Tuesday, August 19th 2025

Phison Responds to Windows 11 24H2 Update Crashing SSDs

Yesterday we reported on Windows 11 24H2 security update as part of the August 2025 Patch Tuesday cycle to counter the Lumma stealer and similar malware and exploits. The cumulative package KB5063878 included in the update caused SSDs to fail, possibly corrupting data. Community testing has since identified a reproducible pattern in which certain SSDs, when running sustained sequential writes of approximately 50 GB, become inaccessible and display unreadable SMART telemetry. Additionally, under 60% or higher controller load, most of the SSDs failed. This indicates that Microsoft's patch and some controller firmware may be disagreeing in the logic of operations. However, Phison, as one of the makers of the impacted controllers, has decided to be vocal about it and informed Tom's Hardware that the company is actively looking into the issue.
Phison for Tom's HardwarePhison has recently been made aware of the industry-wide effects of the 'KB5063878' and 'KB5062660' updates on Windows 11 that potentially impacted several storage devices, including some supported by Phison. We understand the disruption this may have caused and promptly engaged industry stakeholders. We are steadfast in our commitment to product integrity and the success of our partners and end users. At this time, the controllers that may have been affected are under review and we are working with partners. We will continue to provide updates and advisories to partners who may have been impacted to provide support and ensure any applicable remediation.
Source: Tom's Hardware
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97 Comments on Phison Responds to Windows 11 24H2 Update Crashing SSDs

#76
mechtech
remixedcatAll controllers are affected
Yikes. Even scarier!!
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#77
R-T-B
mechtechYikes. Even scarier!!
I'm neither convinced of this, nor that it's exclusively a Phison issue. Right now there is far too much noise data to really say.

I can only really say that my sample of 6 Crucial P5 Plus drives and one Optane P5800X have done fine. That doesn't mean much statistically, but both those use none-Phison, in-house controllers, with ram (other than the Optane).
SoraI'm going to 100% call this not a windows update issue, but a thermal one.
Almost all these drives have been tested in SSD reviews to properly thermally throttle, so very doubtful IMO. (Some of the Gen 5 Phisons didn't, but that was exceptional and quickly fixed).

And if a MS update is causing a even slightly large percentage of drives to overheat, that's called drive eratta and should be accounted for. This is still an MS update issue as this should never had shipped.
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#78
Sora
R-T-BAlmost all these drives have been tested in SSD reviews to properly thermally throttle, so very doubtful IMO. (Some of the Gen 5 Phisons didn't, but that was exceptional and quickly fixed).
none of these drives have been tested on current post review firmwares.
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#79
stahlhart
Has anyone mentioned Sandisk controllers yet? Most of the drives here under Windows 11 are WD Black SN850X, and one SN750. No issues yet, but there are those Steam updates to Unreal engine games where they change three bytes of code and send you a 70Gb patch that would be concerning.
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#80
R-T-B
Soranone of these drives have been tested on current post review firmwares.
And? You expect global regressions in thermal throttling of all things? On Phison only?

Or are you trying to say no one tested if they fixed the Gen 5 throttle bug? Because buddy, the site you are posting on did.
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#81
Sora
R-T-BOr are you trying to say no one tested if they fixed the Gen 5 throttle bug? Because buddy, the site you are posting on did.
regressions can reappear at any point in the chain between firmware and hardware.
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#82
remixedcat
SoraI'm going to 100% call this not a windows update issue, but a thermal one.

Everyone reporting issues are in heatwave locations, and on controllers known to shit themselves at thermal


it is a Phison issue.

Properly made drives with properly made firmware are fine
Not this again....
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#83
R-T-B
Soraregressions can reappear at any point in the chain between firmware and hardware.
Can, but you have yet to establish they have in any capacity. I find this theory frankly, bogus.
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#84
Sora
R-T-BCan, but you have yet to establish they have in any capacity. I find this theory frankly, bogus.
So does Microsoft and Phison, nothing to see here, they say.
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#85
R-T-B
SoraSo does Microsoft and Phison, nothing to see here, they say.
Yeah you can say "trust the people selling you the product that seemingly and suddenly fails" all you want, but most of us aren't that dumb. Also note that neither Phison nor Microsoft has tied it to any kind of thermal loading failure. The line about thermals is just general PC advice.

By the way, I'm a security researcher with multiple reported vulnerabilities under my belt. I'd chose my next attempt to discredit me via appealing to authority carefully.
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#86
Sora
R-T-BBy the way, I'm a security researcher with multiple reported vulnerabilities under my belt. I'd chose my next attempt to discredit me via appealing to authority carefully.
Irrelevant, i don't appeal or blindly adhere to any authority, I look at numbers.

Security researchers are low on my list of respected groups, after the nonsense they brought with the meltdown and spectre hysteria, despite there being no way to actually pull off a drive by infection.

Anyhooo, 14,000 computers with 24h2, across several organisations, no failures across a mixed nvme or hdd spread, its time to call this BS.

