Monday, December 27th 2021

AMD Navi 24 GPU Powering RX 6500 XT Built on 6nm

AMD's first GPU built on the N6 (6 nm) silicon fabrication process isn't some big RX 7000 series behemoth, but the smallest chip from the Navi 2x GPU family, codenamed Navi 24. Based on the same RDNA2 graphics architecture as the rest of the RX 6000 series, the Navi 24 physically packs 1,024 stream processors across 16 compute units (8 WGPs), and on the RX 6500 XT, reportedly comes with 4 GB of memory across a 64-bit wide memory bus. The chip also packs a tiny 16 MB Infinity Cache. VideoCardz scored the first renders of the upcoming Radeon RX 6500 XT and RX 6400, which are based on the Navi 24. The RX 6500 XT features a full-height, 2-slot board design that uses a simple aluminium monoblock fan-heatsink. The RX 6400, on the other hand, is not just low-profile (half-height), but also single-slot.

Update Dec 28th: Unless we're mistaken, the SMDs near the PCIe interface in those renders seem to suggest that the GPU features a PCIe x4 interface. This should offer sufficient bandwidth for a GPU in this segment, and should help lower the pin-count of the GPU, as well as board costs.
Source: VideoCardz
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94 Comments on AMD Navi 24 GPU Powering RX 6500 XT Built on 6nm

#1
Chaitanya
Great only if they can be available for under $200.
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lynx29
any idea what kind of fps this would give in say witcher 3 at 1080p? would it be an upgrade over my gtx 1070 by more than 20-30 fps?
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Chrispy_
4GB of VRAM is what will make this unappealing to miners. Hopefully AMD can make enough of them to satisfy the now ridiculous demand for a half-decent entry-level card at sane prices.

I'm not holding my breath, initial pricing will be "market value" so likely a couple hundred bucks if it performs even remotely like a GTX980....
lynx29any idea what kind of fps this would give in say witcher 3 at 1080p? would it be an upgrade over my gtx 1070 by more than 20-30 fps?
Based on specs alone, no. It would be a sidegrade, perhaps even a significant downgrade.

At best, this is half the performance of a 6600XT, so we're looking at GTX 1060 levels for the 6500. The tiny Infinity Cache and limited bandwidth may actually make this slower than even an old GTX 1060.
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#4
Ellertis
Chrispy_4GB of VRAM is what will make this unappealing to miners. Hopefully AMD can make enough of them to satisfy the now ridiculous demand for a half-decent entry-level card at sane prices.

I'm not holding my breath, initial pricing will be "market value" so likely a couple hundred bucks if it performs even remotely like a GTX980....


Based on specs alone, no. It would be a sidegrade, perhaps even a significant downgrade.

At best, this is half the performance of a 6600XT, so we're looking at GTX 1060 levels for the 6500. The tiny Infinity Cache and limited bandwidth may actually make this slower than even an old GTX 1060.
There is still algos like Etc and Rvn that use less than 4gb and are profitable
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#5
DeeJay1001
EllertisThere is still algos like Etc and Rvn that use less than 4gb and are profitable
ETC has really fallen off and Raven unlike ETH or some other coins relies alot more on core performance rather than bandwidth. It may be profitable on RVN but if it earns under $1 a day and has an ROI of around a year no miners will be interested.
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#6
kruk
ChaitanyaGreat only if they can be available for under $200.
Yeah, the pricing will "make or break" this GPU. The availability could be excellent since the chip is so small, so we will see how it turns out ...
lynx29any idea what kind of fps this would give in say witcher 3 at 1080p? would it be an upgrade over my gtx 1070 by more than 20-30 fps?
This GPU should give 60-70 FPS for Witcher 3 at 1080p. It's performance is probably going to be between 1660 and 1660 Super at 1080p (so lower than 1070), but at higher resolutions it will fall behind due to low VRAM and low amounts of infinity cache.
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#7
TheinsanegamerN
DeeJay1001ETC has really fallen off and Raven unlike ETH or some other coins relies alot more on core performance rather than bandwidth. It may be profitable on RVN but if it earns under $1 a day and has an ROI of around a year no miners will be interested.
While I doubt that miners will be very interested in a GPU like this, their pressure keeping other prices inflated will inevitably lead to this chip being sold for $600-700, minimum.
Chrispy_4GB of VRAM is what will make this unappealing to miners. Hopefully AMD can make enough of them to satisfy the now ridiculous demand for a half-decent entry-level card at sane prices.

I'm not holding my breath, initial pricing will be "market value" so likely a couple hundred bucks if it performs even remotely like a GTX980....
That 4GB makes it unappealing to gamers too.

My slimline TV box uses a 4GB RX 560, and in both doom and cities skylines I am VRAM limited. This GPU could boast over twice the GPU performance, but with 4GB of VRAM on a 64 bit bus its going to be choked at every turn.

Intel's ARC A380, with a 6GB 96 bit bus, is much more promising, both in capacity and bandwidth.
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#8
kruk
TheinsanegamerNWhile I doubt that miners will be very interested in a GPU like this, their pressure keeping other prices inflated will inevitably lead to this chip being sold for $600-700, minimum.
What? Are you serious? This won't go over 400$. You can get much faster RX 6600 for 550€ (VAT included)
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#9
seth1911
550€ 8GB in 2021 :kookoo:
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TheinsanegamerN
krukWhat? Are you serious? This won't go over 400$. You can get much faster RX 6600 for 550€ (VAT included)
As of right now, the average price for a rx 6600 is $700 in ameriland. It wouldnt surprise me to see the RX 6500 hit $500.

www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601394871

People said the RX 6600 wouldnt go past $450-500, at worse, since they didnt make much sense for miners, and yet here we are.....


