So, 5700 is faster than 2060 Super, consumes less power and costs 5% less, but still needs "price fixing" eh? Because of that DXR, that works in less than 1% of the titles and weven where it does, most users disable it on 2060?

Dear AMD, please DO NOT drop prices on already reasonably priced 5700 and 5700XT.
Instead, make attractive bundles for users going all AMD.

Wow I just alluded to this in another post

A price drop BEFORE launch? Looks like the new super cards have worked their magic and done consumers a favour.

medi01So, 5700 is faster than 2060 Super, consumes less power and costs 5% less, but still needs "price fixing" eh? Because of that DXR, that works in less than 1% of the titles and weven where it does, most users disable it on 2060?

Dear AMD, please DO NOT drop prices on already reasonably priced 5700 and 5700XT.
Instead, make attractive bundles for users going all AMD.

5700 is faster than original 2060, but not super. it’s even stated in the article. And where did the power consumption claim come from?

FluffmeisterA price drop BEFORE launch? Looks like the new super cards have worked their magic and done consumers a favour.

Indeed. Amd fans should thank NVIDIA for better priced navi, although it’s still carrying over the lackluster gcn legacy.

The main thing that bugs me with the Navi cards is the single fan blower. They're loud and don't cool effectively. It makes it really hard to justify buying them.

Raendor5700 is faster than original 2060, but not super.

In the leak it is faster then super (as expected).




What was not expected, is that it consumes less power.

Raendorit’s even stated in the article.

Which article?

Raendorlackluster gcn legacy.

Oh, carry on, never mind.

While waiting for reviews is always the sensible thing to do, this sure looks like a promising move. The Navi 10 die isn't huge, and GDDR6 isn't all that expensive, so this should still be a feasible price with decent margins for AMD (certainly better than Nvidia's margins with their gargantuan Turing silicon, even if it's made on a cheaper node), all the while returning some normalcy to the price-performance development in the GPU space (which, to be fair, Nvidia already gave a push in the right direction with the Super cards). Not the biggest cuts by any means, but a welcome one.

I'm still on the fence whether an XT will replace my ageing Fury X or if I'll hold off for a potential 5800-series - I suppse we'll see.

RaendorIndeed. Amd fanboys should thank NVIDIA for better priced navi, although it’s still carrying over the lackluster gcn legacy.

And NVIDIA fans should thank AMD for the SUPER series... Really, it seems like the first time in awhile NVIDIA has done something because of AMD's cards. Probably because this gen has been selling so poorly for NVIDIA. Hopefully with the success of Ryzen, AMD will have the funds to apply more pressure to NVIDIA in the not too distant future.

atavaxThe main thing that bugs me with the Navi cards is the single fan blower. They're loud and don't cool effectively. It makes it really hard to justify buying them.

There shouldn't be a very long wait for partner cards with new coolers - these aren't tricky HBM-equipped cards, so adapting existing dual or triple fan cooler designs should be quite trivial.

@bugs : :D :nutkick:

rtx milking family.

atavaxReally, it seems like the first time in awhile NVIDIA has done something because of AMD's cards.

1070 TI card came out because of Vega-s.

Lol, a few days and RTX 2060S will be back at $350.

medi01Dear AMD, please DO NOT drop prices on already reasonably priced 5700 and 5700XT.
Instead, make attractive bundles for users going all AMD.

Dear AMD, please DROP prices on already reasonably priced 5700 and 5700XT, so that whole market can revert to the times before GPU cryptomining.

IF we can get a card, that is a only a bit below RTX 2070 Super, but priced 20% lower, that is a really good deal.

medi01So, 5700 is faster than 2060 Super, consumes less power and costs 5% less, but still needs "price fixing" eh? Because of that DXR, that works in less than 1% of the titles and weven where it does, most users disable it on 2060?

Dear AMD, please DO NOT drop prices on already reasonably priced 5700 and 5700XT.
Instead, make attractive bundles for users going all AMD.

- 5700 is not faster than 2060 Super
- If they would've kept the current pricing they would be DOA
- There is no reason for Vega owners to upgrade to Navi since they're basically the same performance wise, making Navi already a tough sell.
- Congrats to AMD for these cards tho, they further cannibalized into that abomination that is RVII
- the 5% less power is hardly an advantage seeing that it's 7nm vs nvidia's inferior node, it's still by all means a power-hog, It's still GCN no matter how much lipstick they put on that pig.
- I really hope they let AIB's put custom cooling solutions on NAVI, their reference cards while looking ok-ish are hot and loud


But alas at least there are options for mid-range.... oh wait that's how it was for the past 3 years now... AMD needs to start competing for the high-end asap, they are funneling potential customers to nvidia with each new gen even if they keep saying that the money is in the mid-range that didn't work out so well for RTG since the RX 480 was out, now that Freesync works with nvidia's line-up it's actually even harder for AMD to make a strong selling point. At the end of the day it's RTG's work at it's finest, release a card, the competition is trashing them, price cut.

medi01In the leak it is faster then super (as expected).

What was not expected, is that it consumes less power.

Which article?

Oh, carry on, never mind.

Cherry picking much ?

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I would like to see 5700 perform close to RTX 2070 or 5700XT perform close to Radeon VII, at the end of the days everyone is looking at price to performance first, bundle can come later.

I NoIt's still GCN no matter how much lipstick they put on that pig.

hold on, I thought that AMD stated is not GCN ?!
what's going on ?

ValantarI'm still on the fence whether an XT will replace my ageing Fury X or if I'll hold off for a potential 5800-series - I suppse we'll see.

don't do it man all the cards are suckx, you whant the 750mm navi the arcturus it the future

Manoahold on, I thought that AMD stated is not GCN ?!
what's going on ?

