Thursday, July 25th 2019

Silicon Lottery Starts Selling Binned 3rd Generation AMD Ryzen CPUs

Silicon Lottery, a company specializing in the process called binning which involves testing of CPUs for particular features (overclocking potential in this case), has released its portfolio of 3rd generation of Ryzen CPUs. As of now, they are offering only Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 models, covering Ryzen 7 3700X, 3800X and Ryzen 9 3900X. Ryzen 9 3950X is said to be introduced in September and that is the date Silicon Lottery will reveal the information about overclocking potential of that model and frequencies they have achieved. Mid range Ryzen 5 models should be added at later date as well.
They have achieved the following frequencies at targeted voltage and price:

Ryzen 7 3700X
  • 4.05 GHz @ 1.237 V, $300
  • 4.10 GHz @ 1.25 V, $320
  • 4.15 GHz @ 1.26 V, $340
Ryzen 7 3800X
  • 4.20 GHz @ 1.275 V, $370
  • 4.25 GHz @ 1.287 V, $430
  • 4.30 GHz @ 1.300 V, $610
Ryzen 9 3900X
  • 4.00 GHz @ 1.200 V, $470
  • 4.05 GHz @ 1.212 V, $500
  • 4.10 GHz @ 1.225 V, $530
  • 4.15 GHz @ 1.237 V, $590
  • 4.20 GHz @ 1.25 V, $810
It is interesting to note that Ryzen 9 3900X has achieved better frequencies at lower core Voltage than Ryzen 7 3800X. That is possibly due to better binning AMD does on its side for higher end models. For more information about the current lineup of AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen CPUs, you can check out Silicon Lottery's website.
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92 Comments on Silicon Lottery Starts Selling Binned 3rd Generation AMD Ryzen CPUs

#26
mouacyk
This traditional all-core binning may not be fair to AMD Ryzen, but that is the standard when it comes to overclocking. The low all-core clocks reveal just how AMD had to mix and match CCX's to ensure that every CPU had at least one CCX that could hit the advertised PBO clock (and most haven't yet still.) People might be a little happier if SL played by different rules for Ryzen and did PBO binning per CCX... but then the same people wouldn't pay for the added value anyway, because Ryzen is supposed to be affordable.
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#27
yotano211
Wavetrex, post: 4086809, member: 182738"
When charging more for something made by someone else without adding anything at all, and simply stating - "it costs more because it's better", then it's a scam.
I make lots of money when ever apple comes out with anything new. When the last airpods came out, I bought tons of the wireless charging case version at $249 and would sell them on Craiglist or ebay for $290-320. I didnt scam anyone out of anything, if I was scamming people I wouldnt have shipped anything out and just kept their money.
And yes, I am a registered business located in Oklahoma. Reselling items bought me that boat in the avatar to your left. So instead of complaining about it, do something about it. Start something yourself.
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#28
Metroid
Funny, 3900x is supposed to hit 4.6ghz and silicon lottery is selling

Ryzen 9 3900X
  • 4.00 GHz @ 1.200 V, $470
  • 4.05 GHz @ 1.212 V, $500
  • 4.10 GHz @ 1.225 V, $530
  • 4.15 GHz @ 1.237 V, $590
  • 4.20 GHz @ 1.25 V, $810
Silicon lottery supposed to be selling it at 4.8ghz,5.0ghz or so, not at 4.2ghz hehe, 4.2ghz is 3600 territory hehe, that is also the reason i never bought the 3900x, you dont get what you paid for, with 3600 you get what you paid for and much more.
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#29
yotano211
Metroid, post: 4086915, member: 178915"
Funny, 3900x is supposed to hit 4.6ghz and silicon lottery is selling

