720p lowEven at your desired price-points, almost certainly someone would start carping about the $50 delta between the $250 8Gb model and the $300 16Gb card.

In the case of the 9060 XT, for two products that are essentially identical except for the doubling of VRAM, what is the proper difference in price? Should it be only the BOM for the additional memory, plus whatever extra manufacturing step(s) in attaching that to the PCB, and segregating the products during production and securing two different cartons for product packaging versus just one? Is $50 outrageous for that? Maybe the Plant Manager at Sapphire wants to send his kids to a better school, or a Production Foreman at Power Color would like a new Lexus? I don't know. Now, Doubling that difference to $100 sure seems excessive, but halving it to $25 would probably just lead to a mountain of unsold 8Gb cards. And, yes, I realize that latter result aligns with "the 8Gb RTX 5060Ti, RTX 5060 and RX 9060 XT should not exist" sentiment.



Guys, recall that the 16Gb 4060Ti was initially pushed out the door at $500, and was quite justifiably lit-up for that reason. And, recall that the $400 8Gb model wasn't a exactly a hit with the general population either.

Here, we're seeing a pair of cards at 8Gb and 16Gb that are likely at least equally as performant, for $300 and $350, respectively. How is that not a step in the right direction? So, while I do agree that purchasing *any* new 8Gb graphics card in 2025 is an unnatural act, most especially for $300, I'm still not inclined to start passing out the torches and pitchforks to the angry mob. This isn't the hill I want to die on.

No doubt, the MSRP of all graphics cards produced in 2025 will quickly get a case of "happy feet" not long after launch. But, I don't see these "60-class" examples as being more egregious in that regard then their higher-tier siblings. That is the World we live in, currently. Pease forgive me for being terminally pragmatic.

Well, yeah I'm sure someone would still complain about it, because the x60 tier used to be $150-200, not starting at $300.
The cost from going to 8 to 16GB likely isn't very significant, so I think it should be for the BOM cost, or just slightly above what it costs to add another 8GB to the card.
But I think it would be much easier in terms of cost, and not needing an extra product SKU for AMD and the AIB's, to only have a 16GB model. IMO, the 8GB version should be the RX9050.
If the 8GB and 16GB cards perform closely to the 5060Ti, the pricing is fair enough since the 16GB 9060XT MSRP is what the 5060Ti 8GB MSRP is, though these sort of prices are still too high for what is supposed to be the budget range. This is the world we live in where everything has been affected by shrinkflation but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

Is it safe in here to unzip the trouser and pee on 8GB without the 8GB Stagnation Squad (8SS) kicking down the door in full riot gear? :wtf:

So, $80 cheaper (MSRP) and claiming 6% uplift over the notorious 5060 TI - even if that stands to be true its nothing short of popping down to a posh 5 star restaurant with white tablecloths, velvet seats, lit candles, the works - and the best you can afford is a plate of beans and some posh toast. The difference being, one of those plates has a little more beans for a cheaper price. Its still beans. No roast duck, no steak... not even a half tablespoon of lemon tart to top it off. Just 8 grams of toned down optimism with beans and toast!

For $300, the mainstream gamer deserves better.

Macro DeviceAnd this is why it's very bad for 300+ USD.


WE ALREADY HAVE THIS PERFORMANCE FOR 300!

Not particularly amazing, but I'll take one. Please chide and berate the 8 GB model as much as you can guys. Let them rot on shelves. My server (and wallet) will be happy! All I have to do is wait for the clearance sale to happen! :laugh:

Price is not that bad for the 16GB version. I am waiting for reviews.

calhauGames that favor AMD are under preforming the 5060ti in the presentation. Extrapolating a bit from 9070xt and 5070ti results, taking into account that there's a bias in the comparison in favour of vram bottlenecked games and that for 2 gens AMD inflates the average performance on their presentation I'm expecting that when reviews hit the +6% will turn into -6% at best.

Both the 9070 XT and 5070 Ti have 16 GB VRAM. Just saying.

Marcus LDon't you know everyone who buys an 8GB GPU expects to run ultra super duper nightmare settings in games at 1440p, at least that's the impression people give,

It's not that. Since GPUs have become so expensive, they shouldn't be treated as disposable items that you throw away in a year or two just because you've run out of VRAM in games of the era.

