Thursday, January 10th 2019

AMD Radeon VII Hands On at CES 2019

While many have watched or at the very least seen our coverage of AMD's live stream at CES 2019, it just can't compare to seeing the latest graphics card from the company up close and personal. Therefore as soon as we had the opportunity, we took a closer look at the AMD Radeon VII and let us just say the reference card is indeed a bit fancy. The shroud itself is made of metal and has a very similar look and feel to the one used on the Radeon RX Vega 64 liquid cooled reference cards. However, instead of using an AIO for this release AMD instead opted for three uniform fans and a massive heatsink. Not only does this make the card more compatible with small form factor systems, it is also less of a hassle to install. Display outputs consist of 3x DisplayPort and 1x HDMI. Sadly AMD did not include a VirtualLink port (USB Type-C) like NVIDIA for VR headsets, which is rather odd considering AMD is also part of the VirtualLink consortium.

Power delivery is handled by two 8-pin PCIe power connectors giving the card access to a theoretical limit of 375-watts which is 75-watts more than its 300-watt TDP. Considering the Radeon VII has the same power level as the Vega 64 it offers 25% more performance at the same power level. Compute unit count falls between the Vega 56 and Vega 64 at precisely 60 CUs. That said, a few missing CUs are of no consequence when you consider how close the Vega 56 performed to the Vega 64 once tweaked. As for clock speeds AMD has stated the Radeon VII will have a 1.8 GHz core clock, while the 16 GB of HBM2 will deliver 1 TB/s of memory bandwidth over the 4096-bit memory interface.
Overall gaming performance is 29% higher according to AMD with the Radeon VII having been tested in 25 titles in order to reach that conclusion. Eight of them were DX12 and two of them Vulkan meaning they used a decent spread of games across multiple APIs. In regards to the games tested they used; Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V, Destiny 2, Doom, F1 2018, Fallout 76, Far Cry 5, Forza Horizon 4, Grand Theft Auto V, Strange Brigade, The Witcher 3, and Monster Hunter World just to name a few. Add that to the information shown in AMD's graphs and it appears it really can beat or at least trade blows with NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2080. However, before jumping to any conclusions we will verify that soon enough once we have a sample in for review. In regards to pricing and availability it was already revealed earlier that AMD's Radeon VII will release at $699 on February 7th and will come bundled with a few games including, Devil May Cry 5, Resident Evil 2 and The Division 2 for a limited time.
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109 Comments on AMD Radeon VII Hands On at CES 2019

#1
kastriot
Well at least they are fighting at 2 fronts, not easy task but i wish them luck.
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#2
Divide Overflow
That looks like 3xDisplay Port and 1xHDMI.
Nice to see AMD ditch the squirrel cage blower on their reference cards!
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#3
Xzibit
Its a bit surprising how slim the cooler is and sticks to a 2 slot design.

Wonder if Gamers Nexus will do a tear down and comparison on Glue, Screws and tape used vs RTX design
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#4
Fatalfury
Divide Overflow, post: 3973443, member: 69232"
That looks like 3xDisplay Port and 1xHDMI.
Nice to see AMD ditch the squirrel cage blower on their reference cards!
Because of nvidia...they made their reference models amazing
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#5
INSTG8R
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Xzibit, post: 3973445, member: 105152"
Its a bit surprising how slim the cooler is and sticks to a 2 slot design.
Yeah my V64 Nitro+ is an absolute behemoth... so this reference design is quite impressive in that regard. My previous Tri-X Fury next to Nitro....
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#6
crazyeyesreaper
Chief Broken Rig
Divide Overflow, post: 3973443, member: 69232"
That looks like 3xDisplay Port and 1xHDMI.
Nice to see AMD ditch the squirrel cage blower on their reference cards!
Yeah typo been a long day.
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#7
lynx29
so performance wise this needs to go to toe to toe with a rtx 2080 across the board, min, max, avg. - i had a chance to buy a rtx 2080 for $599 free ship no tax with ebays site wide promo i backed out at last second then 5 mins later it was sold out. i have some regrets. and something tells me this $700 card won't even beat the 2080. dangit. shoulda went with my gut instinct and just bought the 2080
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#8
TesterAnon
Sadly AMD did not include a VirtualLink port (USB Type-C) like NVIDIA for VR headsets, which is rather odd considering AMD is also part of the VirtualLink consortium.
If they did they would have to increase the power requirements which would make the card sound worse when its already using 2 8pin connectors.
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#9
Camm
This strikes me more as a creator card than a card you'd pick up to play games.

Sure, the 2080 performance is good, but that nice fat 16GB of VRAM buffer and AMD's traditionally strong compute units makes it much tastier for other workloads than gaming.
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#10
Zubasa
Camm, post: 3973460, member: 110377"
This strikes me more as a creator card than a card you'd pick up to play games.