Ryzen 9 3900X
  • 4.00 GHz @ 1.200 V, $470
  • 4.05 GHz @ 1.212 V, $500
  • 4.10 GHz @ 1.225 V, $530
  • 4.15 GHz @ 1.237 V, $590
  • 4.20 GHz @ 1.25 V, $810
Silicon lottery supposed to be selling it at 4.8ghz,5.0ghz or so, not at 4.2ghz hehe, 4.2ghz is 3600 territory hehe, that is also the reason i never bought the 3900x, you dont get what you paid for, with 3600 you get what you paid for and much more.
Dude, 4.6ghz is on single core, if you load all cores on all ryzen 2 processors, they will max out at 4.2-4.3.
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#30
mouacyk
yotano211, post: 4086913, member: 103073"
Start something yourself.
Start scalping others.
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#31
yotano211
mouacyk, post: 4086921, member: 128520"
Start scalping others.
I didnt sell tickets, I sold airpods.
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#32
bogami
I'm terrified when I see how they sell us waste parts at current prices. That those worst cut aut of the worst silicone crystal ,full irregularities are separated as it looks in the RYZEN 3000 elements! Which can be done according to the required norms ends in larger TR4 socket processors ! So the RYZEN 3000 series is essentially the sale of waste from production, and the norms that have been announced are not able to bee withstand what was apparent after the constant reduction of work frequencies before the issue ! I got exceptional trust in AMD's attitude towards customers, if you know what I mean ! We are shit for them !, and from this cup they want to make more money a very spicy price for DIE that have not reached the required norms . The way the new series was presented was well thought out tacticall decision in the group of incompetent silicone manufacturers .That all the high-frequency RAMmodels disappeared from the RAM vender list say a lot about the pre-sales tactics . Intel is essentially much cheaper and at its 14 nm still achieves very good results,8 to8 better , due to the quality of silicon !
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#33
EarthDog
yotano211, post: 4086919, member: 103073"
Dude, 4.6ghz is on single core, if you load all cores on all ryzen 2 processors, they will max out at 4.2-4.3.
You've seen one resch 4.6 single core? I havent. These seem to all be having trouble hitting that rated single core boost..m
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#34
R-T-B
mouacyk, post: 4086921, member: 128520"
Start scalping others.
Welcome to capitalism.
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#35
yotano211
EarthDog, post: 4086931, member: 79836"
You've seen one resch 4.6 single core? I havent. These seem to all be having trouble hitting that rated single core boost..m
EarthDog, post: 4086931, member: 79836"
You've seen one resch 4.6 single core? I havent. These seem to all be having trouble hitting that rated single core boost..m
I dont know if it does 4.6 single core, it says on their ads it does.
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#36
EarthDog
yotano211, post: 4086939, member: 103073"
I dont know if it does 4.6 single core, it says on their ads it does.
I just mentioned people are having issues and not seeing this in a lot of cases. ;]
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#37
yotano211
EarthDog, post: 4086940, member: 79836"
I just mentioned people are having issues and not seeing this in a lot of cases. ;]
It might be that since lots of programs now use more than 1 core so it might be hard to show that top rated speed.
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#38
EarthDog
yotano211, post: 4086946, member: 103073"
It might be that since lots of programs now use more than 1 core so it might be hard to show that top rated speed.
If only...

I ran Super Pi, a single threaded application and one core boosted to 4.341 GHz... short of the 4.4 GHz advertised. Even if I set affinity of the application it's still the same. My CPU, and I've heard others complain, has not hit its rated boost clock across 5 motherboards.

Oh, and it didn't stay there, it kept bouncing around...
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#39
Tomgang
Vayra86, post: 4086861, member: 152404"
Those frequencies and voltages needed make it very clear that the silicon lottery is not in our hands nor in SL's anymore.

AMD already builds the cpus around their lottery results. Bottom line, if you want fast Ryzen you buy high core count chips and pay accordingly.
I agreed to that.

