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NVIDIA Rumored to Refresh RTX 30-series with SUPER SKUs in January, RTX 40-series in Q4-2022

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NVIDIA is rumored to be giving its GeForce RTX 30-series "Ampere" graphics card family a mid-term refresh by the 2022 International CES, in January; the company is also targeting Q4-2022, specifically October, to debut its next-generation RTX 40-series. The Q1 refresh will include "SUPER" branded SKUs taking over key price-points for NVIDIA, as it lands up with enough silicon that can be fully unlocked. This leak comes from Greymon55, a reliable source on NVIDIA leaks. It also aligns with the most recent pattern followed by NVIDIA to keep its GeForce product-stack updated. The company had recently released "Ti" updates to certain higher-end price-points, in response to competition from the Radeon RX 6000 "RDNA2" series.

NVIDIA's next-generation will be powered by the "Lovelace" graphics architecture that sees even more hardware acceleration for the RTX feature-set, more raytraced effects, and preparation for future APIs. It also marks NVIDIA's return to TSMC, with the architecture reportedly being designed for the 5 nm (N5) silicon fabrication node. The current-gen GeForce "Ampere" chips are being products on an 8 nm foundry node by Samsung.
Sources: Greymon55 (Twitter), RedGamingTech (YouTube), VideoCardz

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69 Comments on NVIDIA Rumored to Refresh RTX 30-series with SUPER SKUs in January, RTX 40-series in Q4-2022

#26
neatfeatguy
I'm wondering where the "Super" versions would even fit in.

I guess I could see a 3060 Super to help close that gap between the 3060 and 3060 Ti. However, how would they price it? The 3060s are currently in the $400-550 price range and the 3060Ti are in the $470-650 price range. These two models already overlap in pricing in the States.
3060 MSRP was $329.
3060Ti MSRP was $399
3060 Super would be....$360?
I would see a 3060 Super having a retail price range of $450-600 if we're going on what the 3060 and Ti versions are selling for right now.

But, a 3070 Super....wouldn't that just be a 3070Ti? Same with a 3080 Super being a 3080Ti?
....a 3090 Super? Super Duper?

This doesn't really make any sense and seems like a complete waste of time and resources. I'd rather see lower binned 3060 chips going into a 3050 and pricing out around $230. It would be a great price point for a very 1080p capable card if it could land within 15-20% behind a 3060.
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#27
BSim500
bugCrypto is designed to be increasingly harder to mine. As long as that rate exceeds that of GPUs' HP, there's a natural threshold where GPUs will stop being up to the task. Whether that is 1 or 10 years away, I couldn't say.
That works when there's only one crypto-currency. Back in the real world, crypto-economics are mostly nonsensical junk that don't self-regulate. They boast how units of currency are immune to being "overprinted" whilst ignoring the fact it's actually the currencies themselves that have already ended up overprinted (ie, "we can't create more than 21m Bitcoins, so instead once all the easy money has been mined, we'll just spam-create 10,000x different crypto-currency's per decade, each decade having a different 'leader' that enjoys a "pump & dump" mining boom and 5-10 year lifespan before being abandoned to the next 'get rich quick' leader"). Go to CoinMarketCap and add up all the units of crypto currency created (Circulating Supply column) starting with 18,811,043 Bitcoins + 117,452,554 Eth + 131,214,326,800 Dogecoin, etc, then continue for +6,500x different crypto-currencies (vs only about 180x national currencies), and the total number of crypto-units in circulation already exceeds that of many national fiat currencies some seriously naive people think they're "liberating" us from... :rolleyes:
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#28
Broken Processor
For all the chance I'll have to own one I may as well be watching Top Gear.
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#29
bug
BSim500That works when there's only one crypto-currency. Back in the real world, crypto-economics are mostly nonsensical junk that don't self-regulate. They boast how units of currency are immune to being "overprinted" whilst ignoring the fact it's actually the currencies themselves that have already ended up overprinted (ie, "we can't create more than 21m Bitcoins, so instead once all the easy money has been mined, we'll just spam-create 10,000x different crypto-currency's per decade, each decade having a different 'leader' that enjoys a "pump & dump" mining boom and 5-10 year lifespan before being abandoned to the next 'get rich quick' leader"). Go to CoinMarketCap and add up all the units of crypto currency created (Circulating Supply column) starting with 18,811,043 Bitcoins + 117,452,554 Eth + 131,214,326,800 Dogecoin, etc, then continue for +6,500x different crypto-currencies (vs only about 180x national currencies), and the total number of crypto-units in circulation already exceeds that of many national fiat currencies some seriously naive people think they're "liberating" us from... :rolleyes:
I was assuming there will be a limit to how many cryptocurrencies are willing to up with, but otherwise yes, a fair point.
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#30
Legacy-ZA
ppn5nm will trigger just another power efficiency event and triple density, 133mTr/mm2 compared to now 44.. So even if prices are able to normalize. The scalpers and the gpu makers will team up to our decrement. They really need to be investigated for a cartel or fixing prices at this stage. What is this, making gaming video cards and blatantly selling to miners and scalpers first... At least make the GA103 on 6nm 66mTr/mm2 $660.
On a side note, this will flood the market with second-hand RTX3000 series GPU's, how that will affect prices remains uncertain, for all we know crypto goes to Mars, never mind to the moon and we can clearly see the prices of current-gen GPUs follow the price action of ETH.
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#31
ThrashZone
Legacy-ZAOn a side note, this will flood the market with second-hand RTX3000 series GPU's, how that will affect prices remains uncertain, for all we know crypto goes to Mars, never mind to the moon and we can clearly see the prices of current-gen GPUs follow the price action of ETH.
Hi,
Seems pretty clear
Just another gpu series overpriced and in short supply.
Older versions same deal as today overpriced only good if someone has some old cards to sell but it's still a sellers market.
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#32
freeagent
Or we could just say screw it and go back to what we used to to before we became slaves to e waste. A world without the internet wasn't a bad place. You could fix the things you bought, Your fridge didn't crash because of a software update because there was no software. People were friendly to each other, sorta.. Life before modern times was good. Those who know, know.
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#33
Ravenas
DammeronYes, with 16GB of RAM. Meanwhile 3080 Super will still have 10GB.
Unless you're using professional applications, you're running out of shader power long before you need that extra ram you speak of.
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#34
HenrySomeone
ChomiqWill people finally drop the Ngreedia bs? It's not like AMD is any better when it comes to GPU prices.
Bingo! +Nvidias you could at least get, while 6000 still hasn't even made a blip in the Steam survey chart, lol
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#35
yotano211
Broken ProcessorFor all the chance I'll have to own one I may as well be watching Top Gear.
What's a top gear?, they canceled yet.
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#36
neatfeatguy
HenrySomeoneBingo! +Nvidias you could at least get, while 6000 still hasn't even made a blip in the Steam survey chart, lol
Unless it's revealed how Steam actually handles their survey, it's hard to believe much that comes across it. Places were doing news stories about how Windows 7 was making a come back because there was a small jump in the OS on Steam's survey......