Marcus Lwhat happened to the days of tuning game settings to a balance between your GPU/vRAM power and game settings, heck most of us older gamers were doing this and still acheiving between 30-60FPS 20+ years ago and happy, not now, people want the cheapest cards to run the highest settings and bitch about it when they don't lol I think most of it come from pricepoints, since covid they have never recovered so a lot of people are still stuck in the mindframe of a £300 GPU should be able to run current games at the highest settings, if the cards were half the price they are now it would make much more sense but then why are NV or AMD going to give up profit on each GPU when they can sell them at upto and above £2k nowadays and people will happily pony up, it makes me laugh when I hear people saying £700 is mid-range like WTF have you lost your mind? that should be high end barring halo cards ie **90/titan class cards

I don't get your point. First, you think it's ridiculous to expect a £300 GPU to run games at high settings (so you acknowledge that GPUs have become expensive), then you laugh when people say £700 is midrange (so you deny that GPUs should be so expensive)? So which one is it? :confused:

Macro DeviceNeither but 6750 GRE 12 GB (which is effectively a renamed 6700 XT) was sold for just above 300 bucks at launch.

I still am less than impressed with what nVidia and especially AMD are doing lately. Team Green are like "whatever, it'll sell well anyway" and AMD aren't doing enough about it. Yes, 9070 XT is cheaper than 5070 Ti. But the stock was and still is limited, MSRP is still fake and 9060 XT is about to do little to nothing for this market as only the most desperate (or illiterate) will buy such graphics cards for this kind of pricing.

Perhaps if I'm too pessimistic and the scaling isn't perfectly linear and N44's clocks are for some reason significantly higher than those of N48 it might be an okay value SKU but from where I'm standing it looks silly.

Look up the Microcenter stock alert thread. Apparently, there was nearly 10x as many 9070 and 9070 XT cards than 5070 and 5070 Ti during their respective launches. They were just devoured like hotcakes, and in the current market conditions, I can't blame people for that.

As for the 9060 XT, I agree, it's a bit meh at this price point.

Sneaky that AMD was comparing the 8GB 5060Ti to the 16GB 9060XT, especially in regards to raytracing performance. Something is telling me that they did that so they can make their raytracing numbers look better in comparison. Wonder if that '6% Faster' (so basically not any significant level of faster for a repeat of the same pricing strategy they had against NVIDIA years ago) is actually 6% on average or possibly less than competition.

I doubt the 9060XT will sell well in that regard then.. even after its price will inevitably drop just like the 7900XT and 7900XTX's did when they realized the pricing was too high for those and panic dropped them when nobody was buying them. Meh at best to terrible pricing at worst with performance that is not even that much better if at all to the competitions, depending on how well the 16GB vs 16GB showdown goes in terms of RT.

AusWolfnearly 10x as many 9070 and 9070 XT cards than 5070 and 5070 Ti during their respective launches

Ten times nada is still nada. Stock outside US and UK is still insignificant.

rlifehDon't trust the liars, that MSRP for get good reviews, then they will increase it a lot

It worked very well the last time.

ScattergruntSneaky that AMD was comparing the 8GB 5060Ti to the 16GB 9060XT, especially in regards to raytracing performance. Something is telling me that they did that so they can make their raytracing numbers look better in comparison. Wonder if that '6% Faster' (so basically not any significant level of faster for a repeat of the same pricing strategy they had against NVIDIA years ago) is actually 6% on average or possibly less than competition.

They're competing the 16GB XT against the 8GB Ti since the 16GB XT is still 30$ cheaper (if MSRP holds).

I see an RX 6800 with RDNA 4 technology for £319 (includes VAT). Really not bad at all. I didn't dislike the 5060 Ti 16GB either, so equal performance for $80 less is even better.

Macro DeviceTen times nada is still nada. Stock outside US and UK is still insignificant.

Yeah, Nvidia stock is fine, but AMD is just being a dick supplying only 10x as many cards as Nvidia did on launch day. Am I the only one seeing some contradiction here?

