AusWolfDo you not understand that the timeline is irrelevant? RDNA 1 and 2 will get new game support. End of story.

Almost two weeks after this announcement, there still is not a driver that provides BF6 and Bloodlines 2 optimizations for those architectures.

LastDudeALiveAlmost two weeks after this announcement, there still is not a driver that provides BF6 and Bloodlines 2 optimizations for those architectures.

Almost 2 weeks after the announcement, there is still not a new AMD driver for any architecture. Which is normal. How often do you want a new driver? Every 6 hours? :confused:

Besides, chances are, those games work on the current driver just fine.

AusWolfAlmost 2 weeks after the announcement, there is still not a new AMD driver for any architecture. Which is normal. How often do you want a new driver? Every 6 hours? :confused:

Besides, chances are, those games work on the current driver just fine.

Not the gotcha you might think it was.

dgianstefaniNot the gotcha you might think it was.

The point is that game ready drivers every time something gets released is an Nvidia thing. And it doesn't mean that a game doesn't run with anything older. The expectations are being unrealistic here.

AusWolfThe point is that game ready drivers every time something gets released is an Nvidia thing. And it doesn't mean that a game doesn't run with anything older. The expectations are being unrealistic here.

Unrealistic according to you.

In reality, it is the competitive state of the market, the number 1 company offers such an experience and the number 2 does not. This is objectively negative for the second place contender (AMD). If they wanted to gain market share and/or overtake Nvidia, cutting first-class driver support (on products they were selling just 3 years ago) is not the way to do it.

This kind of short-sighted crap is why AMD continues to accrue a price discount. They insist on shooting themselves in the foot every time they get even remotely close to overtaking Nvidia in the race.

TechBuyingHavocUnrealistic according to you.

Unrealistic according to anyone who has ever had an AMD GPU.

TechBuyingHavocIn reality, it is the competitive state of the market, the number 1 company offers such an experience and the number 2 does not.

What experience? The ability to install a new version of driver regardless of the fact that your game probably runs with the old one just fine? That really sounds like an experience I'm missing out on! :rolleyes:

TechBuyingHavocThis is objectively negative for the second place contender (AMD).

Subjectively. It is your opinion.

TechBuyingHavocThis kind of short-sighted crap is why AMD continues to accrue a price discount. They insist on shooting themselves in the foot every time they get even remotely close to overtaking Nvidia in the race.

No. The kind of short-sighted crap is Nvidia users wanting the same kind of driver updates every 6 hours to mask the fact that the last one isn't doing its job. Once again: there is nothing wrong with running a game on an older driver. Heck, I don't even know what Mesa version my Linux installation is on. Because I don't care. Games just run. Accepting anything else as normal is the really short-sighted thing here.

If a game doesn't run on an old driver, it's because that driver is shit. Not because it lacks "new game support", which technically, should not even be needed to begin with. Drivers aren't supposed to support games. They're supposed to run your graphics card. They either do that, or they don't. End of.

AusWolfNo. The kind of short-sighted crap is Nvidia users wanting the same kind of driver updates every 6 hours to mask the fact that the last one isn't doing its job. Once again: there is nothing wrong with running a game on an older driver. Heck, I don't even know what Mesa version my Linux installation is on. Because I don't care. Games just run. Accepting anything else as normal is the really short-sighted thing here.

If a game doesn't run on an old driver, it's because that driver is shit. Not because it lacks "new game support", which technically, should not even be needed to begin with. Drivers aren't supposed to support games. They're supposed to run your graphics card. They either do that, or they don't. End of.

You are the one that is trying to portray AMD's dropping support as a "ok" thing. How is that a good thing for any consumers? We should be demanding more from companies, regardless of whether we get our demands met, instead of cheerleading for one side or another.

And before you classify me into a Nvidia consumer box, I have never bought Nvidia, only AMD. That doesn't reduce my disdain of AMD here one bit. The fact that they had to backtrack their PR (yes, only PR statements, the actual policy did not change in the fine print) means AMD recognizes the harm it did to itself here even if you don't see it.

TechBuyingHavocYou are the one that is trying to portray AMD's dropping support as a "ok" thing. How is that a good thing for any consumers? We should be demanding more from companies, regardless of whether we get our demands met, instead of cheerleading for one side or another.

