Saturday, August 22nd 2020

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Founders Edition Potentially Pictured: 3-slot Behemoth!

The rumor mill has no weekend break, and it churned out photos of what appears to be an NVIDIA Founders Edition version of the upcoming GeForce RTX 3090 next to the equivalent FE RTX 2080, with the latter looking like a toy compared to the massive triple slotter. The cooler comprises of the same design we discussed in detail in June, with the unique obverse dual-fan + aluminium heatsink seen in the images below. We also covered alleged PCB photos, in case you missed them before, and all lines up with the most recent leaks. The only difference here is that pricing for the RTX 3090 FE is claimed to be $1400, a far cry from the $2000 mark we saw for certain aftermarket offerings in the makings, and yet significantly higher from the previous generation- a worrying trend that we eagerly await to see justified with performance, before we even get into case compatibility concerns with the increased length here. Either way, if the images below are accurate, we are equally curious about the cooling capability and how it affects partner solutions and pricing.
Source: Twitter user @GarnetSunset
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183 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Founders Edition Potentially Pictured: 3-slot Behemoth!

#176
Kovoet
Can't see me paying those prices. I update every year but now the prices are going to get stupid.
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#177
John Naylor
DuxCro
With ZEn 3 around the corner, idk why anyone would buy intel CPU for a new build.
Well 1, around the corner is not here ... and 2.... it's always best to choose your tools based upon what you need it to do and what jobs you do. Unfortunately the apps in which where AMD excels are not on a large % of peoples PCs. For gamers , the 10400 / 10400F is faster in gaming than anything in AMDs entire lineup ... hard to get your hands on one even with vendors selling well over MSRP. When I first looked at the $265 10600k versus the $250 3600X, they were in the same general prce tier. ... now th e 10600k is sometimes over $300, while the 3600X has dropped

While I would agree it's noyt wise to make a choice w/o all cards being on the table as yet, we can ony make decisions based upon what is real. The only applications that matter are the ones each user is running and how often. If you are rendering or going Gaming Develppment moist of your day ... most definitely you'd be better off with AMD. But for what people actually do on an every day basis .... most folks will do better with Intel.... even with many workstation type or advanced apps ... like Photo Editing, Video Editing and software development. And even tho many things favor Intel in testing (i.e office suites), I'm ignoring them as the test scripts ignore the real bottlenect, user input. Just gpoinmg to use gaming + video editing as if we want to include an area where more cores is supposed to help, the most common app of this type would be video editing.

$400 Price Point - 10700k ($406) vs 3900X ($429) ..... All data based upon TPUs testing

Gaming: 10700k = 100% / 3900x = 93% (OC'd the 10700K picks up 1.3% / OC'd the 3900x was slower) .... 10700k is 7.5% faster ignoring the OC advantage

Video Editing: 10700k = 236.5 / 3900x = 252.2 (OC'd the 10700K = 228.6 / OC'd the 3900x was slower) .... 10700k is 6.6% faster ignoring the OC advantage

Stock Temps @ Max Load: 10900k = 61C / 3900 XT = 79C

$300 Price Point - 10600K ($278) vs 3700X ($290) ..... All data based upon TPUs testing

Gaming: 10600k = 100% / 3700x = 93.6% (OC'd the 10600K picks up 1.9% / OC'd the 3700x was 0.1% faster) .... 10700k is 6.4 % faster ignoring the OC advantage

Video Editing: 10600k = 241.00 / 3900x = 253.40 (OC'd the 10700K = 228.6 / OC'd the 3700x was slower) .... 10700k is 5.1% faster ignoring the OC advantage

Stock Temps @ Max Load: 10600k = 56C / 3970 X =66C

$200 Price Point - 10600KF ($182) vs 3600 ($175) ..... All data based upon TPUs testing

Gaming: 10400KF = 100% / 3600 = 93.8% .... 10700k is 6.2 % faster

Video Editing: 10400KF = 267.40 / 3600 = 263.00 .... 3600 is 1.7% faster

We were asked to do a build like this 2 weeks ago. user didn't know which way he wanted to go so we aked what's the frequency of usage and irelative importance. ? It came down to, ***in his case***. What's more important 6.2% every night of the week versus rendering once or twice a week ?

