Monday, October 7th 2019

AMD Introduces Radeon RX 5500 Series Graphics Cards

Today, AMD announced the Radeon RX 5500 series graphics products, harnessing groundbreaking RDNA gaming architecture to deliver the ultimate in high-performance, high-fidelity 1080p gaming. The AMD Radeon RX 5500 series includes the Radeon RX 5500 graphics card that will be available in desktop PCs from leading manufacturers and graphics cards from board partners, as well as the Radeon RX 5500M GPU for notebook PCs. Top system providers worldwide are embracing the new products, with HP and Lenovo planning to offer Radeon RX 5500 graphics cards in their high performance desktop gaming PCs beginning this November, and Acer planning to offer systems with the cards beginning this December. In addition, later this month MSI is expected to launch the world's first gaming notebook powered by AMD Ryzen processors and Radeon RX 5500M GPUs.

"Based on feedback and insights from global gaming communities, gamers rank graphics as the most critical component for speed and performance," said Johnson Jia, senior vice president and general manager, Consumer Business of Intelligent Devices Group, Lenovo. "That's why the Lenovo Legion T730 and T530 gaming towers and the IdeaCentre T540 Gaming desktop pack in AMD's latest Radeon RX graphics - satisfying players' need for high-fidelity visuals and lightning-fast frame-rates to fully immerse into their gameplay." "MSI Alpha 15 is a new chapter for us, and we're excited to partner with AMD to combine the latest 7 nm technology found in the Radeon RX 5500M GPU and MSI's gaming DNA for our gamers," said Charles Chiang, CEO of MSI.
With the newest additions to the Radeon family, AMD is bringing its advanced RDNA gaming architecture and industry-leading 7 nm process technology to legions of mainstream gamers worldwide in exciting new form factors and systems. Powered by RDNA, the Radeon RX 5500 provides up to 1.6X higher gaming performance-per-watt than current Radeon graphics cards based on the Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture.

The AMD Radeon RX 5500 series was built from the ground up to deliver incredible 1080p gaming, high-fidelity visuals and ultra-responsive gameplay. Optimized to deliver incredible experiences on the hottest games, the Radeon RX 5500 graphics card provides up to 37 percent faster performance on average than the competitive product in select titles at 1080p1. For mobile gaming, a laptop configured with the Radeon RX 5500M GPU provides up to 30 percent faster performance on average than the competition, and delivers up to 60+ FPS in select AAA titles and up to 90+ FPS in select eSports games.

"It's been incredible to see the response to our RDNA architecture from gamers worldwide, and now we're bringing the same high-framerate, dynamic gameplay and advanced features to 1080p gaming with the Radeon RX 5500 series," said Scott Herkelman, corporate vice president and general manager, Radeon Technologies Group at AMD. "AMD is committed to delivering incredible gaming experiences to all gamers across all price-points. Whether fighting the Calypso twins in Borderlands 3 or battling to take back Auroa in Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Breakpoint, the Radeon RX 5500 series allows every gamer to feel fully immersed and lose themselves in these beautiful and complex worlds."

Built on industry-leading 7 nm process technology and supporting high-bandwidth PCIe 4.0 technology, the new AMD Radeon products take advantage of powerful features to bring 1080p gameplay to the next level, including:
  • Radeon Image Sharpening (RIS) - Brings crispness and clarity to in-game visuals that have been softened by upscaling and post-process effects in DirectX 9, 12 and Vulkan titles. When paired with Radeon GPU upscaling, RIS enables sharp visuals and fluid frame rates on high-resolution displays.
  • AMD FidelityFX - Offers an open-source toolkit for game developers to add high-quality post-process effects to help make games look beautiful while offering the optimal balance of visual fidelity and performance. Available on GPUOpen, FidelityFX features Contrast-Adaptive Sharpening (CAS), which draws out detail in low-contrast areas while minimizing artifacts caused by typical image sharpening routines.
  • Radeon Anti-Lag - Anti-Lag significantly decreases input-to-display response times, including making Borderlands 3 up to 23 percent more responsive with Radeon RX 5500 series graphics and offering a competitive edge in gameplay.
  • Largest gaming display ecosystem - With over 950 supported monitors to choose from, gamers can enjoy stutter-free, tear-free gameplay with AMD Radeon FreeSync and Radeon FreeSync 2 HDR technology.
AMD Radeon 'Raise the Game' Bundle
The new Radeon RX 5500 series are included in the latest AMD Radeon Raise the Game bundle, offering gamers their choice of Borderlands 3 or Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Breakpoint with the purchase of eligible pre-configured desktop and notebook systems powered by Radeon RX 5500 and RX 5500M graphics. Learn more here.

