Friday, October 8th 2010

AMD Rebranding HD 5770 and HD 5750 to HD 6700 Series

Earlier today, we were treated to the first picture of the Radeon HD 6870, a new and upcoming performance graphics card from AMD. It was also learned that the HD 6870 is based on a new GPU codenamed "Barts", which is intended to be a successor to the previous-generation "Juniper" GPU, which was at the center of the Radeon HD 5700 desktop and Mobility HD 5800 series. That left some uncertainty as to what GPU was going to drive the sub-$199 HD 6700 series. AMD may have found an answer, rebranding.

AMD seems to have been on the crossroads of which naming scheme to adopt. The first scheme based on conventional logic tells users that Barts-based SKUs should sit in the HD 6700 series, and Cayman-based single-GPU SKUs in the HD 6800; while the second scheme promotes Barts to the HD 6800 series, and Cayman to the HD 6900 series, pushing the low-volume, high-end Antilles (dual-Cayman) graphics card to the HD 6990 SKU. Evidently, AMD chose the newer, second scheme. The only rationale that makes sense is that the x800 series seems to be very popular, and if Barts, with its radically redesigned SIMD components can perform on par or better than the HD 5800 series SKUs, that's enough to justify its upwards push.
Since the new performance SKU will be labeled HD 6800 series, that leaves some vacuum with the HD 6700 series. The solution to this came in the form of a perceptually bad practice of rebranding Juniper-based SKUs to HD 6700 series. There is a possibility of AMD stepping up clock speeds, or adding software features to the HD 6700 series, but that's as far as we can see the Juniper going. "Turks" and "Caicos" are new GPUs, that trail behind in the HD 6600, HD 6500, and HD 6400 Series, respectively.Source: ATI-Forum.de
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140 Comments on AMD Rebranding HD 5770 and HD 5750 to HD 6700 Series

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newtekie1
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Steevo said:
Computer Hardware,Video Cards & Video Devices,Desk...

$329 with INSTANT rebate, no MIR crap, voltage control, better cooler.

EDIT....

They changed it, it was another brand with instant rebate.
The $299 one was always with a MIR, there wasn't any with a Intant rebate when I looked and posted. In fact, I've never seen a newegg product with an Instant rebate(except for the occasional "see price in cart" thing that knocks maybe $5-10, but there was none of those in the HD5870 area or any ATi card, and there is a reason we only see them on nVidia cards;)). Anyway, we should probably get back to the topic.
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#3
Athlonite
after this bit of news I may just buy a second HD5770 and go CF and then wait and see what happens with 7xxx series
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newfellow


Consider not a single ATI card still would be working. I was laughing few days ago when some fellow dumped on 'AMD Blog' latest v10.9 Catalyst announce thread "Yeah, new driver is up, but when do you start to support 3D ?"

Now, this crap o sure like people wouldn't already be angry enough of AMD crap they keep pulling and not supporting even basic gaming needs.
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newtekie1
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newfellow said:


Consider not a single ATI card still would be working. I was laughing few days ago when some fellow dumped on 'AMD Blog' latest v10.9 Catalyst announce thread "Yeah, new driver is up, but when do you start to support 3D ?"

Now, this crap o sure like people wouldn't already be angry enough of AMD crap they keep pulling and not supporting even basic gaming needs.
3D support is a basic gaming need? Since when?

As a gamer, I'm perfectly happy gaming on my AMD graphics cards. They really haven't done anything to piss of anyone, other than a few fanboys that will find something to bitch about no matter what.
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cadaveca
My name is Dave
I dunno about that, Newtekie, the cursor corruption i get while using DisplayPort is pretty frustrating. And that's not me just bitching(becuase I DO do that alot), it's in the release notes for 10.9

That's a year that the problem has existed, and they have failed to fix it.

And because you must use DP for Eyefinity....5-series new stuff = fail(nothing else new, really added with 5-series, other than lowered power consumption and DX11..DX11 is useless, but that's not AMD's fault, and the power savings are gone with new drivers too..at least, the power savings advertized at launch aren't possible...)

If I use DVI only, not many problems, well other than Crossfire scaling. GTX460's in SLi are beating 5870's.

They've done LOTS to piss of gamers, you just don't run a config affected by the issues...but in the end, that doesn't mean there isn't any.

Need I mention the gamers that have cards overheating because the fan fails to spin up?

Fortunately, none of these issues seem present on the 5770, and seem confined to Cypress-based cards. And those Cypress chips are being replaced...so if they rebrand, and get a chance to pull in more profit, that's fine by me. It's kinda crappy that many people will think 6770 is better than 5770...but that's kinda neither here nor there.
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bear jesus
cadaveca said:

They've done LOTS to piss of gamers, you just don't run a config affected by the issues...but in the end, that doesn't mean there isn't any.
I agree, many people including me have ati setups that work great but there are a lot more problems with bigger supposedly better soloutions, crossfire and eyefinity are two setups that have caused many problems thus why i have been willing to hold off on them.
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cadaveca said:
I dunno about that, Newtekie, the cursor corruption i get while using DisplayPort is pretty frustrating. And that's not me just bitching(becuase I DO do that alot), it's in the release notes for 10.9

That's a year that the problem has existed, and they have failed to fix it.

And because you must use DP for Eyefinity....5-series new stuff = fail(nothing else new, really added with 5-series, other than lowered power consumption and DX11..DX11 is useless, but that's not AMD's fault, and the power savings are gone with new drivers too..at least, the power savings advertized at launch aren't possible...)