Also what would most people prefer. Pay up to 810 usd for a binned 3900X or pay 749 usd for 3950X that amd al ready have binned chiplets with. That choise is not hard for me chose:p
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#40
mouacyk
R-T-B, post: 4086932, member: 41983"
Welcome to capitalism.
Still doesn't excuse the equating of SL to scalpers. It takes equipment, time, and expertise to produce their results, that they also guarantee and warranty.
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#41
64K
mouacyk, post: 4086964, member: 128520"
Still doesn't excuse the equating of SL to scalpers. It takes equipment, time, and expertise to produce their results, that they also guarantee and warranty.
I wonder too how much money Silicon Lottery loses buying CPUs in quantity to sort through and find the guaranteed good overclockers. I doubt they can sell all of the CPUs that didn't overclock well for the same price as they paid for them.
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#42
R-T-B
mouacyk, post: 4086964, member: 128520"
Still doesn't excuse the equating of SL to scalpers. It takes equipment, time, and expertise to produce their results, that they also guarantee and warranty.
It takes time to stand in line for in demand products too.

I don't think either should be considered any more or less than what they are: added value services.

64K, post: 4086967, member: 148270"
I wonder too how much money Silicon Lottery loses buying CPUs in quantity to sort through and find the guaranteed good overclockers. I doubt they can sell all of the CPUs that didn't overclock well for the same price as they paid for them.
the really poor clockers are actually sold via their ebay account, indeed, under retail cost, ie at a loss.
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#43
mouacyk
64K, post: 4086967, member: 148270"
I wonder too how much money Silicon Lottery loses buying CPUs in quantity to sort through and find the guaranteed good overclockers. I doubt they can sell all of the CPUs that didn't overclock well for the same price as they paid for them.
I think we can kind of see that in how they price the above average units. I prefer to stick to my own luck and binning for the fun, but as you can see, they sell very well. Averaged out, from the discounted units to the premium units, they are still ahead due to the good sales (at least for now. )
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#44
EarthDog
R-T-B, post: 4086972, member: 41983"
the really poor clockers are actually sold via their ebay account, indeed, under retail cost, ie at a loss.
I'd imagine they lose money on these, but you also have to remember they do buy in bulk so I would imagine there is some kind of discount on pricing.

Also, for those who think 5 GHz is common 6700K (@Wavetrex) ... take a look at this information and get that internal database updated (Cliff's - 6700K wasn't even TESTED at 5 GHz. 4.9 GHz was 6%). 7700K and 8700K can reach it...9900K = 35%.

https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics
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#45
danbert2000
EarthDog, post: 4086865, member: 79836"
This article also missed the real news for overclockers when they copied it over...

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/silicon-lottery-binned-ryzen-3000,40010.html
That's a really interesting article, thanks for sharing. The takeaway is that they're using lower voltages because AVX2 loads were getting rather hot and they acknowledge users will use higher clocks or voltages, they're carrying these as long as they can pay for labor but they don't expect to make any money on them and want to add Ryzen 2 to their excellent historical binning list, and they see this as the beginning of the end of their company because Intel and AMD will eventually have the binning and on-die technology to boost as far as possible. Silicon lottery is actually saying that people will stop overclocking eventually because of this.

I'm sure no one wants to hear that the OC gravy train is over, but I sort of agree. AMD's tech lets them boost higher than a manual overclock, and their new GPUs overclock like shit, and Nvidia has the OC scanner and the days of 15% overclocks is already over. It's only a matter of time until binning and auto overclocks are perfect, and the only people manually overclocking have to deal with increasingly fewer gains and more instability than the boost mechanisms built into the product.
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#46
Octopuss
Wavetrex, post: 4086900, member: 182738"
On this aspect, yes, they are.

This is basically selling 2nd hand products with manufacturer voided warranty for more than the manufacturer's price.

But the fault is on the buyers, not the sellers... since there is no law against selling 2nd hand stuff commercially.
So whatever, buy away $500 cpus with $1000. It's not my money.
You're out there.
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#47
R-T-B
EarthDog, post: 4086977, member: 79836"
Cliff's - 6700K wasn't even TESTED at 5 GHz. 4.9 GHz was 6%
Indeed, looking at order history looks like I actually had a 4.9Ghz bin that could go higher...
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#48
Vario
yotano211, post: 4086913, member: 103073"
I make lots of money when ever apple comes out with anything new. When the last airpods came out, I bought tons of the wireless charging case version at $249 and would sell them on Craiglist or ebay for $290-320. I didnt scam anyone out of anything, if I was scamming people I wouldnt have shipped anything out and just kept their money.
And yes, I am a registered business located in Oklahoma. Reselling items bought me that boat in the avatar to your left. So instead of complaining about it, do something about it. Start something yourself.
As they say, a "boat is a hole in the water in which to pour money". Better keep that scalp game strong.