So there are many reasons why someone would do an Intel build .... it will depend on what applications are being used. For a build dedicated to gaming (and other incidental stuff where speed is of no significance), the opposite is true ... it is real hard to make a case for an AMD build, as Intel's $180 CPU is faster in gaming than anything in AMDs entire lineup extending up to the $475 flagship. And that's "in general" ... if you exclusively into SIM games, you might go the other way.

No one buys a CPU cause it's faster in Powerpoint, and the fact that Intel is faster in Word and Excel again isn't going to sway any buying decisions. As an Engineer, my primary workday apps are AutoCAD and Spreadsheets, both of which favor Intel.

From AutoCAD Workstation Vendor Support
"In the case of AutoCAD, the majority of the software is only single threaded so it is only able to utilize a single core of the CPU. For this reason, our general recommendation when choosing a processor is to get the highest frequency. For current generation CPUs, that is Intel's Core i9 10900K or i7 10700K, both of which can boost to over 5.0GHz with a single core active. "

So the relevant questions becomes...

a) what application will your box have installed that benefit from one CPU versus another. Looking at TPU testing , I see about 7 or 8 that favor Intel ,,, and other that are too close to matter.
b) what application will your box have installed that benefit from one CPU versus another, that you use on a every day basis . Looking at TPU, I see about 4 or 5 that favor Intel
c) what application will your box have installed that benefit from one CPU versus another, that you use on a every day basis and in which the user is not the primary bottleneck. Looking at TPU, I see just gaming and that favors Intel.

I do have an engineering colleagues that wants me to build him a dual system box. His idea is to run a threadripper for doing rendering jobs overnight, while he plays games on the Intel side. But every time he's ready to pull a trigger , he hears about another "next big thing" and puts it off.

Saying there's no reason to buy [insert anything here] is doesn't fit everybody. The best answer would be a hammer if you are a roofer. ... but an electrician would likely say a screwdriver and an auro mechanic a wrench. Picking a tool is best done by picking the tool that best fits the application. ... and a CPU is just that. For gamers (outside of SIMs and a few others,) that's going to be Intel. For renderers, game developers, that's going to be AMD ... for CAD users, video editors, photo editors, CAD peeps, etc, that's going to be Intel.
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#178
DuxCro
John Naylor
Wall of text.
Seriously, you need to get out more. :kookoo:
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#179
Turmania
I do not mind or care what I buy. But,when I buy it, I want it to work and have the peace of mind if there is a driver issue i know that it will get fixed immediately. This is where Nvidia excels and won me as a consumer.
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#180
Manoa
this is sad but bad news is until AMD decide to stop the "anti-software" policy and stop looking for open source suckers to do them drivers for free this not going to change :x
yhe sure NV policies suckx but they deliver and consistently so, and in the end the user care about what is working not broken half made drivers, even if the hardware is bether :x
you can see similar example in linux vs windows: linux fail every time in games, first was WINE and now it's Proton and each time it the same story: nothing working only problems
and windows spilling millions in QA in the end worth more to user than principles of linux
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#181
Parn
Holy cr*p! The card is huge. In a small-ish case, this thing is going to split the entire internal space in half and completely block the airflow in between. What's the TDP?
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#182
theoneandonlymrk
Manoa
this is sad but bad news is until AMD decide to stop the "anti-software" policy and stop looking for open source suckers to do them drivers for free this not going to change :x
yhe sure NV policies suckx but they deliver and consistently so, and in the end the user care about what is working not broken half made drivers, even if the hardware is bether :x
you can see similar example in linux vs windows: linux fail every time in games, first was WINE and now it's Proton and each time it the same story: nothing working only problems
and windows spilling millions in QA in the end worth more to user than principles of linux
And a comment a on topic? At best you got six words in.

People need to read the title more round here, that might calm some flame wars , wtaf.
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