^^So basically maintenance mode means no redstone ie no FSR4 on RDNA2, even though we know It works perfectly on 6000 cards.

It doesnt really improve AMD's situation much, does it

R-T-BAreweanticheat is working on tracking the effort in getting kernel level anticheat working in linux for real. It's actually making headway, about 25% of kernel level anticheat games can work now.

Good. Fantastic. If we can get battlefield 6 and other titles working on linux, would be fantastic.

How I just hope heroic team actually integrates battle.net and EA Launcher into their software. Doubt they will though

sepheronxGood. Fantastic. If we can get battlefield 6 and other titles working on linux, would be fantastic.

How I just hope heroic team actually integrates battle.net and EA Launcher into their software. Doubt they will though

That is not going to happen because EA doesn't want it to happen. They already said no to Steam Deck support way before Valve could start testing it. EA hates Linux like the plague.

persondbIt's not just game optimization, but it's all the works on vulkan and directx extensions that RDNA 1/2 could have support for (hardware is capable of it) but it doesn't. Like say, cooperative matrix/vector for directx12 since that is unreleased as of yet.

Linux drivers often already have everything of that already implemented. And with that, it means game devs either don't use those new features (as RDNA 2 is still popular) or they use and now RDNA 2 has to go through a bad fallback that nobody really did well or just don't launch.

I recommend checking out the updated article here:
www.techpowerup.com/342481/amd-clarifies-maintenance-mode-for-radeon-rx-5000-6000-series-first-day-game-support-remains

AusWolfThat is not going to happen because EA doesn't want it to happen. They already said no to Steam Deck support way before Valve could start testing it. EA hates Linux like the plague.


I recommend checking out the updated article here:
www.techpowerup.com/342481/amd-clarifies-maintenance-mode-for-radeon-rx-5000-6000-series-first-day-game-support-remains

Probably, its possible unless others manage to find a way and there has been some workarounds.

Next option is running the games containerised like how Xbox series does it. Which some are currently working towards.

EA has been bought out and is all Saudi and what not money. I am hoping out of spite someone make an alternative.

y2faulty^^So basically maintenance mode means no redstone ie no FSR4 on RDNA2, even though we know It works perfectly on 6000 cards.

It doesnt really improve AMD's situation much, does it

There has been no official announcement on what is going to be supported on redstone.

And considering RDNA 2 lacks AI/ML hardware that maybe the case.

MakaveliActually I don't need to do anything.

AMD provided a follow up statement to clarify and this whole thing is over.

This doesn't affect me personally as i'm not using RDNA 2 and i don't need to be emotional or in my feelings about it.

And if the they did indeed cut support after 5 years I would simply just upgrade to a RDNA 4 gpu so i'm on something current.

This whole running to forums and complaining is not something I do I stick and move.

And to each his own.

This response from a MOD at THG is probably the best one i've seen on this whole situation.

Yeah, so, once again: The 6000 series which should and could easily get featureset improvements, will not get them.

'Applicable to'. You think this supports a good story but it really does not.
All you did with this post is double down on how blind you really appear to be, and it merely confirms what most here have been saying.

6000 series should simply be getting full FSR support, much like 7000 series. Both do not and it is a shitshow, especially coming from AMD the 'fine wine' company that rolls out features over a very long time. So not only are you at risk not having the promised features at launch now, but you also now pretty much know that it will probably never happen because AMD focuses primarily on the latest greatest. If the features would eventually be delivered, the wait is acceptable. But the current situation is basically a whole bunch of nothing.

The bottom line is, their support on GPUs right now is a complete shitshow.

If people are curious, I can show fsr4 working on my 6800xt on linux.

It goes in counter to what amd proclaims.

MakaveliThere has been no official announcement on what is going to be supported on redstone.

And considering RDNA 2 lacks AI/ML hardware that maybe the case.

you don't need AI hardware for int8 FSR4. It already works perfectly on 6000 cards with minimal jury rigging by the user.

