Hecate91buggy drivers, melting power connectors, missing ROPs, removal of 32 bit Phsyx, and other things like no hotspot sensor or fake MSRP's.

Repeating the same stuff ad nauseum. Thats the whole reason these kinds of videos exist. Cause people exactly like you hate nvidia and so content creators are just posting anti nvidia crap to milk you. Its called clickbait.

Where are the articles the videos and the reports about melted 9070xts? Let me guess, sapphire managed to fix the 12vh cable and so the sapphire 9070xt doesnt melt, amiright?

JustBenchingHave you seen the megathread on amds reddit with thousands of users experiencing a variety of issues?

To be honest that doesn't really mean much.

A good 75% of the post on reddit that I see are from novice users and people that has no clue what they are doing. I will sometimes go in there and question them I once asked a guy if he manual set the vsoc on his AM5 board and the response is what is that?

You have no way of telling if that person knows anything about computers or first time builders, the status of their windows install etc. Some of them tweak the crap out of their systems just blindly following YouTube guides yet fail to mention that in their post. Its just a generic post saying this card sucks or these drivers are terrible.

As someone that has been doing this for along time I red flag those post immediately.

9% performance improvement just from driver update alone that's probably better result than performance uplift between RTX 5080 and RTX 5080 Super without changing the name!

Mr. PerfectI honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

Seriously thought it was AI or a bot.

LittleBroI don't want to argue with anyone. Just saying I so far have had no problems with drivers on RX 5700 XT, RX 7800 XT, RX 9070 XT.

I guess I'm damn lucky.

No you are not lucky! I'm also was using RX 5700 XT, RX 7800 XT, RX 7900 XT, RX 9070 XT and there was no issues as i remember.

In some places RX 9070 XT sells out better than its competitors.

JustBenchingRepeating the same stuff ad nauseum. Thats the whole reason these kinds of videos exist. Cause people exactly like you hate nvidia and so content creators are just posting anti nvidia crap to milk you. Its called clickbait.

I'm repeating it because the nvidia fans keep acting like none of those issues ever happened, or keep on happening with the 12vhpwr connector. And that is exactly what I mean, you always jump to conclusions and label factual things as "hate" or "clickbait" because your favorite brand isn't being praised for being the best thing ever. The only ones I see calling HUB or GN anti-Nvidia, clickbait, or haters are the ones drinking the green koolaid, not even bothering to check the the video before complaining someone is criticizing their favorite brand.

JustBenchingWhere are the articles the videos and the reports about melted 9070xts? Let me guess, sapphire managed to fix the 12vh cable and so the sapphire 9070xt doesnt melt, amiright?

What reports of melting 9070's? The cable is nvidia's design forced onto the market with insufficient testing so melted cables are still on them for pushing a defective cable on everyone.

Chomiq



Some cherry picking in the news to get a clickbait headline but sure.

It's myth people actually playing CS at 4K.

Exciting!

AMD’s top of the line GPU has officially graduated out of mid-range performance.

Hecate91The cable is nvidia's design forced onto the market with insufficient testing so melted cables are still on them for pushing a defective cable on everyone.

False, and you know it. Stop posting lies.

I'm very pleased with my 9070XT. I wish there were a performance tier card option from AMD this generation, but hopefully next!

This doesn't count as a surprise for me because the move from RDNA3 to RDNA4 is more substantial than just number change, it's good that this arch gets better as it mature by AMD finetuning the driver. You can read about what major changes in RDNA4 at chips and cheese article:

chipsandcheese.com/p/rdna-4s-out-of-order-memory-accesses

chipsandcheese.com/p/dynamic-register-allocation-on-amds

as well as overhyping the Steam hardware survey.

Have you had your daily does of copium, so because it favors Nvidia is has to be a scam and wrong?

JustBenchingRepeating the same stuff ad nauseum. Thats the whole reason these kinds of videos exist. Cause people exactly like you hate nvidia and so content creators are just posting anti nvidia crap to milk you. Its called clickbait.

Where are the articles the videos and the reports about melted 9070xts? Let me guess, sapphire managed to fix the 12vh cable and so the sapphire 9070xt doesnt melt, amiright?

The purpose of the tests are to determine how current drivers perform because old tests become inaccurate due to newer drivers changing video cards’ performances. This is relevant because Nvidia usually starts with inheriting a fundamentally sound architecture from the previous generation so does not have too much room to tweak to get more performance with the new generation, while AMD usually changes the basic architecture more from generation to generation, so AMD has more work to do in order to extract performance from its newer generation hardware. Also, GPU drivers from all companies do have the occasional app which fails with their drivers. Such driver re-reviews can be valuable especially if newer drivers make a card perform so much better that the recommendation changes.

The video had at least two games that the RTX 5070 Ti lost to the RX 9070 XT with its day one driver: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 and Call of Duty: Black Ops 6. With the current drivers, the RTX 5070 Ti now wins over the RTX 5070 Ti in Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2, but still loses to the RX 9070 XT in Call of Duty: Black Ops 6. If this was an anti-Nvidia hit piece, this updated driver re-review would have skipped Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2.