If I use DVI only, not many problems, well other than Crossfire scaling. GTX460's in SLi are beating 5870's.

They've done LOTS to piss of gamers, you just don't run a config affected by the issues...but in the end, that doesn't mean there isn't any.

Need I mention the gamers that have cards overheating because the fan fails to spin up?
I'm not denying that problems don't exist, never did I do that.

My point was about basic gaming needs, and I don't see AMD failing in that aspect.

Eyefinity and Displyport are not part of basic gaming needs, IMO.

I haven't heard anything about the fans failing to spin up though.

And crossfire scaling has always been shitty...
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pantherx12
Dvi I'm sure wasn't part of basic gaming needs once upon a time either, maybe ATI are trying to push it as a new standard (remember they do have links with many monitor companies, some are design display specifically designed for eyefinity in mind for example)
And if it does become standard then ATI can go back to having a full length exhaust rather than one part blocked by dvi ports. ( can fit 8 mini display ports in the same space as 2 dvi + 1 hdmi I think) Perhaps even single slot cards that actually exhaust decently (3 mini dp and exhaust).

It will bring more options to the client and that's good for everyone even if they decide eyefinity isn't for them/know about it all.

I like display port tis not to bad IMO.
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cadaveca
My name is Dave
There are at least to other users besides me that have started threads about it...RebelStar and one other user...

I agree on the Eyefinity and not on Displayport...it's a standardized connector, on many monitors, and while isn't part of regular gaming, it IS part of regular usage...it even affects those that DON'T game, as it occurs more often on desktop than in 3D. It's VERY basic that your monitor connections should work properly.

Crossfire scaling took a huge dump recently(as I'm sure you remeber I've been kinda looking into exactly that problem). it wasn't bad before...4890's get near 100%....but not now.


At this ponit in the game, I cannot recommend anyone buy ATi cards. I love ATi, but these out-standing issues need to be addressed before AMD is turned into a "buy" for me. To me, it's great that the ATi brand is going bye-bye...because what it previously stood for no longer hold true...


I don't think ATi would re-brand cards, but it seems it's not beyond AMD.
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#11
f22a4bandit
Where is the solid evidence that this lineup is a complete rebrand? If it's just bumping one to fill in a gap, whatever. Until we see reviews, all of this is just speculation, so slow your roll on the bitchin'.
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newfellow
@newtekie1

and how about drop of DXVA supports on old cards ? none of the drivers support DX9 and DX11 in decent speed together ? We have exactly 2 drivers out from whole year of driver team work
which draws correctly ? and what about the limited resolution supports to 720p and 1080p ?

Those are only few issues I can mention. List goes on and I keep building drivers to people personally as well as myself as AMD/ATI driver team as for today has not come up with drivers
which could neither perform, support OR work in general. Instead they stopped developing drivers at CCC 10.2 and started profiling none sense.

and I ain't talking about ATI fan boys having a rail party just saying would of like to have just functional driver for QuadFireX or even a single HD5850, but no fun there when you have to fight drivers every single turn you wanna ply old games instead of new and visa versa.
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pantherx12
f22a4bandit said:
Where is the solid evidence that this lineup is a complete rebrand? If it's just bumping one to fill in a gap, whatever. Until we see reviews, all of this is just speculation, so slow your roll on the bitchin'.
There isn't.

I've looked :laugh:

Could be clever marketing by AMD to NOT correct this so LOADS of people talk about it and maybe even >=( about it and then get a lovely surprise when it turns out false :laugh:

But still could happen lol
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#14
cheezburger
it seem likely to be real since cayman has the original r870's die size and spec(48 rops/384bit bus) which is far larger than current cypress and much lower yield. so that's the reason why it has to be 69xx than 68xx because cypress was never meant to be an high end gpu and it was because fermi's failure made what it looked like it's high end but its original market position was not. the real high end in amd name scheme is x9xx then x8xx which we had seem in past many generation (x1900,x1950,hd2900,3870x2,4870x2,5970)
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newtekie1
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newfellow said:
and how about drop of DXVA supports on old cards ?
Since when is DXVA a basic gaming need? Oh thats right, never!

newfellow said:
none of the drivers support DX9 and DX11 in decent speed together?
I have no problem using any of the drivers from the past year in either DX9, 10, and 11 games. So I'm not sure what you are talking abou there.

newfellow said:
We have exactly 2 drivers out from whole year of driver team work which draws correctly? and what about the limited resolution supports to 720p and 1080p?
I've got a ATi card running on a 1680x1050 screen, and a 1920x1200 screen. Both play games fine at those resolutions, with no incorrect drawing.

newfellow said:
Those are only few issues I can mention. List goes on and I keep building drivers to people personally as well as myself as AMD/ATI driver team as for today has not come up with drivers
which could neither perform, support OR work in general. Instead they stopped developing drivers at CCC 10.2 and started profiling none sense.

and I ain't talking about ATI fan boys having a rail party just saying would of like to have just functional driver for QuadFireX or even a single HD5850, but no fun there when you have to fight drivers every single turn you wanna ply old games instead of new and visa versa.
You went on about basic gaming needs, yet haven't listed a single basic gaming need problem...

You list some problems that effect non-gaming moreso than anything else, and problems that really only effect a small percentage of users.
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