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Tuesday, May 13th 2025

AMD Radeon "GFX13+" Target Found in Code Update; Linked to UDNA/RDNA 5 Architecture

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Closer to the start of 2025, Kepler L2 shared "PlayStation 6" inside track info. The venerable leaker—of mostly AMD behind-the-scenes details—theorized that Sony's sixth-gen home console was based around an early fork that branched off from a mysterious "GFX13" GPU architecture. Earlier today, this target identifier has appeared again. Kepler L2's latest investigations have pulled the "GFX13+" target from kernel-level codebase updates. Data miners have often pulled compelling pre-release tidbits from official repositories; AMD's software engineering team open-source developments are quite visible. Over a year ago, similar detective work connected the "GFX12" IP to RDNA 4—nowadays, better known as the Radeon RX 9000 graphics card family. Despite Team Red's official insistence that RDNA 4 was a priority on desktop platforms, supposed discrete mobile variants were leaked last month. In addition, RDNA 3.5 seems to be a mainstay for at least another generation of integrated graphics solutions.

Looking beyond these current-gen graphics architectures, AMD leadership has already previewed a "unified" path forward. Last September's announcement revealed the convergence of RDNA (gaming) and CDNA (enterprise) GPU technologies: dubbed "UDNA." Present day leaks do mention a far out "RDNA 5" line (also "Navi 5x"), but in the same sentence as "UDNA." Kepler L2 commented on the (screen captured) presence of "ENABLE_WAVEFRONT" and "ENABLE_WAVEGROUP" kernel code properties: "I think it's related to SWC (Streaming Wave Coalescer/pseudo out-of-order execution). Each SIMD takes multiple wave32/wave64 (a wavegroup) as inputs and reorders the work items of each wave to reduce execution divergence." Fresh rumors suggest the distant RDNA 5/UDNA avenue being good enough to expand into higher-end gaming card territories. So far, RDNA 4 has hit a ceiling with Navi 48 GPU-powered Radeon 9070 XT offerings.
Sources: Kepler_L2 Tweet, VideoCardz, Wccftech

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13 Comments on AMD Radeon "GFX13+" Target Found in Code Update; Linked to UDNA/RDNA 5 Architecture

#1
Hyderz
if ps6 releases on 2028 pretty sure it wont be on UDNA, maybe UDNA 2 or 3
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Space Lynx
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Hyderzif ps6 releases on 2028 pretty sure it wont be on UDNA, maybe UDNA 2 or 3
I think PS6 will come out November 2027. I say this because I think the next gen XBOX will be about in November 2026 or Spring 2027, and it's going to decimate the PS5 Pro, so Sony is going to move up its schedule.

It's just a hunch though, I most likely am wrong. From what I understand the next gen XBOX will be here sooner rather than later though. Definitely not this year of course, but yeah.
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Hyderz
Space LynxI think PS6 will come out November 2027. I say this because I think the next gen XBOX will be about in November 2026 or Spring 2027, and it's going to decimate the PS5 Pro, so Sony is going to move up its schedule.

It's just a hunch though, I most likely am wrong. From what I understand the next gen XBOX will be here sooner rather than later though. Definitely not this year of course, but yeah.
i think sony needs a better plan for ps6 than just hardware upgrade... if they were gonna succeed
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Space Lynx
Astronaut
Hyderzi think sony needs a better plan for ps6 than just hardware upgrade... if they were gonna succeed
to be fair to Sony, the DualSense was a major leap forward (imo) for controllers, just a shame more games didn't utilize it fully.

yeah I agree though, it either needs to be a major major leap forward in hardware, or something creative/innovative. one or the other or both.
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Jtuck9
Space Lynxto be fair to Sony, the DualSense was a major leap forward (imo) for controllers, just a shame more games didn't utilize it fully.

yeah I agree though, it either needs to be a major major leap forward in hardware, or something creative/innovative. one or the other or both.
With something like "Project Amethyst" it will be interesting to see what their first party games are like.
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Gameslove
RX 9090 with 48 GB VRAM will be great choice for 1000 $.
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#7
rattlehead99
Space Lynxto be fair to Sony, the DualSense was a major leap forward (imo) for controllers, just a shame more games didn't utilize it fully.

