TheDeeGeePerfect for retro style Indie games.

For "retro style" games you can probably run them on Radeon RX 580 or GTX 1060 from like a decade ago...

RejZoRToo weak to really run anything, given 9GB of VRAM so it looks better than RTX 5060 8GB when it runs out of VRAM. What the F is NVIDIA smoking these days?

You might need to ask all the idiots who kept buying into Blackwell, after Ada was already a plateauing of performance in the midrange and Ampere was also a VRAM-positioning-stack shitshow.

I mean, fool me once, fool me twice, Nvidia must have drawn the conclusion at this point that its consumer base really is equipped with an IQ of 20. They're even buying the RT fairy tales. What's not to like? Inb4 the 6040 with 3,5GB that's actually just a refurbished 970, but now with DLSS8 so you can up your 10 FPS to 60.

mrnagantThis would be really nice. But that would require a 60W TDP decrease. You are asking for reduced CUDA cores and like half the clock speed.

2560 cuda, 50 W, 8.986 TFlops - rtx 4050m
2560 cuda, 50 W, 7.680 TFlops - rtx 5050m
3328 cuda, 45 W, 9.684 TFlops - rtx 5060m
4608 cuda, 50 W, 13.13 TFlops - rtx 5070m
3072 cuda, 50 W, 11.61 TFlops - rtx 4060m
3072 cuda, 115W, 15.11 TFlops - rtx 4060
2560 cuda, 130W, 13.17 TFlops - rtx 5050
3840 cuda, 145W, 19.18 TFlops - rtx 5060
4608 cuda, 180W, 23.70 TFlops - rtx 5060Ti 8GB
6144 cuda, 250W, 30.87 TFlops - rtx 5070

With the same amount of CUDA cores could rtx 5050 keep 80~85% of its performance with power lowered to <75W.

agent_x0072) Because 24Gbit memory isn't used anywhere consumer grade... yet

Check some notebooks with rtx 5090 mobile with 24GB VRAM.

Never seen something with such a uselessness. I don't know why, I guess maybe it's some kind of a failure on wanting actual customers back on their market. Jensen Huang is ahead of a 5 trillion dollar company, he will have to think harder and further than a gigabyte of VRAM more on one of the most hated cards with the 4060, even though it's looking real good for that card.

RejZoRFor "retro style" games you can probably run them on Radeon RX 580 or GTX 1060 from like a decade ago...

Former 1050 4gb here and I can confirm.

Nomad76NVIDIA is reportedly planning a second RTX 5050 variant with 9 GB of memory instead of the standard 8 GB, according to leaker MEGAsizeGPU who has a decent track record on NVIDIA leaks. Unlike the existing RTX 5050, which uses 8 GB of 20 Gbps GDDR6 memory on a 128-bit bus for 320 GB/s of bandwidth, the new model is said to adopt 3 GB GDDR7 modules. The updated configuration would total 9 GB across a 96-bit memory bus. While the narrower bus reduces interface width, the move to 28 Gbps GDDR7 would raise total memory bandwidth to 336 GB/s, a roughly 5% increase, alongside a 12.5% boost in VRAM capacity. Core specifications are expected to remain unchanged. The card would continue to use the GB207 GPU, based on the Blackwell architecture, with 2560 CUDA cores and a 130 W TDP. No changes to clock speeds or core counts have been mentioned.

The report also claims NVIDIA is preparing adjustments higher up the stack. A revised GeForce RTX 5060 may transition to the larger GB205 die, currently used in the RTX 5070, in a cut-down configuration. That would reportedly reduce the GPU from 6144 CUDA cores and a 192-bit bus to 3840 cores and a 128-bit interface. Such a move would require board partners to adopt new PCBs compatible with GB205 and standard 8-pin power connectors. According to the leak, these changes are tied to supply constraints affecting lower-tier RTX 50-series GPUs, including the RTX 5050 and RTX 5060. The GeForce RTX 5060 12 GB, which appeared in earlier roadmaps, is now reportedly canceled.

96b interface for 2026, I think NVIDIA is wanting to say something to us, while raising the middle finger progressively. Anyone?

Woah, one extra ENTIRE gigabyte? Man they’re really splurging on this one.

Vayra86You might need to ask all the idiots who kept buying into Blackwell, after Ada was already a plateauing of performance in the midrange and Ampere was also a VRAM-positioning-stack shitshow.