Availability
Later this month, MSI is expected to launch the MSI Alpha 15 laptop, powered by Radeon RX 5500M GPUs. In addition, Radeon RX 5500 graphics cards are expected to be available in leading desktop gaming systems beginning in November 2019, including HP'S OMEN Obelisk and Pavilion Gaming desktops, as well as Lenovo Legion T530 and IdeaCentre T540 Gaming PCs. The Radeon RX 5500 graphics cards are expected to be available in Acer Nitro 50 PCs beginning in December 2019. AMD board partners are expected to launch standalone graphics cards this quarter (Q4 2019).
For more information, visit the product page.

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61 Comments on AMD Introduces Radeon RX 5500 Series Graphics Cards

#26
sergionography
TheinsanegamerN, post: 4128888, member: 127292"
So AMD has made a RX580 replacement that cost what a 580 used to cost and performs the same as a RX580 and pulls the power of a RX580 (note the 5500 in the picture has an 8 pin connector - unencessary on a card that pulls under 150 watts). WCCF tech claims it has a "110TDP/150TBP" design, which if true, is a whopping 14 watts lower then a stock RX480, and slightly higher then a XFX 480 GTR black. Not impressive for 7nm navi.

Woooo? So much advancement....I think? I mean, go look at the 1650 benchmarks from when it came out. Take note of where the RX570 and RX580 are at. This new RX5500 isnt any faster. Poeple complain about nvidia all the time, but AMD seems to be very comfortable not moving an inch from where polaris once stood, and if this is the best they can shrink Navi down to, big navi doesnt look so rosy anymore.


That isnt exactly unusual. MSI has made AMD gaming laptops, the FX line, for many years. They even made them with bulldozer APUs and AMD dGPUs!
That's irrelevant. what matters is the overall performance/watt/mm2. and on that note Navi is very competitive because they are able to price it competitively while offering comparable performance. note how the rx5500m is 4.6Tflops vs 5.2Tflops desktop yet its a mobile 50-75watt tdp part(half the tdp). AMD is placing these in the market based on performance rather than the power/performance sweetspot.
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#27
r.h.p
perfect for my tv media center upgrade :toast:
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#28
Berfs1
DeeJay1001, post: 4128874, member: 190289"
Are you crazy? I'm guessing we will see this MSRP in the $199-$249 range. It's an RX580 replacement and should sell for RX580 MSRP roughly.

EDIT: After some digging it looks like these might go even cheaper potentially down to $149.
Where did you see this is a RX580 replacement? That is what the RX 5700 is, and the RX 5700 XT would replace the RX 590. This is more like a RX550/RX560 replacement based on the naming scheme. I estimate 120-150$ MSRP for the 4GB (150-180$ for 8GB) version assuming: between the RX 5700 and RX 5500, there will be an RX 5600; 180-210$ assuming there is no RX 5600.

jabbadap, post: 4128941, member: 148195"
Footnote slides for those interested:



RX-382..... Hey AMD, is it that hard to plug in an RX 480 into that Ryzen 7 3800X testbench? Why did you guys pair a RX 5500 with a R7 3800X and a RX 480 with an i7-5960X??? OF COURSE THE 5960X TAKES MORE POWER. >:(
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#29
Mark Little
Looks like AMD updated their product page with 150W instead of 110W. This is not good!
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#30
jabbadap
sergionography, post: 4128951, member: 102909"
That's irrelevant. what matters is the overall performance/watt/mm2. and on that note Navi is very competitive because they are able to price it competitively while offering comparable performance. note how the rx5500m is 4.6Tflops vs 5.2Tflops desktop yet its a mobile 50-75watt tdp part(half the tdp). AMD is placing these in the market based on performance rather than the power/performance sweetspot.
Anandtech says RX-5500M TDP is variable but starting at 85W, which the specs are taken. 85W is actually more than gtx1660ti non maxQ TDP of 80W. But then again they had wrong tdp number on desktop version too... But just for comparison gtx1650 mobile TDPs are 30W for MaxQ and 50W for MaxP. I seriously doubt it will go that low.
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#31
yakk
What's the big deal with the power thingy? 75w MB + 75w connector to get 150w max theoretical (8 pin would be 225w max theoretical which IMO is a good sign for overclocking if AMD has that on their reference design).
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#32
FeelinFroggy
AMD has not released a sub $200 GPU since early 2017. And really, the 580 is the same card as the 480 that was released in 2016.