yeah I agree though, it either needs to be a major major leap forward in hardware, or something creative/innovative. one or the other or both.
What Sony needs are exclusives, good prices, free online play, 50-60$ AAA games and a decent price for the console. Same as microsoft.
There is no reason to buy a console if there are no exclusives and you have a PC. None. And they also worsen the value of them since this generation came out every year, within the same generation...
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Space Lynx
Astronaut
rattlehead99What Sony needs are exclusives, good prices, free online play, 50-60$ AAA games and a decent price for the console. Same as microsoft.
There is no reason to buy a console if there are no exclusives and you have a PC. None. And they also worsen the value of them since this generation came out every year, within the same generation...
actually you are wrong about this, for example I recently played through Uncharted 1-3 on ps5 and had a blast. can't do that on PC, can't even emulate that on PC. also, even games you can emulate on PC don't work fully right sometimes, take for example Dark Cloud, emulating it last year I had a blast but once you finish the game you have access to bonus dungeons, but the way the emulator works you don't get access to these dungeons. but on ps5 I can.

also there are heavy sales on the older games, so games like jak and daxter i can replay for only a couple bucks when it goes on sale again someday, etc.

astrobot also being goty is a reason, but i admit, a weak one. one great exclusive is not enough i agree with you there. but i also needed a 4k blu ray player and the nostalgia games. so yeah i don't regret getting ps5 again, it was cheap enough 450 and included astrobot. i have already decided i will be buying a ps6 on launch day too, well most likely anyway.
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Jtuck9
Space Lynxactually you are wrong about this, for example I recently played through Uncharted 1-3 on ps5 and had a blast. can't do that on PC, can't even emulate that on PC. also, even games you can emulate on PC don't work fully right sometimes, take for example Dark Cloud, emulating it last year I had a blast but once you finish the game you have access to bonus dungeons, but the way the emulator works you don't get access to these dungeons. but on ps5 I can.

also there are heavy sales on the older games, so games like jak and daxter i can replay for only a couple bucks when it goes on sale again someday, etc.

astrobot also being goty is a reason, but i admit, a weak one. one great exclusive is not enough i agree with you there. but i also needed a 4k blu ray player and the nostalgia games. so yeah i don't regret getting ps5 again, it was cheap enough 450 and included astrobot. i have already decided i will be buying a ps6 on launch day too, well most likely anyway.
Do they have a Gamepass equivalent or a cloud gaming service? Didn't they buy a cloud provider fairly recently? Might be a case of just downloading the app in the near future...
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#10
Neo_Morpheus
Space Lynxnext gen XBOX will be about in November 2026 or Spring 2027, and it's going to decimate the PS5 Pro
As an ex-Xbox owner, I will say, specs matter little, since the Series X is way better than the PS5 yet it failed.
rattlehead99What Sony needs are exclusives,
But we gamers do not need more of that crap.

I sincerely wonder where we went wrong, were we the consumers started demanding anticonsumers practices that work just to limit our options.

I commend MS with their Windows/Xbox store, buy once, play on either.

Yet, see how sony and Nintendo are milking their fans by charging over and over for the non stop remakes of the same games.
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#11
cal5582
Hyderzi think sony needs a better plan for ps6 than just hardware upgrade... if they were gonna succeed
honestly the hardware isnt the issue. its the lack of good games.
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#12
rattlehead99
Neo_MorpheusAs an ex-Xbox owner, I will say, specs matter little, since the Series X is way better than the PS5 yet it failed.

But we gamers do not need more of that crap.

I sincerely wonder where we went wrong, were we the consumers started demanding anticonsumers practices that work just to limit our options.

I commend MS with their Windows/Xbox store, buy once, play on either.

Yet, see how sony and Nintendo are milking their fans by charging over and over for the non stop remakes of the same games.
Exclusives are usually some of the best games ever made because they are marketing, that can potentially pay off. The goal of the exclusive used to be to be the best, most fun, most interesting, most innovative game possible at any cost to sell consoles and the profits would come from buying other games, peripherals, merch, etc. And on top of that if the exclusive was good enough, it could directly pay back for itself starting a franchise of its own.

I want excellent games, not just affordable ones.
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