The people correlating failures to this update are just statistical noise with drives that were ready to die.
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#87
R-T-B
SoraIrrelevant, i don't appeal or blindly adhere to any authority, I look at numbers.
You just did above. I'm not sure where you are getting numbers, but you aren't publishing them if you have any. Please do so if you have some. I need actual data and no one is providing it, admittedly.
Soradespite there being no way to actually pull off a drive by infection.
Thank prompt microcode patches for covering your ignorant ass here. Meltdown was not just theoretical, it was very bad. I had nothing to do with those (my speciality is more in the Intel ME region and general software security), but meltdown was absolutely proportional to what it was (Spectre less so, but we aren't marketing guys, we just report the stuff we find. You seem confused about our job role).
SoraSecurity researchers are low on my list of respected groups,
Did I ask or something? I get paid by the big companies you are appealing too, that's good enough for me.
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#88
remixedcat
SoraSecurity researchers are low on my list of respected groups
I'm one of those. And I've done QA for several companies. You have no legs to stand on here. And Microsoft isn't gonna clap for you like a seal here
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#89
chrcoluk
Right now I am leaning towards hysteria being the most likely thing here with neither drive or OS being to blame, I have seen a couple of articles which are claiming MS has told them telemetry hasnt shown anything abnormal, but I am still of low confidence due to the lack of a convincing and strong statement made clearing it.
The last thing we need is vendors moving on trying to just to turn a blind eye to it as that wont do any good for confidence.
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#91
A Computer Guy
remixedcatthe latest jayz 2 centz vid.... omg
Unfortunately jayz 2 centz testing is incomplete and thusly inconclusive.

Has there been any news indicating if this happens more on Intel or AMD systems?
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#92
remixedcat
A Computer GuyUnfortunately jayz 2 centz testing is incomplete and thusly inconclusive.

Has there been any news indicating if this happens more on Intel or AMD systems?
this is so wierd how some say its a phison issue yet I'm running into more people that have samsung and wd drives that have issues and I hear so little about it killing seagate drives... this is gettin wierder by the damn day. both in house controllers. one person I talked to w the same drive as me says it's fine but they got rid of the update just in case.
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#93
A Computer Guy
remixedcatthis is so wierd how some say its a phison issue yet I'm running into more people that have samsung and wd drives that have issues and I hear so little about it killing seagate drives... this is gettin wierder by the damn day. both in house controllers. one person I talked to w the same drive as me says it's fine but they got rid of the update just in case.
I do wonder if maybe MS "fixed" something that causes NVMe transfers to be more efficient and thusly perhaps NVMe controllers are overheating. Overheating controller could explain NVMe dropout from the system but of course I am grasping at straws here. Is there no hardware reviewer with ample NVMe/SSD samples between vendors working on confirming this issue if nothing more than just for clicks that brings in revenue?
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#94
remixedcat
A Computer GuyI do wonder if maybe MS "fixed" something that causes NVMe transfers to be more efficient and thusly perhaps NVMe controllers are overheating. Overheating controller could explain NVMe dropout from the system but of course I am grasping at straws here. Is there no hardware reviewer with ample NVMe/SSD samples between vendors working on confirming this issue if nothing more than just for clicks that brings in revenue?
we need a big source that's not linked w any manufacturers of ssds and controllers as well as ones that aren't sponsored by any of those either. pure unbiased and running all controllers, brands and configs too, both amd and intel systems, and trying not just the games mentioned but even video editors and digital audio workstations as well. we need a wider test than just a few games and handful of drives.
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#95
A Computer Guy
remixedcatwe need a big source that's not linked w any manufacturers of ssds and controllers as well as ones that aren't sponsored by any of those either. pure unbiased and running all controllers, brands and configs too, both amd and intel systems, and trying not just the games mentioned but even video editors and digital audio workstations as well. we need a wider test than just a few games and handful of drives.
Also when the issue is encountered some additional info like are they overclocking CPU or RAM at the time, did they change some factory default on the drive, are they running the bus clock over 100Mhz, did they try dropping NVMe speeds down, If no hardware changes are made can they reproduce the same problem with different OS, what do system temperatures look like when the problem happens, are they running a power hogging GPU known to have large power transients, etc....
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#96
remixedcat
A Computer GuyAlso when the issue is encountered some additional info like are they overclocking CPU or RAM at the time, did they change some factory default on the drive, are they running the bus over 100Mhz, did they try dropping NVMe speeds down, If no hardware changes are made can they reproduce the same problem with different OS, what do system temperatures look like when the problem happens, are they running a power hogging GPU known to have large power transients, etc....
yep, the more info the better cuz it would help everyone out. I was always super thorough when I did my beta testing and QA work.
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#97
Unregistered
After watching that J2C video, his observation seems to be identical to the problem I had mentioned earlier in this thread with 980/990 Pro drives dropping out of raid and requiring a full power cycle to re-appear, It must be something to do with the power management states of the drive causing the controller to bug out, not sure how to disable it on windows though, maybe "Link State Power Management"?
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