So basically, been over 3 years since AMD has released a sub $200 GPU and AMD is supposed to be the "value" choice. GPU prices are just insane and I suspect that if they dont get reasonable, then you are going to see the new consoles and Stradia take a serious bite out of the PC gaming market.
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#33
jabbadap
Mark Little, post: 4128968, member: 168714"
Looks like AMD updated their product page with 150W instead of 110W. This is not good!
Might be 110W gpu only and 150W for whole graphics card. I hope that is not true though, 150W does not really make any sense unless amd is running it with higher than needed voltage and pushing the chip out of optimum operating area.
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#34
ShurikN
jabbadap, post: 4128978, member: 148195"
Might be 110W gpu only and 150W for whole graphics card. I hope that is not true though, 150W does not really make any sense unless amd is running it with higher than needed voltage and pushing the chip out of optimum operating area.
Unless these are literally from the bottom of the silicon barrel, those clocks don't scream high voltages to me.

EDIT
never mind, ive been reading the Mobile clocks.
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#35
gdallsk
an 8 pin on a low end card... really?
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#36
Lionheart
sepheronx, post: 4128907, member: 16941"
Instead of speculating, why not wait for benchmarks to come out then debate about performance (real) vs hypothetical.
That's the TPU way unfortunately, everyone's an expert lol.
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#37
Readlight
my cpu ram cant run nothing more than asphalt 9 from new games.
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#39
Taraquin
It will be interesting to see. A bit sceptical about the 8-pin. Makes little sense.

Thing is Polaris, Vega and Navi can be really efficient when AMD uses same voltage as Nvidia does. In the Asus notebook GL702zc the rx 580 ran at around 1100MHz, quite low volt and used around 70W. It was slightly slower, but also used less power than the 1060 notebook.

My Rx 580 I undervolted to 950mv at 1264MHz. Card only used 70-80W during gamingsesdions, peaked around 110W.

My 5700 XT reference I run at 1605MHz@850mv and consumption is identical to my 580. It performs the same as a 5700 vanilla, but us barely audible and runs very cool.

Both pascal and turing runs much of the time between 800 and 1000mv. Polaris and 5700 XT runs at 1150-1200mv. 5700 vanilla runs at 950-1000mv and has better perf/watt than 2060 vanilla :)
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#40
Mark Little
gdallsk, post: 4128990, member: 104979"
an 8 pin on a low end card... really?
8-pin is being used almost universally nowadays in all market brackets.

Edit: I should also add for any GPU over 100W Total Board Power.
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#41
Mayclore
That's a nice little understated reference cooler. I hope the 5800 gets a dual-fan version.
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#42
efikkan
So, I didn't catch the release date, price, TDP nor the state of AIB partner cards from that.
Anandtech says "this quarter", and Phoronix says "expected in November"…
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#43
mechtech
Berfs1, post: 4128956, member: 163173"
Where did you see this is a RX580 replacement? That is what the RX 5700 is, and the RX 5700 XT would replace the RX 590. This is more like a RX550/RX560 replacement based on the naming scheme. I estimate 120-150$ MSRP for the 4GB (150-180$ for 8GB) version assuming: between the RX 5700 and RX 5500, there will be an RX 5600; 180-210$ assuming there is no RX 5600.


RX-382..... Hey AMD, is it that hard to plug in an RX 480 into that Ryzen 7 3800X testbench? Why did you guys pair a RX 5500 with a R7 3800X and a RX 480 with an i7-5960X??? OF COURSE THE 5960X TAKES MORE POWER. :mad:

What is interesting is the 12% absolute performance over the RX480, pretty good considering ~30% less shaders. However the RX 570 4GB models have been going on sale here for $155 Canadian on the low end. I wonder what the absolute fps/$ will be vs an RX570 4GB?

I would like to see how it performs with video playback, and encoding/decoding vs an RX570 4GB.
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#44
Totally
jabbadap, post: 4128933, member: 148195"
So by the pricing current Turing stack up:
  • Low end: GTX1650 $149
  • Lower Midrange: GTX1660 $219
  • Midrange: GTX1660 ti $279, RTX 2060S $399
  • Upper Mid range: RTX 2070S $499
  • High End: RTX 2080S $699
  • Because money: RTX 2080 ti $1299
  • Prosumer: Titan RTX $2499

FTFY. Non s cards have been discontinued afaik.
btw High end = Enthusiast, beyond that nvidia stated it themselves the ti only came about because people where throwing money at them for titans even though it wasn't a gaming card
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#45
JAB Creations
TheinsanegamerN, post: 4128888, member: 127292"
So AMD has made a RX580 replacement that cost what a 580 used to cost and performs the same as a RX580 and pulls the power of a RX580 (note the 5500 in the picture has an 8 pin connector - unencessary on a card that pulls under 150 watts). WCCF tech claims it has a "110TDP/150TBP" design, which if true, is a whopping 14 watts lower then a stock RX480, and slightly higher then a XFX 480 GTR black. Not impressive for 7nm navi.