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#11
bonehead123
o.m.g.....

mucho...waste...of...time...resources...money....
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#12
Ellertis
TheinsanegamerNAs of right now, the average price for a rx 6600 is $700 in ameriland. It wouldnt surprise me to see the RX 6500 hit $500.

www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601394871

People said the RX 6600 wouldnt go past $450-500, at worse, since they didnt make much sense for miners, and yet here we are.....


So people maybe will begin to understand that the miners aren't the only ones buying gpus but also gamers themselves?
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#13
mechtech
ChaitanyaGreat only if they can be available for under $200.
This is more of an RX460 type card which was $100 at launch. However even these will probably go up more than $300+ after a bit.

"Based on the same RDNA2 graphics architecture as the rest of the RX 6000 series, the Navi 24 physically packs 1,024 stream processors across 16 compute units (8 WGPs), and on the RX 6500 XT, reportedly comes with 4 GB of memory across a 64-bit wide memory bus"

Be good for HTPC I guess. I see why AMD isn't putting 1024 shaders in it's APUs, these things would almost be pointless. I wonder if they will also go to OEMs or whole market?

IF AIB partners make a small half height 6500xt, I can see that being semi-popular due to the lack of decent performance cards in that size.
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#14
seth1911
Miners arent the problem, the main problem are consumers they buy those card cause they need it like some people they need drugs too.

I can spend 3000€ for a 3090ti but hell no ill dont do that, before that ill spend 3000€ in weed and beer.
In my opinion a 3090ti is a maximum 1000€ card, not even one cent more.
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#15
TheHughMan
Why are they trying to make more weak GPUs when stronger GPUs are what everyone wants?
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#16
Ellertis
TheHughManWhy are they trying to make more weak GPUs when stronger GPUs are what everyone wants?
Well, not everybody first of all, not everyone is ready to buy 500$+ cards that's for sure, so they make more affordable ones to capture all the markets, it'd be more stupid for them to ignore those price gaps
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#17
mechtech
TheinsanegamerNAs of right now, the average price for a rx 6600 is $700 in ameriland. It wouldnt surprise me to see the RX 6500 hit $500.

www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601394871

People said the RX 6600 wouldnt go past $450-500, at worse, since they didnt make much sense for miners, and yet here we are.....


ya no doubt, hindsight is 20/20 they say. I should have bought up a bunch of 8GB RX570/580s when they were under $200 CAD could have quadrupled my money in a mere 2.5 years.

I remember about spring 2011. I bought a mobo for about $130, a radeon 6850 for $130, and amd 955 cpu for $200, etc. etc. basically built a whole new desktop PC for $800 CAD. Now can't even get a basic video card for that. And that was a decent PC for 2011!!
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#18
Ellertis
mechtechya no doubt, hindsight is 20/20 they say. I should have bought up a bunch of 8GB RX570/580s when they were under $200 CAD could have quadrupled my money in a mere 2.5 years.

I remember about spring 2011. I bought a mobo for about $130, a radeon 6850 for $130, and amd 955 cpu for $200, etc. etc. basically built a whole new desktop PC for $800 CAD. Now can't even get a basic video card for that. And that was a decent PC for 2011!!
at least for the same money you'll now get more powerful stuff, so it's not that bad
seth1911What a pcie of shit, maybe it would be better than a few years old GT 1030 :laugh:

Infinite Cache a hoaks to every buyer, this is only to get a higher revenue.
That's for sure more powerful that a gt 1030, it falls more to the rx 590 territory
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#19
seth1911
Yeah for sure the 4Gig Card will be in the 590 8Gig territory,
lmao while u can play on medium with high textures on the 590, u can play on medium with low textures cause the holy 64bit and 4Gig.

Yeah great i will be use the same setting on a second hand GTX 960 4Gig for about 80€.
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#20
Ellertis
seth1911Yeah for sure the 4Gig Card will be in the 590 8Gig territory,
lmao while u can play on medium with high textures on the 590, u can play on medium with low textures cause the holy 64bit and 4Gig.
Of course I'm talking pure raster performance, duh it has less vram
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#21
TheHughMan
EllertisWell, not everybody first of all, not everyone is ready to buy 500$+ cards that's for sure, so they make more affordable ones to capture all the markets, it'd be more stupid for them to ignore those price gaps
I bought a 1650s for people who want to play the latest madden and forza games. They don't want entry level GPUs that slow down. they don't make AAA games for slow sloppy GPUs.
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#22
Ellertis
TheHughManI bought a 1650s for people who want to play the latest madden and forza games. They don't want entry level GPUs that slow down. they don't make AAA games for slow sloppy GPUs.
gpus exclusively used for games, it might be used for ultra small form factor build or a simple htpc
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#23
seth1911
Ellertisgpus exclusively used for games, it might be used for ultra small form factor build or a simple htpc
WTF from where did u come u think GPU are only for games :fear: :kookoo:
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#24
BlackSwan
Whether miners are interested in these cards or not is only half the argument. If miners gobble up all the upper level gpus everyone else is left to squabble over what's left regardless.
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#25
TheHughMan
BlackSwanWhether miners are interested in these cards or not is only half the argument. If miners gobble up all the upper level gpus everyone else is left to squabble over what's left regardless.
You're right. It's not like Sony and Microsoft are planning to use GT 1030s and RX 540 cards for the next generation PS6 and Xbox X2.
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