I mean, fool me once, fool me twice, Nvidia must have drawn the conclusion at this point that its consumer base really is equipped with an IQ of 20. They're even buying the RT fairy tales. What's not to like? Inb4 the 6040 with 3,5GB that's actually just a refurbished 970, but now with DLSS8 so you can up your 10 FPS to 60.

It's why I went with Radeon this generation. I had enough of NVIDIA bullshit. Is it ideal? No. Is AMD somehow better? No. But at least it's not NVIDIA. And I'm very happy with it.

zenlasermanstill crying about VRAM. Learn your settings smh

Because it's a real issue. If we adjust for the inflation and all that it's still apple-to-apple GPUs are struggling a lot more today than they did years ago. In 2016, for example, almost all next-gen GPUs available on the market had too much VRAM for gaming. Today, everything except 7900 XTX, 16-GB versions of 4060 Ti and 5060 Ti, and 5090, has too little.

I never ran out of VRAM on my R9 290 in 2017. That was a relatively low VRAM option only available on used market, using obsolete architecture and costing less than 150 bucks. Similarly specced 1060 3 GB used to cost around 370 to 440 dollars in today's money depending on how you count. And yes, 3 GB was enough for 1080p gaming 9 years ago. You were more likely to run out of raw GPU speed because 1060 isn't exactly the fastest card in the world.

Today you need to spend over 500 dollars to get a recent GPU that cool on VRAM. Or shoot yourself in the foot going AMD. We're not elitists, shrinkflation is real and it's more real with video cards than it is with your milk bottles.

DeltaHawk001To some degree yes, but the B580 is around that price with 12GB, and now multi frame generation, so the point of purchase starts to fall apart

Well, people want to buy Nvidia mostly, not Intel, not AMD. So the price is mostly whatever if it doesn't exceed Intel or AMD's equivalent too much

PC users, consider yourself consolized. This is all you can have. Enjoy. DLSS will cover you all the way to 8K. We have extra fake frames for you. They are the best fake frames.

If you want a REAL PC, you are gonna have to pony up $140,000 +tax. Like you are going to do anything about!!

windwhirlIt was a choice between 9 GB or 6 GB.

No it wasn't. It was a choice between existing 8GB and new 12GB, but they decided to go with 9GB by cutting the bus width from 128bit to 96bit and one less memory chip. The existing GB207 PCB can easily handle 4x3GB chips at 128bit. Literally the only change they would have had to do is swap the 4x2GB to 4x3GB and make a new vBIOS. Boom, done. A bit more expensive 12GB 50 series card that would have competed very well against Arc B580. Perhaps even made it meaningless.

Dr. DroGDDR7 configuration would be superior in both capacity and performance overall

G7 hasn't helped 50 series very much thus far. Unsure if it's because of relatively anemic 28Gbps speeds or because 50 series is a crossover architecture supporting both G6 and G7 and thus does not take full advantage if G7.

Dr. DroWould you rather they use three 2 GB chips so you'd land with a 6 GB model?

I would rather they kept the same 4 IC configuration and giving us 12GB without any other downgrades to existing PCB.

yfn_ratchetI just don't get why... a bump to 12G on 24Gb modules, sure, whatever, makes sense. 3060 12GB all over again. 9? A singular gigabyte up? What purpose would that serve other than to prevent a total dropoff when something edges too closely to an 8GB limit? Is that the entire reason for this card hitting market? To pad memory just enough to allow for DLSS in tandem with game presets targeted at 8GB cards?

My point exactly. Bump from 8GB to 12GB. Keep everything else the same. But no. Cant have a repeat of 3060 12GB that cannibalizes sales of other cards.
Need to micromanage and disable the fourth chip to arrive at anemic 96bit with a weird 9GB configuration to save a few pennies.
It's all the more hilarious that this comes from one of the richest companies out there right now. I would expect this kind of "optimizing" from an underdog.

Dr. DroObviously, the intention is to keep the product in the same tier. The objective is reducing BoM (bill of materials) without reducing its performance and specification. In this case, given GDDR7's performance advantage and the higher density of the chips, it actually gets a minor spec buff.

Segmentation for sure. A sane person would not create this much work for themselves with a new PCB revision just to avoid the fourth chip.

Dr. DroI can't be the only guy that actually likes the idea of this 9GB G7 5050? Especially if they can reduce power consumption figures a little bit with the removal of the fourth memory chip.

You're in the minority then it seems as most would have welcomed a 12GB spec instead even if it meant higher power and price.

