Could of been delayed as to not soil the launch of the 9060 XT since the 9070 GRE would be the better product spec wise. Or they simply don't have enough chips yet. I am a little disappointed but its not like I was gonna probably get my hands on this GPU anyway, assuming it was a china-exclusive release (which is what I last remember reading about it.)

ScattergruntCould of been delayed as to not soil the launch of the 9060 XT since the 9070 GRE would be the better product spec wise. Or they simply don't have enough chips yet. I am a little disappointed but its not like I was gonna probably get my hands on this GPU anyway, assuming it was a china-exclusive release (which is what I last remember reading about it.)

The RX 7900 GRE was China-exclusive as well, but there was a global market gap betweeen the 7800 XT and the 7900 XT that AMD then decided to release the GRE worldwide. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same this time.

wNotyarDThe RX 7900 GRE was China-exclusive as well, but there was a global market gap betweeen the 7800 XT and the 7900 XT that AMD then decided to release the GRE worldwide. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same this time.

I mean the same market gap exists right now arguably but we were kind of lucky to get the 7900 GRE. It was a well loved GPU among our circle of folk who actually do buy Radeon products, too, because it was very good value.

I don't know if AMD would do the same thing again, we would of probably already had rumblings that they would plan to release it worldwide already.. the fact we haven't isn't inspiring confidence in me.

Navi 48 is on a mature node. I doubt the have enough chips available to produce the number cards needed for a launch. They aren't going to sacrifice good chips that could be sold for more money.

ScattergruntI mean the same market gap exists right now arguably but we were kind of lucky to get the 7900 GRE. It was a well loved GPU among our circle of folk who actually do buy Radeon products, too, because it was very good value.

I don't know if AMD would do the same thing again, we would of probably already had rumblings that they would plan to release it worldwide already.. the fact we haven't isn't inspiring confidence in me.

Exactly, by specs (and quite certainly price as well) there will be a non-unreasonable gap between the 9060XT and the 9070 for the 9070GRE to slot in globally, but that'd require stock. Were AMD to release it still only in China, why delay it until Q4? Is the production of Navi 48 that amazingly good so no scraps are left below the 9070 threshold?

Probably realized the 9060XT is competitive vs. 5060Ti 16GB and didn't feel the need for the GRE for now. Hell, even the 7700XT is competitive.

ScattergruntCould of been delayed as to not soil the launch of the 9060 XT since the 9070 GRE would be the better product spec wise. Or they simply don't have enough chips yet. I am a little disappointed but its not like I was gonna probably get my hands on this GPU anyway, assuming it was a china-exclusive release (which is what I last remember reading about it.)

- I also hope it doesn't mean AMD is having strange ideas regarding 9060xt pricing either.

MSRP:
70xt $600
70 $550
70 GRE $???
60xt 16gb $400 or less we hope
60 8gb $300 or less we hope.

Hopefully AMD doesnt get it in their heads to sell the tiny N44 die for $450 or $500 because the inflated market...

Sales are drying up on the front end already?, why put another card in the channel to further put downward pressure on prices ?

FFS AMD, rebrand the 9070GRE as the 9060XT and be done with it (rebrand the latter as the vanillas 9060 or thrown a bone and call it the 9050).

Take the advantage whilst Nvidia mess around with 8GB @ £350+ nonsense in 2025 and try for once.

Xaser04FFS AMD, rebrand the 9070GRE as the 9060XT and be done with it (rebrand the latter as the vanillas 9060 or thrown a bone and call it the 9050).

Take the advantage whilst Nvidia mess around with 8GB @ £350+ nonsense in 2025 and try for once.

While they can still alter pricing, I think it's too late for a rename at this point. The packaging would have been designed by AIBs by now. I guess they could go the "unlaunched" 4080 12GB route. They could slap stickers on the existing boxes to cover over the original intended name :)

Xaser04FFS AMD, rebrand the 9070GRE as the 9060XT and be done with it (rebrand the latter as the vanillas 9060 or thrown a bone and call it the 9050).

Take the advantage whilst Nvidia mess around with 8GB @ £350+ nonsense in 2025 and try for once.

They wont do it , we can bet.
Naming the GRE as 9060XT would be good and 9060xt as vanilla.

432gb/s and 18gb/s? Rather have a 128 BIT GDDR7 card with higher SM/CU. (28gb/s min spec = 448gb/s)

3072 adds up to 48 CU. It's the direct 5070 competitor, but cost AMD more than NVIDIA since they're using defect N48. 64CU 9070 XT is a little under 70 SM 5070TI.

Performance will land between 5060 TI and 5070, but worse bandwidth than both.

Won't be upgrading till a 60 series card can at least double my 3060 TI performance (without fake frames).

dicobaltWon't be upgrading till a 60 series card can at least double my 3060 TI performance (without fake frames).

How things are going not even next generation GPU's will do that. Maybe the one after that, but you probably going to pay 800$ by then.

What is amd thinking with these names though? They don't have the brand recognition for the average user to know what the heck is the gre and how it fits into the stack. Just name it 9060xt and be done with it.

And here we are 3 days later
Pre-order have started in Chinese market
Edit: the MSRP should be 4199 CNY, so around 575 USD by today's exchange rate. But manufacturers tend to have a price markup for stuff
And 10 ish hours later there are still some models available (the Yeston one's are defenitely sold out lol, just shows how popular they are)

I'm not a currency expert but best I can tell the cheapest price listed there comes out to $585.

Stupid naming scheme. Should be called RX 9065, it makes the most sense.
Or 9070 LE if they're determined about 70 series denoting the Navi 48 die.

Anyway very unfortunate for AMD that this card isn't already out.
It would have been the missing piece of the puzzle in order to snuff out the RTX 5070 which would've been sandwiched between a cheaper, somewhat slower card with the same VRAM buffer and the 9070 a superior card at the same price (correction, at the same MSRP).
In this context the 5070 would have been a really hard sell.
The problem, as others hinted, is that the 5070 uses its own die while the 9070 GRE is harvested and thus relies on lower yields/defective dies in order to be brought into existence.

When the 9070 GRE gets launched the damage will have been done. Apparently across the world the 5070 has been adjusted at a lower street price than the 9070, which goes to show that retailers are also pretty intelligent on top of being greedy, they look at the performance numbers and adjust also according to that and not just the MSRP.
Right now for me in Romania the cheapest models of RX 9070 start at 680 €, whereas for the 5070 the price starts at 634 €.
It doesn't mean that now it's a better deal than the 9070, but the bigger the gap the bigger the odds that it will be.
Couple that with the fact that under it there's no new-gen AMD card (yet) it means that the crappy duo of 5060 Ti and 5070 make the law in (not so) low-budget-town.

dicobaltWon't be upgrading till a 60 series card can at least double my 3060 TI performance (without fake frames).

You're in for a long wait-> cca. 2029.
The 1440p relative performance chart shows that your requirement (+98%) is met by the 4070 Ti Super. Looking at the difference between it and the 5060 Ti (+53%) then it's clear that the 6060 Ti which is very likely to be launched at about 2 years from now will not be able to equal the 4070 Ti Super. The 7060 Ti (which relative to the 6060 Ti is likely to be a tick-tock type maneuver on the same node like Ada->Blackwell) probably yes.