bogami, post: 4086930, member: 102090"
I'm terrified when I see how they sell us waste parts at current prices. That those worst cut aut of the worst silicone crystal ,full irregularities are separated as it looks in the RYZEN 3000 elements! Which can be done according to the required norms ends in larger TR4 socket processors ! So the RYZEN 3000 series is essentially the sale of waste from production, and the norms that have been announced are not able to bee withstand what was apparent after the constant reduction of work frequencies before the issue ! I got exceptional trust in AMD's attitude towards customers, if you know what I mean ! We are shit for them !, and from this cup they want to make more money a very spicy price for DIE that have not reached the required norms . The way the new series was presented was well thought out tacticall decision in the group of incompetent silicone manufacturers .That all the high-frequency RAMmodels disappeared from the RAM vender list say a lot about the pre-sales tactics . Intel is essentially much cheaper and at its 14 nm still achieves very good results,8 to8 better , due to the quality of silicon !
Its standard practice among all the semi conductor companies to bin wafers to allocate lower quality to cut down SKU, it creates the pricing structure. Over time usually the yields improve and either the low end SKU can be overclocked or even unlocked, as it comes from better silicon than it was initially allocated for that SKU, or the prices come down on all SKUs, or the clock speeds improve on all SKUs in the following revision.
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#49
E-curbi
Just a few words from my experience with SL since 2015. I’ve owned four binned processors from Siliconlottery.com

Does that mean I believe everyone who owns a computer should purchase a high-binned CPU from SL.

Of course NOT! That would be ridiculous, not to mention silly.

If on the other hand 1) the enthusiast inside of you enjoys overclocking and benching and/or 2) if your business-work-income-livelihood-ability to care for your family, and the ROI-return on investment make it financially worthwhile, factoring in time saved and comfort while working long hours at a stretch, and the quality of work overall as a positive addition. Well, that’s the reasons I would purchase from SL.

I have one work application titled Final Draft 10. When you load it, it idles like any other application, with Intel SpeedStep enabled in bios, the CPU clocks down to about 0.8Ghz or 800Mhz, nothing out of the ordinary. Yet when I begin typing in the application the CPU clocks up to 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, 5.6Ghz whatever is set as the highest single-core or all-core clock speed in bios. Remove your fingertips from the keycaps and low and behold, the CPU drops back down to 800Mhz idle – the workload in Windows 10 task manager all logical processors displayed shows a single-thread at high load while typing, along with 4-5 other threads very slightly loaded - a classic single and slightly threaded application which benefits more from CPU and memory clock speeds (single-core performance vs multicore performance) than a higher number of processor cores.

So, I opted for single-threaded performance for my work rig when choosing a platform CPU-memory-motherboard. Owned the HEDT once briefly a Rampage V Edition 10/6800K X99 chipset and even using an Optane 900P SSD, the sluggishness was vastly apparent vs using an 8700K/Apex X or 8086K/Z390 Dark platform. Also, the 6800K used the quicker Intel ring bus for core to core intercommunication, now Skylake X CPUs use the higher latency Intel mesh bus - even slower, higher latency than the previous Broadwell CPUs.

Some DDR4 Memory Binning as a sidebar:

Recently picked up a Gskill Royal Silver 4600Mhz 18CL dual ddr4 kit. The highest kit on the Z390 Dark motherboard’s QVL and running it at 4400Mhz 17-17-17-34 which feels much zippier and more responsive than the 4600/18 XMP “set and forget” setting in bios.

Even the memory latency test in AIDA 64 Extreme picks up the lower overall system latency, not to be confused with the latency CL value listed on the memory modules themselves.