And before you classify me into a Nvidia consumer box, I have never bought Nvidia, only AMD. That doesn't reduce my disdain of AMD here one bit. The fact that they had to backtrack their PR (yes, only PR statements, the actual policy did not change in the fine print) means AMD recognizes the harm it did to itself here even if you don't see it.

I'm not trying to portray dropping support as anything because they didn't drop support. They moved RDNA 1 and 2 into a different driver development branch. Those are not the same thing.

Another big plus for using GNU/Linux and having opensource graphics drivers. I still see optimizations and improvements for the old Radeon RX480 in my oldest PC :)

I went on the Arc train due to this.

Dr. DroThis PR is embarrassing. It's like they wrote an entire article to say effectively nothing, it's almost sycophantic. AMD press office when they're quiet are poets. Just get an engineer to actually explain it in detail without sugar coating anything at this point.

Anyway it'll be exactly as I explained in the thread. It'll be a 25.10 branch build for the remaining life of these GPUs.

GN isn't impressed, either:

It's one thing to make Navi 1x "legacy", but making Navi 2x "legacy" or legacy-like? WTF! Navi 1x never had RT, so it does look like time to retire Navi 1x by now. At least Navi 2x has RT, and reportedly is still being sold! I'm disappointed with this, because even Navi 2x can run very new stuff good. Especially RX 6750 XT and the RX 6800 series.

RJARRRPCGPI went on the Arc train due to this.

It's one thing to make Navi 1x "legacy", but making Navi 2x "legacy" or legacy-like? WTF! Navi 1x never had RT, so it does look like time to retire Navi 1x by now. At least Navi 2x has RT, and reportedly is still being sold! I'm disappointed with this, because even Navi 2x can run very new stuff good. Especially RX 6750 XT and the RX 6800 series.

It is being sold, not just in desktop and laptop GPUs, but in handheld consoles too. How people can believe that relegating to a secondary driver update channel means "dropping support" for a still active product is beyond me.

Edit: Oh look, 25.11.1 has just come out, and it supports RDNA 1 and 2! Bonkers! :rolleyes:

AusWolfIt is being sold, not just in desktop and laptop GPUs, but in handheld consoles too. How people can believe that relegating to a secondary driver update channel means "dropping support" for a still active product is beyond me.

Edit: Oh look, 25.11.1 has just come out, and it supports RDNA 1 and 2! Bonkers! :rolleyes:

With a glaring caveat: there's two "25.11.1"s, and they are not the same.

TechBuyingHavocthe number 1 company offers such an experience and the number 2 does not. This is objectively negative for the second place contender (AMD).

Except it isn't. The majority of AMD customers are NOT nvidia customers. Those of us that are, aren't buying competing products.
It's called workstation not stopstation. We're far more likely to be glued to older games, run an OS other than Windows and tinker.
When we run studio stuff that needs multi-monitors, CUDA, NVENC, etc. we go to nvidia but outside that we're not hurting for drivers.
In fact it's more likely that we'll have better driver support from AMD when it comes to minimal desktop and server environments.
The nvidia app is a stupid piece of shit and I'm not alone in being glad that it isn't our problem when tinkering or gaming.

TechBuyingHavocThey insist on shooting themselves in the foot every time they get even remotely close to overtaking Nvidia in the race.

Put a pin in that. It won't age well.

Dr. DroWith a glaring caveat: there's two "25.11.1"s, and they are not the same.

Sure. And? Just download the one you need from AMD's website.

AusWolfSure. And? Just download the one you need from AMD's website.

Couldn't get easier to gloss over the entire problem than this... and this is why Nvidia's market share is 94% and still trending upwards

Dr. DroCouldn't get easier to gloss over the entire problem than this... and this is why Nvidia's market share is 94% and still trending upwards

What am I glossing over? What problem?

I keep being told that the sky is coming down, but everywhere I look, I see a big fat nothing. :wtf:

DaemonForceExcept it isn't. The majority of AMD customers are NOT nvidia customers. Those of us that are, aren't buying competing products.
It's called workstation not stopstation. We're far more likely to be glued to older games, run an OS other than Windows and tinker.
When we run studio stuff that needs multi-monitors, CUDA, NVENC, etc. we go to nvidia but outside that we're not hurting for drivers.
In fact it's more likely that we'll have better driver support from AMD when it comes to minimal desktop and server environments.
The nvidia app is a stupid piece of shit and I'm not alone in being glad that it isn't our problem when tinkering or gaming.