Random dude on a forum said no, what do you mean ? That trumps anything stated by a company, that's how this works.

medi01In the leak it is faster then super (as expected).




What was not expected, is that it consumes less power.

Whatever scumbag place that publishes NDA product reviews, you took this results from, is as trustworthy as their results. 2070 is much, much closer to the performance of 2060super than 2070 super. Every F-ing review, including the ones on TPU, confirms that. Here are actual trustworthy scores from Fire Strike Ultra to get a more accurate idea of the Nvidia performance.
www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-rtx-2060-and-2070-super-review,23.html
Before you spill any further garbage, my last Nvidia card was GTX 280, so don't bother accusing me of fanboyism. The only fanboy here is you.

I No- 5700 is not faster than 2060 Super

We don't know either way. Leaks are leaks (i.e. unreliable), so we really ought to wait that one out. Still, making factual statements ("is"/"isn't") based on a rumor is a bad idea.

I No- If they would've kept the current pricing they would be DOA

Perhaps a bit strongly worded, but the price drop is needed IMO, yes. They priced them to undercut cards that are now either cheaper or discontinued and replaced with 10% faster models.

I No- There is no reason for Vega owners to upgrade to Navi since they're basically the same performance wise, making Navi already a tough sell.

There isn't supposed to be. Vega was launched as a high-end option, this launches as a mid-range option. Equal performance for less money. No upgrade path for Vega yet, but it's coming.

I No- the 5% less power is hardly an advantage seeing that it's 7nm vs nvidia's inferior node, it's still by all means a power-hog, It's still GCN no matter how much lipstick they put on that pig.

The 7nm advantage is definitely notable, but considering the disadvantage AMD has been at on roughly equal nodes, this is nonetheless an improvement (if the leaked numbers are true) - the improvement from 7nm isn't that big. Also, RDNA isn't GCN. People keep parroting that, but it's completely false. There have been plenty of in-depth and detailed explanations of the low-level changes between the two, which are significant. RDNA still supports the GCN ISA, but the architecture works in significantly different ways.

I NoBut alas at least there are options for mid-range.... oh wait that's how it was for the past 3 years now... AMD needs to start competing for the high-end asap, they are funneling potential customers to nvidia with each new gen even if they keep saying that the money is in the mid-range that didn't work out so well for RTG since the RX 480 was out, now that Freesync works with nvidia's line-up it's actually even harder for AMD to make a strong selling point. At the end of the day it's RTG's work at it's finest, release a card, the competition is trashing them, price cut.

The difference is that there's a pretty clear scaling path going forward this time. Vega's improvements over Polaris didn't pan out for gaming (unlike compute), which is why that route stalled - they had still made Vega, a large and expensive die, and had to live with it - scaling up Polaris to 64 CUs (the GCN max) for a marginally cheaper high-end option would have cost way more than it was worth. Polaris 10/20/30 are roughly the same size as Navi 10, which is around half of Vega 10. In other words, there's plenty of room for a larger Navi die above this - and it'll no doubt be coming some place down the road. Launching a higher volume part earlier makes sense economically, even if it lacks the flagship marketing effect of an ultra-high-end option. The changes in RDNA compared to GCN should remove the 64CU max limit, so I wouldn't be surprised if we saw something like an 80CU Navi part within the next year (when 7nm has become a bit cheaper and larger dies have better yields).

Manoahold on, I thought that AMD stated is not GCN ?!
what's going on ?

People regurgitating misleading bullshit. RDNA is significantly changed from GCN, and is not a GCN variant. There's been plenty of in-depth public explanation of this.

I NoI really hope they let AIB's put custom cooling solutions on NAVI, their reference cards while looking ok-ish are hot and loud

That is a strike from your side man. :)
The 7nm is just out. Give it a go bro, don't stamp on it just yet. Let AMD try at least. What's it to you if it fails if you won’t be buying it anyway.
Navi consumes less power than RTX equivalent cards, which means it will run cooler. 5% is not that low if you ask me. We been seeing Intel going year after year for 2-3% performance wise and likes of you would still call it great. Hypocritical from your side a bit.

I never really understood why AMD is always mandated to put a lower price on their cards compared to the equivalent products from Nvidia.

medi01In the leak it is faster then super (as expected).




What was not expected, is that it consumes less power.




Which article?


Oh, carry on, never mind.

In every other leaked game and benchmark from that source, the 2070S is ahead. In vulkan and DX12.

the54thvoid2070S is

2070s eh?

medi01So, 5700 is faster than 2060 Super

jonupspill any further garbage

Dude.
It's not you.
It's nVidia.
You shouldn't feel pain in the butt when reading stuff about it.
Chill.

nguyenI would like to see 5700 perform close to RTX 2070

Because?
It competes with 2060S/non-s, and should perform accordingly.

@Vya Domus

Yeah sure,
hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/131555-the-architecture-behind-amds-rdna-navi-gpus/

It's neither full CGN nor full RDNA (that would be interesting to look at when the new gen is out in 2020).

Vya DomusI never really understood why AMD is always mandated to put a lower price on their cards compared to the equivalent products from Nvidia.

Because they need market share and they don't have a product that can blow the competition out of the water. To put it short if it can't perform better, make sure it's cheaper.

I see too much bla bla bla here. AMD lowered the prices for one reason only. They aren´t as good as people think and will be inferior to Nvidia previously comparable offers. As simple as that. I´m on this industry for almost 2 decades. You can find the excuses you want. Slashing prices on a non released product is never good. See you in 2 days on the reviews.