Edit: I just had a look at a Hungarian webshop. There's plenty of 9070 and 9070 XT cards there.

AusWolfThere's plenty of 9070 and 9070 XT cards there.

For MSRP? If the answer is negative then it doesn't count.

AusWolfNvidia stock is fine

I never happened to think the nVidia's stock is okay. It's not, it doesn't exist. I also fail to see any RDNA4 GPU selling close to MSRP in my area. There's a dozen in stock and all these models are 1050+ USD (or 840+VAT). Yes, I'm talking 9070. XT is even more ridiculously expensive.

Upd: things changed since two days ago, now it's 950+ USD. Still beyond insanity.

Macro DeviceFor MSRP? If the answer is negative then it doesn't count.

I never happened to think the nVidia's stock is okay. It's not, it doesn't exist. I also fail to see any RDNA4 GPU selling close to MSRP in my area. There's a dozen in stock and all these models are 1050+ USD (or 840+VAT). Yes, I'm talking 9070. XT is even more ridiculously expensive.

Is there any Nvidia GPU that's selling for MSRP (outside the US and UK of course)? You're talking like there is.

Edit: I just looked at the Hungarian webshop again. The 5070 is selling for the equivalent of $760, the 9070 for the equivalent of $900, and the 5070 Ti for the equivalent of $1,100.

Edit 2: Meanwhile, in the UK, the 5070 is heavily discounted to MSRP level (no wonder, nobody wants that turd), the 9070 is £590, and the 5070 Ti is £780.

AusWolfIs there any Nvidia GPU that's selling for MSRP (outside the US and UK of course)? You're talking like there is.

5070 is very close to that. But that's not the point. I'm not saying nVidia are doing what they should, I'm only saying it sucks for both parties. I can't make it more obvious so if you still are thinking I'm defending nVidia that's UNTRUE and not on me.

Macro Device5070 is very close to that. But that's not the point. I'm not saying nVidia are doing what they should, I'm only saying it sucks for both parties. I can't make it more obvious so if you still are thinking I'm defending nVidia that's UNTRUE and not on me.

"Nvidia are doing what they should" - that pretty much sounds like a defence to me.
Scratch that, I misread your post.

The 5070 is an abomination even for MSRP, imo. Even here, that's the only card that's going close to that, because nobody wants it. A 12 GB card should be £400-450 tops.

Edit: It looks to me like it's retailers that are scalping the price, not Nvidia or AMD. Otherwise, why would there be such a massive price difference across regions?

AusWolfOtherwise, why would there be such a massive price difference across regions?

Both NV and AMD provide too little stock so the tailers can scalp all they please. Low supply makes their hand winning.

It wouldn't have been like that if someone decided to actively flood the market with their chips.

Macro DeviceBoth NV and AMD provide too little stock so the tailers can scalp all they please. Low supply makes their hand winning.

It wouldn't have been like that if someone decided to actively flood the market with their chips.

That won't happen as long as investors drool over every mention of the term "AI", unfortunately.

JediMindTricksPhew, my firstborn is safe. Told you those ridiculous $450 prices will not be MSRP

But they are more than likely to be street prices. I truly, truly hope you are right and there is plenty availability at 299 for the 8 GB and 349 for the 16 GB. But so far, MSRP has been a privilege reserved for the very lucky few.

Dr. DroBut they are more than likely to be street prices. I truly, truly hope you are right and there is plenty availability at 299 for the 8 GB and 349 for the 16 GB. But so far, MSRP has been a privilege reserved for the very lucky few.

I don't think the 8 GB version will be scalped much, just like the 5070 isn't, either. The combination of low VRAM and high price keeps shoppers at bay.

AusWolfBoth the 9070 XT and 5070 Ti have 16 GB VRAM. Just saying.

My bad, I wasn't really explicit on the subject, thanks for pointing it out.

The extrapolation was based only on games that didn't exhibit vram bottleneck at 2k in TPU's rasta benchmarks between both 5060ti's.
Plus I didn't take RT into consideration because unless it's mandatory, in this performance segment I think it's basically inrelevant. The average difference between 5060ti's at 2k rasta is 3% so didn't think it was worth the extra effort.