-at XMP - 4600Mhz CL 18-22-22-42, my AIDA 64 latency bench value is around 41 nanoseconds

-at 4400Mhz CL 17-17-17-34, my AIDA 64 latency bench value is around 37 nanoseconds (screenshots below)

…Anyone with a Z390 Dark and considering a new memory kit PM me and I’ll tell you I began by using the LUUMI Daily OC Preset within the bios as a template and went from there. It’s set up for 9900Ks yet easily adapted to 8700Ks/8086Ks.


Back to the story:

Intel first binned the 8700Ks from the silicon wafers cut mounted and tested. Then Intel binned a second time to pull out the top tier increased the factory single-core base and boost clock and created the 8086Ks. Then SL binned a third time to sort out the highest tier they can test stable using the ROG Hero motherboards. Of course, you can reach higher stable (and not so stable) speeds using any motherboard with an improved VRM section than the Hero boards SL uses as their standardized testing method, be it from Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, ASROCK, or EVGA.
From a personal POV, when I’m really cranking out my thoughts to words at a rapid rate onto electronic paper, well frustration can build if I have to wait for a slow pc to respond, I want the computer to absolutely disappear when I work, and not hinder me in any way. I can lose a train of thought very quickly (I’m like that :laugh:) and NEVER again find it … what was I saying? Creative work lost, I’ll never be able to generate again or deliver to the public. I’ve used noisy and slow pre-built Dells and building your own machine, mine took two years to get to this point, to me it’s so worth the additional effort.

“Sometimes I only lose the caboose in my train of thought” Oh that’s beyond corny and deserves an apology. :roll:

Why do people comment negatively on products or services they have no interest in or cannot gain any benefit from? No product or service is meant to be a perfect match for everyone.

Anywho, here’s some cool photos (below) anyone using the Gskill Silver Royal ddr4 I hope will enjoy, the static blue RGB color is the best aesthetic match for my very “unaesthetic-somewhat ugly” work computer. Lol

But it’s fast, ahh the trade-offs we make in life.

And some benchmark screenshots for anyone who believes Siliconlottery.com is a scam. SL is a real live positive service provider. Binning is a real service for some of us, the CPUs are fun, enjoyable to play with and the time saved using a super-responsive PC for completing work pays for itself. For some of us.

Sorry for the extreme number of screenshots. Only trying to show the wide range of clocks/volts available with a high-binned CPU. You don’t have to run it at the very edge of stability to enjoy the processor, but still it’s fun just to find out how far it will go “only briefly” with a little tweaking. And then I move back into more practical saved profiles in bios and get back to work.

Also, sorry I don’t have much/any to say about AMD’s Matisse launch per this thread, although it does seem AMD’s single-thread performance at 4.4Ghz-4.5Ghz is now equivalent to Intel’s single-thread at 5.0Ghz – So Go AMD! :clap:

This is only my opinion from personal experience, and nothing more than that.

Reply what you want, I won’t be returning or reading the hatred.
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#50
Vayra86
E-curbi, post: 4087046, member: 179827"
Just a few words from my experience with SL since 2015. I’ve owned four binned processors from Siliconlottery.com

Does that mean I believe everyone who owns a computer should purchase a high-binned CPU from SL.

Of course NOT! That would be ridiculous, not to mention silly.

If on the other hand 1) the enthusiast inside of you enjoys overclocking and benching and/or 2) if your business-work-income-livelihood-ability to care for your family, and the ROI-return on investment make it financially worthwhile, factoring in time saved and comfort while working long hours at a stretch, and the quality of work overall as a positive addition. Well, that’s the reasons I would purchase from SL.

I have one work application titled Final Draft 10. When you load it, it idles like any other application, with Intel SpeedStep enabled in bios, the CPU clocks down to about 0.8Ghz or 800Mhz, nothing out of the ordinary. Yet when I begin typing in the application the CPU clocks up to 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, 5.6Ghz whatever is set as the highest single-core or all-core clock speed in bios. Remove your fingertips from the keycaps and low and behold, the CPU drops back down to 800Mhz idle – the workload in Windows 10 task manager all logical processors displayed shows a single-thread at high load while typing, along with 4-5 other threads very slightly loaded - a classic single and slightly threaded application which benefits more from CPU and memory clock speeds (single-core performance vs multicore performance) than a higher number of processor cores.