Also, Sapphire does fix several of the problems that plague Nvidia cards regarding the 12V-2x6 power connector. First, Sapphire’s RX 9070 XT Nitro+ draws less current than the RTX 4090, RTX 5080, and RTX 5090. Sapphire’s RX 9070 XT Nitro+ draws less current than what the 12V-2x6 should really be rated for, which looks like it should be around 450 sustained watts or less. Second, Sapphire draws current from both sides of the 12V-2x6 socket and places fuses on both sides of the socket so that if one side overdraws current, that fuse on that side will blow and shut the card down. Nvidia’s Founders Edition cards can’t balance current draw on their 12V-2x6 sockets so it is prone to drawing current from one side of the socket, creating an imbalance in current on the 12V-2x6 cable. Nvidia’s partners’ cards aren’t as prone to biasing the current draw on the 12V-2x6 sockets because they draw current from both sides of the socket.

In his message, Huynh stated that "Project Amethyst is a co-engineering effort between PlayStation and AMD focused on machine learning-driven graphics and gameplay innovations, built around two core goals". The first of these is "designing an architecture optimized specifically for machine learning workloads in gaming". The second is "eveloping high-quality neural networks that push the boundaries of real-time game graphics".

Interested to see how RDNA 4 fits into that picture, i.e. what the scope for improvement is and whether it will age like modern wine.

Hecate91What reports of melting 9070's? The cable is nvidia's design forced onto the market with insufficient testing so melted cables are still on them for pushing a defective cable on everyone.

Sure sure, no problem, it's nvidias fault if the 9070xt using 12vh are burning. My question is, where are the reports, news articles, reddit posts and youtube videos about the burning 9070xts? Or the 12vh is safe now?

ThomasKWorst part is this childish behavior, simply because they need to have the last word on everything. Gen-z is honestly a pain in the ass to deal with.

no u ;)

KritNo you are not lucky! I'm also was using RX 5700 XT, RX 7800 XT, RX 7900 XT, RX 9070 XT and there was no issues as i remember.

In some places RX 9070 XT sells out better than its competitors.

Yep, glad I held out and got a 5060 Ti instead. Gonna have to see how ROCM 7 and Intel's new cards are gonna perform, but if things stay the same and the 5070 Ti supers are priced the same as the non-supers I might actually pick one up (if the 3090 market doesn't get cratered after it's release lmao)

jnv11The video had at least two games that the RTX 5070 Ti lost to the RX 9070 XT with its day one driver: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 and Call of Duty: Black Ops 6. With the current drivers, the RTX 5070 Ti now wins over the RTX 5070 Ti in Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2, but still loses to the RX 9070 XT in Call of Duty: Black Ops 6. If this was an anti-Nvidia hit piece, this updated driver re-review would have skipped Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2.

Oh you misunderstood me, I wasnt calling hub's video clickbait. That one is fine - was talking about a GN video posted. Regarding hub's video, seems like it's more of a cpu issue that's been fixed with amd rather than gaming performance itself, cause whatever gains they got at lower resolution didn't work at 4k - which is kinda mysterious.

JustBenchingAnd im sure X person will chime in and tell you they have no problems with their RTX 5000. And yet you just callem them "a mess". Based on what? Do you have any actual study conducted on stability of drivers between amd and nvidia? Have you even used an RTX 5xxx?

JustBenchingRepeating the same stuff ad nauseum. Thats the whole reason these kinds of videos exist. Cause people exactly like you hate nvidia and so content creators are just posting anti nvidia crap to milk you. Its called clickbait.

Where are the articles the videos and the reports about melted 9070xts? Let me guess, sapphire managed to fix the 12vh cable and so the sapphire 9070xt doesnt melt, amiright?

JustBenchingSure sure, no problem, it's nvidias fault if the 9070xt using 12vh are burning. My question is, where are the reports, news articles, reddit posts and youtube videos about the burning 9070xts? Or the 12vh is safe now?

Dude, wrap it up already. Even users here on TPU reported problems with RTX 5000 series. (In this thread for example: Chomiq.)
As for 12V2x6 pin, not it's not safe. Sapphire and ASrock cards are lower TBP cards, they require less current to be delivered to them.
Though this does not save them from facing issue when current is distributed unevenly.
Give it some time and I'm sure we'll hear about connector problems on Sapphire Nitro and ASRock Taichi cards.

More people have driver issues with RTX 5000 cards than have users of RX 9000 cards. Worse thing is: RTX 5000 cards driver issues are more serious - they affect system stability.
Nvidia fucked up something with RTX 5000 series pretty good. It was obvious from the first time when even reviewers encountered issues when testing RTX 5090 and 5080.
They suspected PCIe 5.0 implementation to be a culprit, because when they switched link speed to 4.0, problems were mitigated. Nvidia blamed motherboard makers.
The reality is: no RX 9000 card required mobo BIOS update or any sort of PCIe 5.0 problem mitigation. PCIe 5.0 was simply not problematic on RX series. This actually says a lot.

