Friday, September 4th 2015

AMD Radeon R9 Nano Review by TPU...Not

There won't be a Radeon R9 Nano review on TechPowerUp. AMD says that it has too few review samples for the press. When AMD first held up the Radeon R9 Nano at its "Fiji" GPU unveil, to us it came across as the most promising product based on the chip, even more than the R9 Fury series, its dual-GPU variant, and the food-processor-shaped SFF gaming desktop thing. The prospect of "faster than R9 290X at 175W" is what excited us the most, as that would disrupt NVIDIA's GM204 based products. Unfortunately, the most exciting product by AMD also has the least amount of excitement by AMD itself.

The first signs of that are, AMD making it prohibitively expensive at $650, and not putting it in the hands of the press, for a launch-day review. We're not getting one, and nor do some of our friends on either sides of the Atlantic. AMD is making some of its tallest claims with this product, and it's important (for AMD) that some of those claims are put to the test. A validated product could maybe even convince some to reach for their wallets, to pull out $650.
Are we sourgraping? You tell us. We're one of the few sites that give you noise testing by some really expensive and broad-ranged noise-testing equipment, and more importantly, card-only power-draw. Our reviews also grill graphics cards through 22 real-world tests across four resolutions, each, and offer price-performance graphs. When NVIDIA didn't send us a GeForce GTX TITAN-Z sample, we didn't care. We didn't make an announcement like this. At $2,999, it was just a terrible product and we never wished it was part of our graphs. Its competing R9 295X2 could be had under $700, and so it continues to top our performance charts.

The R9 Nano, on the other hand, has the potential for greatness. Never mind the compact board design and its SFF credentials. Pull out this ASIC, put it on a normal 20-25 cm PCB, price it around $350, and dual-slot cooling that can turn its fans off in idle, and AMD could have had a GM204-killing product. Sadly, there's no way for us to test that, either. We can't emulate an R9 Nano on an R9 Fury X. The Nano appears to have a unique power/temperature based throttling algorithm that we can't copy.

"Fiji" is a good piece of technology, but apparently, very little effort is being made to put it into the hands of as many people as possible (and by that we mean consumers). This is an incoherence between what AMD CEO stated at the "Fiji" unveil, and what her company is doing. It's also great disservice to the people who probably stayed up many nights to get the interposer design right, or sailing through uncharted territory with HBM. Oh well.
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759 Comments on AMD Radeon R9 Nano Review by TPU...Not

#26
Sihastru
Sony Xperia SI fully support AMD in this decision. It is perfectly just.
Your mind works in mysterious ways.
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#27
jigar2speed
First TR, Hardcorp and now TPU, - AMD's PR department needs overhaul... Best websites excluding Hardcorp are not getting Sample to review is a big fail. PERIOD.
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#28
Sony Xperia S
SihastruYour mind works in mysterious ways.
I don't see anything mysterious to support the correct way to deal with bad press. What is so mysterious again?
That AMD and me have the same opinion ?
jigar2speedFirst TR, Hardcorp and now TPU, - AMD's PR department needs overhaul... Best websites excluding Hardcorp are not getting Sample to review is a big fail.
Instead of blaming AMD, tell us please why or how much you receive from nvidia to keep their image up and AMD's down?
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#29
Kumitsu
64KAMD doesn't have enough Nano for samples for even the larger sites to review? Horse shit. They do. I suspect they don't want them thoroughly tested and found to not be worth $650. They want to sell as many as possible before word gets out.
That's the first thing that came to mind: i have relied on techpowerup reviews for many years to choose my product of choice. This is sad news and i do hope that AMD provides one.
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#30
EarthDog
If you guys didn't get one... we didn't. At least they told you so... they don't seem to return my emails or calls unless they want to have us publish something... which we do...

Thanks for wasting my time flying me out to L.A to learn about Fury X. Thanks for inviting me to the conference call before Nano's release, and yet we still didn't get a thing. I don't mind hearing "No". What I do mind is being played out...

THAT, people, is sour grapes, LOL!
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#31
manofthem
WCG-TPU Team All-Star!
Sony Xperia STPU is mostly NEGATIVE to AMD. Just look at GPU-Z which is mostly dominated by nvidia-only features and look that W1zzard doesn't even care to add Boost support for AMD cards.

Those typos in AMD reviews don't help either.

I fully support AMD in this decision. It is perfectly just.
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#32
TheMailMan78
Big Member
Sony Xperia SI don't see anything mysterious to support the correct way to deal with bad press. What is so mysterious again?
That AMD and me have the same opinion ?
The only thing you and AMD have in common is really bad decisions. Maybe they (AMD) didn't send TPU a sample (or anyone for that matter) because they didn't have any to send? I know that's an amazing reach back for such a brilliant person as yourself but in a world of quantum mechanics anything is possible..........like me giving a shit you agree with me or not.

Good Day Sir.
EarthDogIf you guys didn't get one... we didn't. At least they told you so... they don't seem to return my emails or calls unless they want to have us publish something... which we do...

Thanks for wasting my time flying me out to L.A to learn about Fury X. Thanks for inviting me to the conference call before Nano's release, and yet we still didn't get a thing. I don't mind hearing "No". What I do mind is being played out...