Woooo? So much advancement....I think? I mean, go look at the 1650 benchmarks from when it came out. Take note of where the RX570 and RX580 are at. This new RX5500 isnt any faster. Poeple complain about nvidia all the time, but AMD seems to be very comfortable not moving an inch from where polaris once stood, and if this is the best they can shrink Navi down to, big navi doesnt look so rosy anymore.


That isnt exactly unusual. MSI has made AMD gaming laptops, the FX line, for many years. They even made them with bulldozer APUs and AMD dGPUs!
Go watch some "Moore's Law Is Dead" videos and he explains the business aspects that are involved. Everyone wants 7nm and only TSMC and Samsung have them now. AMD doesn't have the money battle chest that Intel and Nvidia do so why should they continue to work with scraps selling 7nm GPU chips for low margins when they can sell CPUs for higher margins? Eventually the GPU chips get binned enough where say, a 5500 series can be made from what I would guess are 5700 chips that didn't bin as well (seeing as 7nm is still new).

Mindset is important - yes!

Having actual competition is good - yes!

Making sure you make intelligent business decisions to be able to make awesome products on a sustainable level? More important then making poeople complaining on an Internet forum. Trust me, I want to see the competition return from AMD too though they're certainly making the right moves.
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#46
GoldenX
Nice specs, a good price will make it a great seller, specially considering the price of turing's low to mid end.
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#47
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
ZoneDymo, post: 4128912, member: 66089"
I would expect the entry level (RTX2060) gaming card to cost 200 - 250 dollars/euro.
The mid level (RTX2070) card to be about 350 - 400 - 450.
The high level (RTX2080) card to be about 600 dollar.

The ultra high end (RTX2080Ti) card to be about 750 dollar.

ya know.... like it used to be before the rediculous price jumps.
600 for any card is ridiculous
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#48
UltraThicc
Finally they stop using trashy blower style cooler :D
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#49
sutyi
mechtech, post: 4129131, member: 34152"
What is interesting is the 12% absolute performance over the RX480, pretty good considering ~30% less shaders. However the RX 570 4GB models have been going on sale here for $155 Canadian on the low end. I wonder what the absolute fps/$ will be vs an RX570 4GB?

I would like to see how it performs with video playback, and encoding/decoding vs an RX570 4GB.
Polaris is pretty much going out of market right now... at least in Europe. One of the bigger e-tailers ALZA now only has the grand total of 15 models of RX 570/RX 580 and 590s combined.

In my opinion the RX 5500 4-8GB will slot into the 139-159USD spot and the RX 5500 XT 8GB will go for 179USD.

If you want it for video playback and / or HW endcoding wait for the RX 5500 as it has the new Media Engine. If you just want the performance level, get the RX 570 4GB while it is on the shelves at a discount.
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#50
ZoneDymo
eidairaman1, post: 4129199, member: 40556"
600 for any card is ridiculous
While I would never pay that much for one considering how quickly they dont perform well at the high end anymore, 600 bucks for a high end pc product has been the norm for a while so I dont consider that too crazy.
But again, not something I would pay myself.

jabbadap, post: 4128933, member: 148195"
You are stretching term entry level there...

Entry x30 ~ sub $100(Not really gaming card)

Nvidia's usual msrp ranges for Gaming cards:
  • Low end x50/ti ~$100 - $150
  • Midrange x60/ti ~$200 - $299
  • High end x70/x80 ~$330 - $600
  • Enthusiast x80ti ~ $650 - $750
So by the pricing current Turing stack up:
  • Low end: gtx1650 $149
  • Midrange: gtx1660 $219, gtx1660ti $279
  • Highend: RTX2060/S $350/$399, RTX2070/S $599/$499
  • Enthusiast: RTX 2080/S $699/$699
  • Titan class: RTX 2080 ti $999/$1299

thats only because of how they moved it and at the same time kept it all the same that you think Im stretching anything.

Sure you can go even lower but imo you cant really consider that to be gaming, more like a mediacard that you can also game well on tbh.
One that you would get with overpriced supermarket pc's and stuff like that.

6600GT - 8800GT - GTX460 - 660 - 760(though that one was bad) - 960 - 1060 - 2060(super) are entry level gaming grade gpu's, and should be priced as such.
9800pro- HD3850 - HD4850 - 5850 - 6950 - 7950 - RX280 - 380 - 480 - 580 - 590 - 5700(XT) same story

Back in the day I bought an HD6950 from Sapphire plus a game (dirt 2) for 200 euro's brand new.
Now if I want todays equivalent I would be looking at an RTX2060(super) or 5700(XT) at over 400 euro's brand new.

So yeah, imo prices of gpu's have to come down about 200 euro and quickly because right now its just nonsense and anyone supporting this is pretty stupid and anti consumer but hey they can judge for themselves.
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