AusWolfI recommend checking out the updated article here:
www.techpowerup.com/342481/amd-clarifies-maintenance-mode-for-radeon-rx-5000-6000-series-first-day-game-support-remains

None of what that article says contradicted what I wrote. They don't plan on doing anything except "essential patches for security vulnerabilities and critical issues" and if there is a big backlash of RDNA 1/2 having an issue in a game due to lack of support, they are pinky promising that they will go back to the old branch and fix it.

So, no, they are not planning anything and they won't implement new extension or features that the HW could support.

y2faultyyou don't need AI hardware for int8 FSR4. It already works perfectly on 6000 cards with minimal jury rigging by the user.

That does not mean it will be officially supported. Everyone has to wait for the redstone release.

"minimal jury rigging" is not going to be a release product.

I'm not sure most of you have noticed RDNA 1/2 have already been practically in maintenance mode when was the last time there was a driver release that provided a performance improvement on those products?

that's what we are saying.

FSR4 WORKS ALREADY on 6000 cards

but we won't be getting it because AMD won't bother.

y2faultythat's what we are saying.

FSR4 WORKS ALREADY on 6000 cards

but we won't be getting it because AMD won't bother.

do you self a favor it will cause you alot less headaches the future wait for official announcements from companies and not rely on tech tubers or leaks.

MakaveliThat does not mean it will be officially supported. Everyone has to wait for the redstone release.

"minimal jury rigging" is not going to be a release product.

I'm not sure most of you have noticed RDNA 1/2 have already been practically in maintenance mode when was the last time there was a driver release that provided a performance improvement on those products?

I believe the crux or the argument is that if it works without a major technical hurdle, as it has been demonstrably and provably been, official support becomes a matter of it being a toggle. Any such jury rigging has to occur because such toggle is not being provided.

The decision of forgoing FSR 4+ support on RDNA 3 and below is a business one. AMD wants to sell you an RX 9000 series GPU, instead of maintaining and adding value to the one you already have.

persondbNone of what that article says contradicted what I wrote. They don't plan on doing anything except "essential patches for security vulnerabilities and critical issues" and if there is a big backlash of RDNA 1/2 having an issue in a game due to lack of support, they are pinky promising that they will go back to the old branch and fix it.

So, no, they are not planning anything and they won't implement new extension or features that the HW could support.

Which part of "first day game support remains" isn't clear?

AusWolfWhich part of "first day game support remains" isn't clear?

But where does the addition ( or not) of Vulcan extensions and other such things that are coming into use fit in? Are they saying they won't add any new features even if the hw can support them, ( because they won't even try to see if they work)? I read this new Vulcan stuff might be needed for web browsers and "stuff". No programmer, just interested/ confused ( and 6900xt owner)

DrashBut where does the addition ( or not) of Vulcan extensions and other such things that are coming into use fit in? Are they saying they won't add any new features even if the hw can support them, ( because they won't even try to see if they work)? I read this new Vulcan stuff might be needed for web browsers and "stuff". No programmer, just interested/ confused ( and 6900xt owner)

Exactly - I don't see any mention of that anywhere. That's why I'd prefer not to jump to conclusions. As long as new game support is uninterrupted, I assume that the necessary extensions to run them will get added, too. But we'll see.

Erhem, 2 driver branches, read the article below to get informed

Something tells me that with the leak of int8 fsr4 and how people were able to get 6xxxx series running with fsr4 was something they didn't want so this news comes out regarding no new features.

eidairaman1Erhem, 2 driver branches, read the article below to get informed

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1985093561533268169

This PR is embarrassing. It's like they wrote an entire article to say effectively nothing, it's almost sycophantic. AMD press office when they're quiet are poets. Just get an engineer to actually explain it in detail without sugar coating anything at this point.

Anyway it'll be exactly as I explained in the thread. It'll be a 25.10 branch build for the remaining life of these GPUs.