Then the issues with drivers started emerging more and more as Nvidia kept trying to fix compatibility issues.
Many new drivers broke things for older RTX cards (specifically RTX 3000 and 4000 series). You can find users reporting problems in TPU particular news post about new drivers.
Don't tell me to go read some Reddit posts. I've been through Nvidia's own forums multiple times. I'm telling you to go directly to Nvidia's own forums.
And so we keep going, 1 or 2 new driver release(s) per week, and still problems. This all points to a bigger problem, in my opinion.
Nvidia has been known for having good drivers for a long time. And now with new cards they suddenly lost all their wisdom and don't know how to make drivers?
I think they are trying to solve design flaw or hardware issue, or any unexpected behavior that they were not aware of before.
Drivers are problem because they break things (or lower performance) on older cards, things that have worked okay for months, or even years.
In other words: Continuous tries for fixing the RTX 5000 series via drivers led to opposite effect on older cards. That's why (I think) the Nvidia's drivers are a mess now IMO.

I think lexluthermiester was right about PCIe x8 problems (performance drops) of RTX 5060 (Ti) cards when paired with PCIe <5.0 mobos.
It does not work normally as you'd expect from previous generations when x8 link was used.

Heads up: With next generation the tables might as well turn again and we may end up with good old fashioned crappy AMD drivers again. Good times ahead!

As for why some people don't (seem to) have issues:
There will always be users that don't have problems or they don't notice anything unusual.
Every user has different use scenario, thus different statistical chance for problems to occur. Gaming 5 hours a week is not like gaming 5 hours a day.
Some people always update their drivers when new version gets released, some update once per 2 months, or less frequently.

TPU should share to hardware unboxed their testing method and you will se -9 gain for 9070 amd gpu :roll:

So much talking and no one pointed out that HUB picks settings that suits AMD the best , every normal outlet testing max settings not medium or high.

PerfectWaveTPU should share to hardware unboxed their testing method and you will se -9 gain for 9070 amd gpu :roll:

TPU is not testing medium settings like HUB to follow a AMD the best narrative

LittleBroAs for why some people don't (seem to) have issues:
There will always be users that don't have problems or they don't notice anything unusual.
Every user has different use scenario, thus different statistical chance for problems to occur. Gaming 5 hours a week is not like gaming 5 hours a day.
Some people always update their drivers when new version gets released, some update once per 2 months, or less frequently.

I'm one of those people, I'm using the nvidia-open drivers right now and enjoying myself. There were issues with blackwell support in ooba at first and new drivers breaking things on my cards (not hardware-wise! just had to roll back drivers so CUDA could work or an actual picture could be displayed or something, I don't remember) but they've been resolved now.

jnv11What was improved in Blackwell is better ray tracing (which I cheer, because there are effects that cannot be feasibly made without ray tracing), video encoding/decoding hardware improvements including support for 4:2:2 chroma video (great for pros), full DisplayPort 2.1a/b support (AMD, you need to catch up to Nvidia about this on your consumer lines!),

Curious what do you mean by full DP 2.1a/b on AMD's consumer lines? AMD RDNA 4 supports DP 2.1a. DP2.1b is simply just longer cables.

CraptacularCurious what do you mean by full DP 2.1a/b on AMD's consumer lines? AMD RDNA 4 supports DP 2.1a. DP2.1b is simply just longer cables.

Nvidia supports full DisplayPort 2.1a/b at UHBR20 speeds and below on its RTX 50 series. RDNA 4 consumer cards support DisplayPort 2.1a/b at UHBR13.5 speeds and below. DisplayPort allows use of 4 lanes, so UHBR20 maxes out at 80 Gbps including encoding overhead when all 4 lanes are used. UHBR13.5 maxes out at 54 Gbps including encoding overhead when all 4 lanes are used. This is an area where the RTX 50 series is ahead of AMD at for now.

CraptacularCurious what do you mean by full DP 2.1a/b on AMD's consumer lines? AMD RDNA 4 supports DP 2.1a. DP2.1b is simply just longer cables.

He means full UHBR20 bandwidth at 80Gbps that RTX 50 series supports. AMD is still using UHBR 13.5 at 54Gbps on RDNA4 for some reason.
Some say it's for cost reasons, but i dont buy that. If Nvidia with their notoriously high margins can put it on a $250 RTX 5050 then AMD could have easily done on a $699 RX 9070 XT and probably their entire RDNA4 line.

Also it's not a die limitation. RDNA3 was already fully capable of 80Gbps as it was enabled on their Pro series cards that used the exact same Navi dies that consumer models did. It's just a PCB decision whether to enable it or not.

That's actually quite impressive just from driver updates. Spider Man especially, a whopping 27%.