You can go out and create a survey, not divulge any details about what you do with all the info and display whatever info you want to skew the results in your favor. Don't live or die by the Steam survey and take it with a grain of salt.
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#37
BSim500
neatfeatguyUnless it's revealed how Steam actually handles their survey, it's hard to believe much that comes across it. Places were doing news stories about how Windows 7 was making a come back because there was a small jump in the OS on Steam's survey......
In my experience the Steam HWSurvey is fairly accurate in the sense 6-core popularity increased over the past couple of years, the most commonly owned GPU's really are the xx50 / xx60 (as seen by Ebay listings). The W7 thing was due to a lot of places in China running W7 repurposing them for mining ie, they uninstalled Steam and thus stopped being counted by Steam. Then when China started clamping down they reinstalled Steam again. That's why if you look under "language" on the same months of a W7 comeback, you'll see Simplified Chinese made a big +7.2% jump in a month. The survey isn't faulty, it was just under-counting then-recounting Chinese W7 rigs as they started and stopped mining.
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#38
HenrySomeone
BSim500In my experience the Steam HWSurvey is fairly accurate in the sense 6-core popularity increased over the past couple of years, the most commonly owned GPU's really are the xx50 / xx60 (as seen by Ebay listings). The W7 thing was due to a lot of places in China running W7 repurposing them for mining ie, they uninstalled Steam and thus stopped being counted by Steam. Then when China started clamping down they reinstalled Steam again. That's why if you look under "language" on the same months of a W7 comeback, you'll see Simplified Chinese made a big +7.2% jump in a month. The survey isn't faulty, it was just under-counting then-recounting Chinese W7 rigs as they started and stopped mining.
+ it has by far the largest sample of any, especially any that is run continuously. I for sure trust it far and I mean FAR above any rants of butt hurt team red fanboys claiming otherwise...
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#39
Diverge
ShurikNThe thing is, prices are unlikely to normalize ever again.
These prices are here to stay unless something huge happens to crypto (which is highly unlikely).
Or unless Intel desides to severely undercut Amd and NV in order to get some marketshare. Which I doubt, because... Intel.
I think things will trend back towards normal if the economy continues the current rate of inflation, which will lead to a crash. Not sure about everyone else, but the typical 3% raises don't cover the increased costs of everything "due to covid". So people will become poorer over time, unless they change jobs or get promotions. Crashed economy, layoffs, and poor people is probably what the future holds...
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#40
robb
Vayra86Until price normalizes and we're all back in the game ;)

But honestly... given the requirements of new games and what they show for it... I'm going to be happy toning things down a notch. I keep getting surprised how well a 1080 still runs at 3440x1440. If I get 50% extra raster perf somewhere down the line, I'm sorted for another 5 years. Also, retro & indie gaming. More game, less nonsense...