So, I opted for single-threaded performance for my work rig when choosing a platform CPU-memory-motherboard. Owned the HEDT once briefly a Rampage V Edition 10/6800K X99 chipset and even using an Optane 900P SSD, the sluggishness was vastly apparent vs using an 8700K/Apex X or 8086K/Z390 Dark platform. Also, the 6800K used the quicker Intel ring bus for core to core intercommunication, now Skylake X CPUs use the higher latency Intel mesh bus - even slower, higher latency than the previous Broadwell CPUs.

Some DDR4 Memory Binning as a sidebar:

Recently picked up a Gskill Royal Silver 4600Mhz 18CL dual ddr4 kit. The highest kit on the Z390 Dark motherboard’s QVL and running it at 4400Mhz 17-17-17-34 which feels much zippier and more responsive than the 4600/18 XMP “set and forget” setting in bios.

Even the memory latency test in AIDA 64 Extreme picks up the lower overall system latency, not to be confused with the latency CL value listed on the memory modules themselves.

-at XMP - 4600Mhz CL 18-22-22-42, my AIDA 64 latency bench value is around 41 nanoseconds

-at 4400Mhz CL 17-17-17-34, my AIDA 64 latency bench value is around 37 nanoseconds (screenshots below)

…Anyone with a Z390 Dark and considering a new memory kit PM me and I’ll tell you I began by using the LUUMI Daily OC Preset within the bios as a template and went from there. It’s set up for 9900Ks yet easily adapted to 8700Ks/8086Ks.


Back to the story:

Intel first binned the 8700Ks from the silicon wafers cut mounted and tested. Then Intel binned a second time to pull out the top tier increased the factory single-core base and boost clock and created the 8086Ks. Then SL binned a third time to sort out the highest tier they can test stable using the ROG Hero motherboards. Of course, you can reach higher stable (and not so stable) speeds using any motherboard with an improved VRM section than the Hero boards SL uses as their standardized testing method, be it from Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, ASROCK, or EVGA.
From a personal POV, when I’m really cranking out my thoughts to words at a rapid rate onto electronic paper, well frustration can build if I have to wait for a slow pc to respond, I want the computer to absolutely disappear when I work, and not hinder me in any way. I can lose a train of thought very quickly (I’m like that :laugh:) and NEVER again find it … what was I saying? Creative work lost, I’ll never be able to generate again or deliver to the public. I’ve used noisy and slow pre-built Dells and building your own machine, mine took two years to get to this point, to me it’s so worth the additional effort.

“Sometimes I only lose the caboose in my train of thought” Oh that’s beyond corny and deserves an apology. :roll:

Why do people comment negatively on products or services they have no interest in or cannot gain any benefit from? No product or service is meant to be a perfect match for everyone.

Anywho, here’s some cool photos (below) anyone using the Gskill Silver Royal ddr4 I hope will enjoy, the static blue RGB color is the best aesthetic match for my very “unaesthetic-somewhat ugly” work computer. Lol

But it’s fast, ahh the trade-offs we make in life.

And some benchmark screenshots for anyone who believes Siliconlottery.com is a scam. SL is a real live positive service provider. Binning is a real service for some of us, the CPUs are fun, enjoyable to play with and the time saved using a super-responsive PC for completing work pays for itself. For some of us.

Sorry for the extreme number of screenshots. Only trying to show the wide range of clocks/volts available with a high-binned CPU. You don’t have to run it at the very edge of stability to enjoy the processor, but still it’s fun just to find out how far it will go “only briefly” with a little tweaking. And then I move back into more practical saved profiles in bios and get back to work.

Also, sorry I don’t have much/any to say about AMD’s Matisse launch per this thread, although it does seem AMD’s single-thread performance at 4.4Ghz-4.5Ghz is now equivalent to Intel’s single-thread at 5.0Ghz – So Go AMD! :clap:

This is only my opinion from personal experience, and nothing more than that.

Reply what you want, I won’t be returning or reading the hatred.
That is an impressive OC, well played sir.
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