Sure, the 2080 performance is good, but that nice fat 16GB of VRAM buffer and AMD's traditionally strong compute units makes it much tastier for other workloads than gaming.
That would require a creator that doesn't use CUDA or use RTX which is actually useful for some creators instead of gaming.
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#11
lynx29
It would make sense to sell this at $599 and bring it down to 8gb vram or w.e - agreed no one really needs this much
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#12
toyo
100% disappointment, and 700$ worth of salt for me. Hoped for some GPU prices disruption, it's clear there's not gonna be any.
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#13
cucker tarlson
3840sp at 1.8GHz but still needs 300W,this is objectively disappointing. I think everyone was hoping for a full 4096sp die and 2GHz. But IMO this is better than no AMD competitor for 2080 at all.
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#14
Zubasa
cucker tarlson, post: 3973480, member: 173472"
3840sp at 1.8GHz but still needs 300W,this is objectively disappointing. I think everyone was hoping for a full 4096sp die and 2GHz. But IMO this is better than no AMD competitor for 2080 at all.
TBH I rather they cut a few more CUs and clock the card higher or lower power consumption.
Vega being so Geometry limited doesn't really ultilize all those steam processors, Vega 56 is pretty much on-par with 64 clock for clock.
Its basically the same issue with Fury vs Fury X.
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#15
Hugh Mungus
No disruptove pricimg, but at least competitive performance. Remember this is NOT Navi guys, large dies and lots of memory were seemingly required for that performance. Less memory and slightly defective chips will bring prices down a bit and time will too.

Navi and mid-range 7nm are supposed to be the real deals, so this stop-gap SHOULD be bought if you want rtx2080 levels of performance or so and if you want an AMD card, otherwise it's probably worth waitimg for prices to drop and/or real next-gen gpu's (and non-rtx nvidia parts).
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#16
londiste
Overall gaming performance is 29% higher according to AMD with the Radeon VII having been tested in 25 titles in order to reach that conclusion. Eight of them were DX12 and two of them Vulkan meaning they used a decent spread of games across multiple APIs. In regards to the games tested they used; Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Battlefield 1, Battlefield V, Destiny 2, Doom, F1 2018, Fallout 76, Far Cry 5, Forza Horizon 4, Grand Theft Auto V, Strange Brigade, The Witcher 3, and Monster Hunter World just to name a few. Add that to the information shown in AMD's graphs and it appears it really can beat or at least trade blows with NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2080.
And the latest TPU review says:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2060_Founders_Edition/33.html
RTX 2080 performance compared to Vega 64: 38% at 1080p, 42% at 1440p and 46% at 2160p
29% is AMDs own number? I really hope it is not that bad.
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#18
cucker tarlson
29% faster than V64 is not "beats 2080".This is not even beating 1080Ti.
Reason why they showd strange brigade for vulkan is turing would massacre it in wolfenstein and probably beat in DOOM too.
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#19
lynx29
cucker tarlson, post: 3973489, member: 173472"
29% faster than V64 is not "beats 2080".This is not even beating 1080Ti.
Reason why they showd strange brigade for vulkan is turing would massacre it in wolfenstein and probably beat in DOOM too.
yep, I imagine when the review embargo lifts we will all be a little underwhelmed, especially at 1080p and 1440p. :/
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#21
lynx29
cucker tarlson, post: 3973491, member: 173472"
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Grafikkarten-Grafikkarte-97980/Specials/Rangliste-GPU-Grafikchip-Benchmark-1174201/2/

this is updated every month,last update 27th Dec. Across all tests 1080Ti is 33% faster than V64.
I know, I am saying 1080p and 1440p is going to be worse on this card than even they are saying, which is why they only showed 4k benchmarks and bragged about the HBM2 4096 bit bus, etc. It really sucks we have no competition in this market.
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#22
ZoneDymo
Well im excited, I mean I wish the price was a bit lower, because seriously this is that Ferrari vs Volkswagen idea.
Ferrari sells 2 cars a year for a million a piece while Volkswagen sells a 10 million a year for 10.000 a piece.

Volkswagen makes a much higher profit, thats what AMD should do with this, bring out a card that is simply good enough and then price it so damn sharply that everyone who isnt a fanboy would go for that.
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#23
Manu_PT
Meh. So thanks to nvidia these are the new prices for gpu line ups:

- mid end 450€/600€
- high end 800€
- enthusiast 1200€

Amd followed this pricing. I am personally out. Bring that PlayStation 5.

Never bought an apple product so I will defo not be paying premium price on pc hardware. I'm done.
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#24
cucker tarlson
Manu_PT, post: 3973494, member: 168799"
Meh. So thanks to nvidia these are the new prices for gpu line ups:

- mid end 450€/600€
- high end 800€
- enthusiast 1200€

Amd followed this pricing. I am personally out. Bring that PlayStation 5.

Never bought an apple product so I will defo not be paying premium price on pc hardware. I'm done.
nvidia was first to introduce new cards,with rt and dlss features.the ball was on amd's side and they followed that price with a card that matches 1080ti and has none of those new features.
I guess the bubble had to burst at some point, amd is a profit-oriented company. they're releasing a comptitive card,and charging the same as nvidia does,only without the FE premium.
I'll still keep on insisting that this is a good card.It's not a game changer,and it's slightly disappointing when it comes to performance (if can only match 1080ti,we'll see) and price (700 for 1080Ti performance,not very new or exciting) but at least it is there.I thought there was gonna be no 7nm Vega for gamers in Q1 and I was absolutely wrong (though they might've though of it this morning like Huang said :laugh:)
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#25
sutyi
The price has killed it or it is killing it. 699USD MSRP, you must be trippin'.

GTX 1080 Ti performance at GTX 1080 Ti launch prices 2 years down the line. You can get an RTX 2080 at 699 with less power draw and the option to turn on DXR, regardless how much of a checkbox feature it is at the moment.
Maybe with 8GB framebuffer and 549USD pricetag this would be a great sell, in its current state tho... no bueno.
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