Either way my limit is 500 EUR and it better be +50% at the very least for that money, or no buy. Its really quite simple :p
Then you are not playing modern demanding games or either you have some crappy low standards. I'm playing at a lower resolution of 2560x1440 and have the much faster 3070 and I am right at the edge of dropping below 60 FPS for minimums in some games with the settings cranked. Heck in Red Dead Redemption 2 I'm not even close to cranking all the settings. It sure as hell would not be a enjoyable experience for me to cut my GPU power in half and then run a higher resolution on top of that.
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#41
docnorth
Still no 3050 or 3050ti and IF finally Nvidia releases them, the real prices could exceed 300 eur/usd. I still need at least one 75w GPU without 6-pin connector and even the 1650's non-S retail for 250+. I guess puzzles and minesweeper will be the games of tomorrow...
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#42
Space Lynx
Astronaut
ZoneDymowho cares? idk about you guys but to me they might as well talk about a new ferrari, it no longer has anything to do with the world I (want to) live in.
Sing it brother. :toast:
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#43
trsttte
docnorthStill no 3050 or 3050ti and IF finally Nvidia releases them, the real prices could exceed 300 eur/usd. I still need at least one 75w GPU without 6-pin connector and even the 1650's non-S retail for 250+. I guess puzzles and minesweeper will be the games of tomorrow...
Indeed, there's a really big gap in the market that neither nvidia nor amd are adressing, evething midrange to low end and low power budget gpus are completely MIA. I'm waiting for a current gen replacement for the ancient gt 1030 / rx550

With rdna1 amd went close to that zone with the 5300/5300xt but they were oem only, i'm hopefull they don't repeat that whenever they decide to release the 6300 (or whatever the name ends up being) with navi24
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#44
Unregistered
trsttteIndeed, there's a really big gap in the market that neither nvidia nor amd are adressing, evething midrange to low end and low power budget gpus are completely MIA. I'm waiting for a current gen replacement for the ancient gt 1030 / rx550

With rdna1 amd went close to that zone with the 5300/5300xt but they were oem only, i'm hopefull they don't repeat that whenever they decide to release the 6300 (or whatever the name ends up being) with navi24
Because they make more money, selling higher end stuff to scalpers or gamers willing to spend £1000+ Plus not forgetting mining is the big buyer for GPU's now. In todays market I really can't blame scalpers when it's totally a market for high end cards only.
#45
defaultluser
ShurikNThe thing is, prices are unlikely to normalize ever again.
These prices are here to stay unless something huge happens to crypto (which is highly unlikely).
Or unless Intel desides to severely undercut Amd and NV in order to get some marketshare. Which I doubt, because... Intel.
Things will normalize for a year after we finally push Eherium proof of stake (until they find the next Etherium, and start making another run on GPUs.)

www.cnbc.com/2021/08/05/ethereums-mining-cliff-moved-up-from-summer-2022-to-december-2021.html
The pandemic raised build prices will still be with us for at least a year, but I think paying $400 fr RTX 3060 is as a lot less painful than paying a scalper $800 for one.
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#46
R-T-B
ChomiqMiners are already in line.
For LHR? Nah. No interest.
defaultluserThings will normalize for a year after we finally push Eherium proof of stake
There's a global silicon shortage people always forget about, so don't bet on it. It's why even LHR gpus are not in stock.
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#47
MentalAcetylide
ixiRtx 40xx next year quarter....? RIP. I guess AMD and Nvidia knows what intel will release and they are not in a hurry...

And I was hoping for this year end...
I have a funny feeling that given the experience with the pandemic & graphics cards, when the 40xx series cards are released, a very large portion of them will be disappearing before they ever reach the market to scalpers unless these manufacturers start proactively doing more to discourage/prevent it.
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#48
TheDeeGee
Seeing the current retail price of the card i want, i don't expect them to be cheap.

The card i want is an ASUS ROG Strix 3060 Ti OC, which still costs €799,- here in the Netherlands.

I will stick to my 1070 until the 4000 series, perhaps get a 4060 Non-Ti then, which will most likely be 3070 performance.
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#50
MikeMurphy
robbThen you are not playing modern demanding games or either you have some crappy low standards. I'm playing at a lower resolution of 2560x1440 and have the much faster 3070 and I am right at the edge of dropping below 60 FPS for minimums in some games with the settings cranked. Heck in Red Dead Redemption 2 I'm not even close to cranking all the settings. It sure as hell would not be a enjoyable experience for me to cut my GPU power in half and then run a higher resolution on top of that.
I get by at 4K60 on a Vega 56 by simply being smart about graphics settings.

The likes of AA are always off, as are blur effects and other nonsense, but textures and some other settings maxed. That, together with FreeSync doing it's thing from 48-60fps the picture quality and experience is really excellent.

I can't bring myself to upgrade as price/performance hasn't changed since I bought my Vega.
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