GN isn't impressed, either:

sepheronxSomething tells me that with the leak of int8 fsr4 and how people were able to get 6xxxx series running with fsr4 was something they didn't want so this news comes out regarding no new features.

Bingo

Dr. DroThis PR is embarrassing. It's like they wrote an entire article to say effectively nothing, it's almost sycophantic. AMD press office when they're quiet are poets. Just get an engineer to actually explain it in detail without sugar coating anything at this point.

Anyway it'll be exactly as I explained in the thread. It'll be a 25.10 branch build for the remaining life of these GPUs.

GN isn't impressed, either:

This... and then there are the AMD simps saying all is well. Its like they wouldnt even budge if AMD sent a train at 100 mph their way 'this is fine'. It not being any news confirms exactly why this whole affair stinks so hard.

As if we should have already known AMD was applying minimal effort to RDNA on the PC... oh wait, we actually did.

eidairaman1Erhem, 2 driver branches, read the article below to get informed

Bit of an optics disaster (which seems to be an AMD feature these days) but at least they attempted to clarify. This line here:

By separating the code paths, our engineers can move faster with new features for RDNA 3 and RDNA 4, while keeping RDNA 1 and RDNA 2 stable and optimized for current and future games.

Seems to imply that RDNA1/2 will get the bare minimum features required for a game to run (eg: DirectX/Vulkan extensions as mentioned by Drash) but won't get "feature" features like FSR4+ or any new tech AMD come up with. Which kind of makes sense since RDNA1/2 have pretty rudimentary AI hardware and all new features will presumably be AI-based.

So overall, not all bad, just could've been communicated better. And again this is Windows-specific so you may be able to get the "feature" features under Linux anyway. It won't be officially supported, but it'll be there.

Dr. DroThis PR is embarrassing. It's like they wrote an entire article to say effectively nothing, it's almost sycophantic. AMD press office when they're quiet are poets. Just get an engineer to actually explain it in detail without sugar coating anything at this point.

Anyway it'll be exactly as I explained in the thread. It'll be a 25.10 branch build for the remaining life of these GPUs.

GN isn't impressed, either:

Tech jesus really went off on one. I chuckled. Not wrong though.

tpa-prBit of an optics disaster (which seems to be an AMD feature these days) but at least they attempted to clarify. This line here:

Seems to imply that RDNA1/2 will get the bare minimum features required for a game to run (eg: DirectX/Vulkan extensions as mentioned by Drash) but won't get "feature" features like FSR4+ or any new tech AMD come up with. Which kind of makes sense since RDNA1/2 have pretty rudimentary AI hardware and all new features will presumably be AI-based.

So overall, not all bad, just could've been communicated better. And again this is Windows-specific so you may be able to get the "feature" features under Linux anyway. It won't be officially supported, but it'll be there.

I just don't know what else people are expecting here. What else is a driver supposed to contain than "the bare minimum to make games run"? AMD already said RDNA 1/2/3 won't get FSR 4, so what else is there?

AusWolfI just don't know what else people are expecting here. What else is a driver supposed to contain than "the bare minimum to make games run"? AMD already said RDNA 1/2/3 won't get FSR 4, so what else is there?

I suspect it's a matter of AMD's GPU-agnostic technology coming back to bite them. "FSR can run on any GPU...except our own older ones, sorry". AMD creates the perception of their feature stack being able to run on any hardware, so why not their older hardware? And then the waters are further muddied when AMD says "FSR4 can't/won't run on the older hardware" only for the community to get it working under something like Linux.

With Nvidia if they say "our new tech won't run on older cards", people expect that and accept that. It's been Nvidia's modus operandi for the longest time, you know the deal as an Nvidia consumer, you must upgrade to get the shiny new features. With AMD it's a bit more messy.

tpa-prWith Nvidia if they say "our new tech won't run on older cards", people expect that and accept that. It's been Nvidia's modus operandi for the longest time, you know the deal as an Nvidia consumer, you must upgrade to get the shiny new features

Well, to be fair, that's because Nvidia puts new hardware in their new cards.