TomorrowYou're in the minority then it seems as most would have welcomed a 12GB spec instead even if it meant higher power and price.

Tbh, I don't think it makes sense for this particular model. It's a 5050, there's less room for margins and I doubt you'd get much mileage out of an extra 4 GB of VRAM when the GPU itself is super limited.

Having an extra 8GB of RAM didn't seem to change things much for the two 5060 Ti models, aside four particular games, despite having like 80% more CUDA cores and being a purely GDDR7 model compared to the 5050. And don't bring up the 4K raster chart because that's definitely not the use case that this card is targeting.

www.techpowerup.com/review/gainward-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-8-gb/34.html

windwhirlTbh, I don't think it makes sense for this particular model. It's a 5050, there's less room for margins and I doubt you'd get much mileage out of an extra 4 GB of VRAM when the GPU itself is super limited.

Having an extra 8GB of RAM didn't seem to change things much for the two 5060 Ti models, aside four particular games, despite having like 80% more CUDA cores and being a purely GDDR7 model compared to the 5050. And don't bring up the 4K raster chart because that's definitely not the use case that this card is targeting.

www.techpowerup.com/review/gainward-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-8-gb/34.html

It would make perfect sense to compete with Arc B580 in performance and VRAM because currently 5050 8GB has a 4GB deficit and 5060 and 5060 Ti 8GB despite the 4GB deficit are in a different performance tier compared to B580.

When it comes to VRAM limitations then that's four games...so far. The number of games where 8GB becomes the limiting factor will only increase.
Nvidia agrees or they would have released a further cut down 6GB 5050 with G7.
So how is it that 6GB is defenetly not enough, but somehow 8GB is defenetly more than enough?

TomorrowSo how is it that 6GB is defenetly not enough, but somehow 8GB is defenetly more than enough?

Because this is the lowest-end GPU in the entire lineup? Of course the specs are going to be low-end.

The last time there was a 6GB model, it was the 3050. Seems to me like Nvidia has decided that building a 6GB model of anything now is just no longer a good idea at all because the engineering hours wasted on that would cost more than the actual money they'd earn on such a product.

If anything I'm a little surprised they didn't just EOL-ed the 5050 to spend those GDDR7 memory chips on every other product in the lineup starting with the 5060, but I'm guessing they don't want to give up the lowest-end market to Intel, since the B580 is $249 MSRP.

And all the hardware aside, when you buy Nvidia you buy into a bunch of other stuff that isn't just the number-crunching performance, so the price or the amount of RAM seems odd to you, but in Nvidia's mind it makes perfect sense.

9GB, seriously what is the fucking point like..? either do 12 or 16 and stop fcking about already

windwhirlI doubt you'd get much mileage out of an extra 4 GB of VRAM when the GPU itself is super limited.

I personally would get an absurd amount of value outta extra 4 GB because I use high quality texture mods in every single game they're available so I run outta VRAM pretty much immediately if I only have 10 GB or less. My 6700 XT despite healthy 12 GB (for its performance, it's really a lot!) begs me for mercy.

But it's just me, I understand it's not a big deal for an average 5050 buyer.

Smart, for 3 reasons:

1. One less GDDR module per card because it's got a 96bit bus, so they CAN PRODUCE MORE CARDS, very important in a supply constrained environment!
2. The PRICE CAN STAY THE SAME since: $ 4x 2GB GDDR6 ~ $ 3x 3GB GDDR7, while they can lower 8GB price if possible
3. Higher bandwidth AND higher VRAM due to the use of GDDR7, 1GB more can really help the games that need just 500MB or 800MB more, which is quite a few IIRC
   (Source: Daniel Owen's VRAM testing of the 5060Ti on YT)

All in all good upgrade to the 5050, if the price stays the same!
Would love to see them use GB206 with 24/36 cores enabled, instead of GB207 with 20/20, maybe calling it the 5050Ti, would be a great upgrade for GTX 1660, RTX 3050 6GB or even RTX 2060 6GB owners!
WHAT I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE is a 5060 12GB that would replace the current one, but that's probably expecting too much from nGreedia!

Dragam1337Why bother ? Cause they can reduce the bus = save money. That's all it's ever about.

It's about salvaging perfectly usable bins which would otherwise go to waste. It's not about saving cost primarily.
Nvidia (and sometimes AMD) usually does this to maximize the production output, and in these times, this will be appreciated.

