Monday, September 16th 2019

AMD Readies the Low-Power "Dali" APU for Thin-and-Light Notebooks

AMD is expected to bring back its low-power APU family in 2020 with the new "Dali" silicon. Updated company roadmap slides see the inclusion of "Dali" as a "value mobile APU," positioned under "Renoir," a performance APU targeting both the mainstream notebook and desktop (socket AM4) platforms. AMD looks keen to branch out its APU business in two directions.

"Renoir" is expected to be a "Zen 2" based APU with CPU performance matching at least the Ryzen 5 3600 or 3700X, and a faster "Vega" based iGPU. It wouldn't surprise us if "Dali" is a monolithic 7 nm die with two "Zen 2" CPU cores and a tiny iGPU with 3-4 compute units. "Renoir," on the other hand, could be an MCM with an 8-core "Zen 2" chiplet and an enlarged I/O controller die that has the iGPU. "Dali" could see the light of the day only in 2020, by which time TSMC could substantially increase its 7 nm volumes and clear the decks for its new 7 nm EUV mass-production.
Source: Guru3D
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8 Comments on AMD Readies the Low-Power "Dali" APU for Thin-and-Light Notebooks

#1
jabbadap
Uhm not so sure about this. I would think Renoir will be successor/replacement of Picasso, which is the chip on all current 3000 series apus. Dali could be answer to Intel Y -series sub 10W SOCs, which AMD currently lacks.
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Vayra86
So just a quick reminder.

This is what your future mobile CPU has under the hood

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#3
T1beriu
"Renoir" is expected to be a "Zen 2" based APU with CPU performance matching at least the Ryzen 5 3600 or 3700X,
No chance Renoir is a 6 or 8-core APU. All the leaks point to a quad core.
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Hardware Geek
T1beriu, post: 4117409, member: 164497"
No chance Renoir is a 6 or 8-core APU. All the leaks point to a quad core.
I expect they will release a quad core variant of the APU and add 6 and 8 core options as yields improve and production volume increases.
Considering they are positioning the 6 core 3600 as the new mainstream for desktop processors, it would make sense to offer multiple variants at different price points.
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#6
Xajel
T1beriu, post: 4117409, member: 164497"
No chance Renoir is a 6 or 8-core APU. All the leaks point to a quad core.
Where are those leaks? I never saw any leak with a mention for core count.

But, really, an APU now needs to scale from 4 cores to 6 & 8 cores, with AMD's current APU's one of the major complaint was lack of anything more than 4C. Intel now have 6C for a while (8th gen) and 6 & 8C mobile chips in their latest 9th gen. while AMD has nothing to compete with.

So, we really need 6 & 8 cores for high-end mobile APU's and Desktop APU's, mobile APU's should have cTDP of 35W-45W. While desktop APU's could scale even higher to 65W and maybe more.

AMD started to increase the core count on the desktop and they're leading in that market but they couldn't do it in the mobile, now Intel is leading in the mobile.
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king of swag187
Intel's 4c APU's with Iris Pro are ~28W, so doubling the cores lets say 47W like ye old haswell i7's for 8c Iris pro models.
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Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
AM1 finally getting some love? :laugh:
jabbadap, post: 4117252, member: 148195"
Uhm not so sure about this. I would think Renoir will be successor/replacement of Picasso, which is the chip on all current 3000 series apus. Dali could be answer to Intel Y -series sub 10W SOCs, which AMD currently lacks.
^ This.
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