybe with 8GB framebuffer and 549USD pricetag this would be a great sell, in its current state tho... no bueno.
Lol so we should buy a 2080 that has a check box feature over vega 2? Just because of that? FFS people , both of those cards are crap , but you have nv to thank for that.
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#47
bug
Manu_PT, post: 3973494, member: 168799"
Meh. So thanks to nvidia these are the new prices for gpu line ups:

- mid end 450€/600€
- high end 800€
- enthusiast 1200€

Amd followed this pricing. I am personally out. Bring that PlayStation 5.

Never bought an apple product so I will defo not be paying premium price on pc hardware. I'm done.
This is a great idea until you realize 20 games later you're already down $1,200 on consoles. And that's assuming you play only titles that don't require a subscription.
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#48
Xzibit
Video of the Radeon 7 being demoed at CES 2019 while playing Div 2 at 4k. They take the side panel off the case and refer to it as "quiet".

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#49
lynx29
bug, post: 3973567, member: 157434"
This is a great idea until you realize 20 games later you're already down $1,200 on consoles. And that's assuming you play only titles that don't require a subscription.
ummm have you never heard of gamefly? they mail you unlimited ps4 or xbox one games for $20 a month, 2x at a time, and as soon as tracking info show its been mailed out they mail you next on your que, and you really can't play more than two games at once anyway if your dedicated to the story or multiplayer, etc.

/shrug but suit yourself thats what im doing. PS5, 4k QLED samsung 55", and gamefly subscription.
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#50
bug
lynx29, post: 3973571, member: 153071"
ummm have you never heard of gamefly? they mail you unlimited ps4 or xbox one games for $20 a month, 2x at a time, and as soon as tracking info show its been mailed out they mail you next on your que, and you really can't play more than two games at once anyway if your dedicated to the story or multiplayer, etc.

/shrug but suit yourself thats what im doing. PS5, 4k QLED samsung 55", and gamefly subscription.
There's no gamefly (that I know of) where I live. I also wasn't trying to tell the guy not to buy a console (if you follow my post, you may have noticed I don't usually tell people how to spend their money), I was just saying why that won't work for me.
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