As usual, there is a large number of forum members who are completely oblivious about the very usefulness of such GPUs, including but not limited to;
- Upgrades/replacements for older PCs
- Light gaming
- Anyone who wants good/updated video acceleration
- CAD, video editing and other "professional" uses
- Anyone who needs more monitors or higher resolutions
- Threadripper or Xeon-W buyers who don't game
(- Buyers of used server gear who wants to use it for desktop use)
And much more.

I wish they also had a "5040"/"5030" model of about half this performance but otherwise the same feature set, as will would serve as an excellent option for many (even temporarily in some cases). And don't suggest getting an old GTX 1060 etc, those will not have the same level of driver support and other features going forward.

efikkanIt's about salvaging perfectly usable bins which would otherwise go to waste. It's not about saving cost primarily.
Nvidia (and sometimes AMD) usually does this to maximize the production output, and in these times, this will be appreciated.

As usual, there is a large number of forum members who are completely oblivious about the very usefulness of such GPUs, including but not limited to;
- Upgrades/replacements for older PCs
- Light gaming
- Anyone who wants good/updated video acceleration
- CAD, video editing and other "professional" uses
- Anyone who needs more monitors or higher resolutions
- Threadripper or Xeon-W buyers who don't game
(- Buyers of used server gear who wants to use it for desktop use)
And much more.

I wish they also had a "5040"/"5030" model of about half this performance but otherwise the same feature set, as will would serve as an excellent option for many (even temporarily in some cases). And don't suggest getting an old GTX 1060 etc, those will not have the same level of driver support and other features going forward.

Lol what ? How is this gonna "salvage" anything ? That's not how it works...

wow, why 9 GB? why not 8.5 GB?:D (remember the 970 RAM-gate LMFAO - although I used 970 and it was OKay totally:rolleyes:)

and will it be again some f..n "china-speziale" (like 1060.5 GB)?:rolleyes::kookoo::oops:

Lew ZealandAlmost all of those specs would be fine if they just changed one:

70W slot powered. That would make it a fine drop in gpu for an old office machine at $199-229.

lol.. kindda slapping "turbo" kit for 25 years old car - for WHAT?:rolleyes:
adding modern GPU won't "boost" your old office typewriter...:) if we talk about "office" machine with "i7" and "16+ GB RAM" - more like real WORKSTATION, then "YEAH SURE let the fun begin";)

Upcoming: 9GB RTX 5050 vs GTX 3060!

Gonna need moar popcorn.

windwhirlAnyway, I don't see why people are crazy about the RAM this GPU has. 9 or 8 GB is enough for the people that this product targets.

Yeah no...

The price for a 5050 should be in 150 - 200 range.

RejZoRIt's why I went with Radeon this generation. I had enough of NVIDIA bullshit. Is it ideal? No. Is AMD somehow better? No. But at least it's not NVIDIA. And I'm very happy with it.

Same here RX 9060XT :rockout:

mroofieThe price for a 5050 should be in 150 - 200 range.

That's never coming back unless there's some breakthrough in manufacturing that cuts down costs, and this is Nvidia. You pay for the hardware itself and all the other software-side stuff plus the brand itself.

Plus RAM debacle.

I see zero problems with this as long as the packaging is smart.
No reason to be a full size card but also 50/50 that anyone buys it.
As a HHHL card it could easily replace my Quadro and offer new NVENC.

RejZoRFor "retro style" games you can probably run them on Radeon RX 580 or GTX 1060 from like a decade ago...

For "retro" games the RX 580 is too much and the 5050 already runs circles around mine.
These older cards are more than ideal for gaming and screensharing at a locked 60FPS.

DaemonForceI see zero problems with this as long as the packaging is smart.
No reason to be a full size card but also 50/50 that anyone buys it.
As a HHHL card it could easily replace my Quadro and offer new NVENC.

For "retro" games the RX 580 is too much and the 5050 already runs circles around mine.
These older cards are more than ideal for gaming and screensharing at a locked 60FPS.

I've not put it to the test yet, but I suspect even iGPU in AM5 Ryzens (2 CU only) might be enough for a lot of indie games. If you grab APU then you don't even need a discrete graphic card.

RejZoRFor "retro style" games you can probably run them on Radeon RX 580 or GTX 1060 from like a decade ago...

if you find one ALIVE (I have 1060 working no-mined), I know one who tries to sell RX 580 no-mined working but for price you could get new 3050 (at least 6 gb version but cmon it's day and night) like it's 2018 lol, but otherwise most of them are overmined 100 times resoldered half-dead CRAP.