THAT, people, is sour grapes, LOL!
Don't lie Earthdog. Sony Xperia S said its because W1zzard.....someone who makes money of advertisement doesn't like AMD. Not because AMD doesn't have any.
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#33
Tsukiyomi91
@Sony Xperia S Maybe, maybe not... perhaps you're just a typical simpleton, following where the wind blows... perhaps you should overhaul that massive heater of yours to the polar bear friendly Maxwell + Haswell combo & see how it performs...
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#34
nem
i glad see TPU don have nano, in the review of fury asus , the reviwer wizzard uses catalist 15.5 when there was available 15.7 , then wich be the poitn if tpu gives advantage to nvidia cards...
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#35
TheMailMan78
Big Member
nemi glad see TPU don have nano, in the review of fury asus , the reviwer wizzard uses catalist 15.5 when there was available 15.7 , then wich be the poitn if tpu gives advantage to nvidia cards...
You need to reinstall your spelling module at Skynet. Its failing.
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#36
Sony Xperia S
TheMailMan78The only thing you and AMD have in common is really bad decisions.
Nothing is lost tho. When TPU fixes their mistakes (not only in GPU-Z), then they will get the cards.

;)
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#37
TheMailMan78
Big Member
Sony Xperia SNothing is lost tho. When TPU fixes their mistakes, then they will get the cards.

;)
Mistake of not receiving something AMD doesn't have? Seems legit.
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#38
Tsukiyomi91
reason why he uses older drivers is to set a reasonable, sound benchmark with stable release in order to gauge them on even playing field. sometimes newer drivers fixes some of the game's relative problems in which it might give the card a slight edge over others, in which isn't in their books & deemed as unfair.
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#39
EarthDog
I have that clown (SOny) on ignore... I suggest you all do it too until the management at TPU realizes what a forum disease that kid is...

Anyhoo, I just would have like the common courtesy to be told I wasn't getting any.. That way, I wouldn't have to bug them.
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#40
Maban
TheMailMan78You need to reinstall your spelling module at Skynet. Its failing.
Also needs to reinstall his reading module as the Fury was benched with 15.7.
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#41
Sony Xperia S
TheMailMan78Mistake of not receiving something AMD doesn't have? Seems legit.
No, the mistake of not presenting AMD's products in the correct light. You can't be mean to Radeon and its features and at the same time to expect them to be nice to you.
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#43
Tsukiyomi91
@Sony Xperia S since when GPU-Z's faultless chip profiler has to do with AMD's end for not sending a nice card for unbiased, no BS benching? you sir are high.
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#44
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
AMD needs to hire some better shills...
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#45
Octopuss
They can't even produce few tens to low hundreds of cards for the press? Well that is beyond ridiculous. That's not even laughable, that's pure WTF. Is AMD really trying to cut the branch it's sitting on? :eek:
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#46
nem
btarunrNot true. www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/R9_Fury_Strix/6.html
Read the comments after some ones asking about why use 15.5, they just change the data of test system by using 15.7.. 0_0"
birdieDrivers: AMD: Catalyst 15.5 Beta

This kinda invalidates the whole review.

Please, retest all AMD GPUs using Catalyst 15.7 (which contains a whole lot of optimizations and fixes).
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/asus-radeon-r9-fury-strix-4-gb.214194/page-3
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#47
Tsukiyomi91
@Octopuss and here I am thinking AMD would redeem itself from oblivion by letting right-minded folks of common sense & send them the card so that their punishment wouldn't be in vain... well... instead of asking a helping hand, they've just signed their death warrants & saving them is a little too late.
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#49
Pill Monster
AquinusI think AMD's own rhetoric speaks for itself. No, I don't think you are. If AMD's yields are so bad that they can't even give TPU one for a review (something the AMD PR machine would typically be all over if the claims were true,) then there must only be enough to sell to the uninformed public. This tells me what I think I already knew before, that Fiji was not ready for production and isn't seemingly a huge leap over what already existed. Honestly, I see this as AMD back peddling and hoping to sell some of them before reviews can come out before people realize how slow the card really is in comparison to their claims.

You know, I like AMD's products (usually.) It's why I got a 390, and 6870s before it but, this rhetorical nonsense has to end and it ends with factual information and reviews provide that.

If they don't have enough GPUs for reviews, then they don't have enough to sell IMHO. This smells of desperation and it irritates me.
despite our differences I signed in to say thanks because I totally agree.
I like AMD products (except Cayman) always had AMD chipsets, and at one time even liked the company.
But last 3-4 yrs of AMD's perpetual marketing machine: (read: Bullshit Machine) has pretty much made me lose any respect for them....
The overhyped blogs, sensationalized powerpoint charts, overhyped 3DM drawcall benchmarks using a simulated API, and all amount to nothing, it's like being on a never ending roller coaster ride, up, down, up, down... lol
What particularly grates me though is the community marketing...a little BS I can tolerate, but at times it feels like Hallock just ordered an invasion force to take over a small country. :D


I better shut up now, before I rant.....
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#50
TheinsanegamerN
nemcheck the comments after some ones asking about why use 15.5, they just change the data of test system by using 15.7.. 0_0"
two and a half pages in, one person complains and is promptly shown he cant read. Methinks you may have some screws loose.
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