NSRThey're competing the 16GB XT against the 8GB Ti since the 16GB XT is still 30$ cheaper (if MSRP holds).

I could understand it from that perspective but it doesnt speak confidence in their product here honestly. And to be fair I dont think anyone was expecting the 9060XT to be too good anyway, since its literally half a 9070XT for almost half the price.

NSRI see an RX 6800 with RDNA 4 technology for £319 (includes VAT). Really not bad at all. I didn't dislike the 5060 Ti 16GB either, so equal performance for $80 less is even better.

I mean yea but you can sometimes find RX 6800's for cheaper, sometimes. But is it so much cheaper that its a better deal at the cost of losing a ton of RT performance? Who knows. Up to the potential buyers priorities I guess.

RT benches show that "buh RT" no longer applies.

With FSR 4 beating DLSS 3 AMD has greatly improved it's product line.

LabRat 891Useful for a time, then no one will care about 'em.

Because Huang will roll out superduperamazing perf/$ card in that price range.

AusWolf"Nvidia are doing what they should" - that pretty much sounds like a defence to me.
Scratch that, I misread your post.

The 5070 is an abomination even for MSRP, imo. Even here, that's the only card that's going close to that, because nobody wants it. A 12 GB card should be £400-450 tops.

Edit: It looks to me like it's retailers that are scalping the price, not Nvidia or AMD. Otherwise, why would there be such a massive price difference across regions?

I doubt retailers would be scalping, at least in some regions/country.
MSRP is respected in France for 5070 and even 5060 Ti (both 8 and 16GB models). 5070 Ti demand though is high enough to not systematically warrant a drop to MSRP (€880, equivalent $750 converted + 20% VAT at release day). Some retailers though are willing to offer sub-MSRP 5070 Ti if you can go directly in their physical shop, from time to time.

I don't know if it works like that in other countries, but France forbids retailers to sell at a loss, regardless of the products they sell (some exceptions exists, but most of them are about perishable products), the price taken into account does exclude transportation/import fees, financial advantages and some other things. Even wholesalers can't sell their product for a price that is below 90% of the price they paid for. The only exception is during sales periods, which are also defined by the government, for equality between every retailer (physical or online) - read it as "keeping the market fair and competitive" basically. And even then, some conditions apply, as explained here.
Very rough and quick translation to get to the point : Retailers must have obtained their stocks of products and put them for sale at least 1 month prior to the beginning of the sales period in order to be able to sell them at loss, sales price is only for a part of the inventory (not the whole stock of products), and with no possibility to restock. It is also forbidden to order a product solely with the goal of selling it during sales period.

The fact the 9070 XT doesn't drop below €780-800 for all 2-3 major PC tech retailer chains (+ Amazon) in France tells me they're most likely currently blocked from doing so, either because it would eat in their margins (most likely scenario), or simply because they paid so much for them so they can't go lower (and then, we could wonder what was the initial target price before the rebate). In both cases, you need to consider VAT since the government takes (part of) it back from retailers. But 5070 Ti models going below its €880 MSRP also means they have some price room to maneuver with these models in the first place. Summer sales will officially start on the Wednesday last week of June so if my understanding is correct, our tech retailers in France could be forced to keep these 9070 XT prices up until then.

AMD may have really screwed us up in France.

ATP the 5060ti-4060ti have been outdated. Regarding the price you can predict a times*2 e-shop real price on average.

ScattergruntI could understand it from that perspective but it doesnt speak confidence in their product here honestly. And to be fair I dont think anyone was expecting the 9060XT to be too good anyway, since its literally half a 9070XT for almost half the price.

5060 Ti 8GB GDDR7 vs. 9060 XT 16GB GDDR6. It'd be another story if both of those were on the same generation of VRAM.

Speaking from experience, (up until you truly overwhelm the VRAM buffer) a 'half-capacity, GDDR+1' card can meet-beat a 'double-capacity, GDDR-1' card. Since nVidia has cornered GDDR7 this generation, I think it's a fair comparison.

NSRI see an RX 6800 with RDNA 4 technology

No such thing