Put a pin in that. It won't age well.

What? AMD doesn't have that many Radeon customers vs what Nvidia does. I would argue that the majority of former and potential AMD customers are using Nvidia right now. What you are arguing about is the hardcore minority that uses AMD over Nvidia. There is a LOT of market share that AMD could be taking from Nvidia but moves like this one are not steps in the right direction.

TechBuyingHavocWhat? AMD doesn't have that many Radeon customers vs what Nvidia does. I would argue that the majority of former and potential AMD customers are using Nvidia right now. What you are arguing about is the hardcore minority that uses AMD over Nvidia. There is a LOT of market share that AMD could be taking from Nvidia but moves like this one are not steps in the right direction.

How much of the Nvidia users complaining are potential AMD customers turned away by some bad PR? How much of them are Nvidia fans who jump on every bad move AMD makes? How much are in between?

These are questions hard to answer.

AusWolfWhat am I glossing over? What problem?

I keep being told that the sky is coming down, but everywhere I look, I see a big fat nothing. :wtf:

Of course the sky isn't coming down right now. But wait until 25.10 is a couple of years old. We'll see then.

Dr. DroOf course the sky isn't coming down right now. But wait until 25.10 is a couple of years old. We'll see then.

Why 25.10? What prevents you from installing a newer driver?

AusWolfHow much of the Nvidia users complaining are potential AMD customers turned away by some bad PR? How much of them are Nvidia fans who jump on every bad move AMD makes? How much are in between?

These are questions hard to answer.

I'll guess most of the complaints here are the second question, the fans who would never buy an AMD card either, because we've seen in this thread that Nvidia can do no wrong no matter how bad or anti-consumer their PR is.

I think the whole separated driver stack is overblown, I've never panicked to install the latest drivers even when I had Nvidia cards. If the driver works, then I leave it alone, or at most skip a few driver versions, and IMO game optimizations should be on the game publisher, yet Nvidia has normalized that you need "game ready" drivers in order to launch the latest AAA game on launch day.

AusWolfWhy 25.10? What prevents you from installing a newer driver?

You're confounding "25.10.x" as in, "2025 October" public release and "25.10 code base".

No gaming optimizations, no big deal, it's not like games are going to run bad on these older graphics cards right?
It's good that AMD separated the old GPUs with the modern ones to better concentrate on each Gen for best software.

Hecate91I'll guess most of the complaints here are the second question, the fans who would never buy an AMD card either, because we've seen in this thread that Nvidia can do no wrong no matter how bad or anti-consumer their PR is.

I think the whole separated driver stack is overblown, I've never panicked to install the latest drivers even when I had Nvidia cards. If the driver works, then I leave it alone, or at most skip a few driver versions, and IMO game optimizations should be on the game publisher, yet Nvidia has normalized that you need "game ready" drivers in order to launch the latest AAA game on launch day.

I don't know about the others but I have ONLY bought AMD cards (I have a 6700 XT right now, I am adversely affected) and I am complaining because this is a worse consumer experience. I will complain about this regardless of the company. In this thread, it is AMD. When it is Nvidia's turn, I am always there to raise a stink.

It looks a lot like some AMD defenders are trying to pigeon-hole AMD complainers as Nvidia-only consumers to reduce the legitimacy of their statements. Attack the messenger and not the message, right? (See what I did here?)

TechBuyingHavocI don't know about the others but I have ONLY bought AMD cards (I have a 6700 XT right now, I am adversely affected) and I am complaining because this is a worse consumer experience. I will complain about this regardless of the company. In this thread, it is AMD. When it is Nvidia's turn, I am always there to raise a stink.

It looks a lot like some AMD defenders are trying to pigeon-hole AMD complainers as Nvidia-only consumers to reduce the legitimacy of their statements. Attack the messenger and not the message, right? (See what I did here?)

Eh, it's how it's always been.

Funniest thing is, considered I know the reasoning behind it, I'm actually quite tolerant of the idea (will admit it's because it doesn't affect me). But they simply cannot continue to do these things in the future, because when push comes to shove, they are placing existing customers by the wayside to deal with problems that shouldn't have occurred to begin with.