Crap DaddyHow come the top Ryzen CPU is at half the price of Intel 8c16t 6900K since AMD led us to believe it is better? Why is an eight core 16 thread AMD CPU cheaper than the 4c8t 7700k?

Because if they can offer a CPU that beats/matches Intel's at half the price which one do you think consumers are going to consider first.

Look at the price. I don't think the TOP Ryzen will be as fast as 6900k. Maybe in a few test it will be a little faster, but overall its stil slower. However, if it can match, all of us will be happy because we will have more choice when shopping for a CPU.

RejZoR$ = € + 20-22% = EU prices

Do reverse for US prices when only European with VAT are available...

Everything is geared to the American Dollar.

hojnikbYou're forgetting VAT. US prices are without VAT, because US has sales tax.

Which is a maximum of 10% which still doesnt add up.

chuck216Because if they can offer a CPU that beats/matches Intel's at half the price which one do you think consumers are going to consider first.

Hate to keep harping on this, but Intel isn't going to let AMD beat them on performance/price. Intel will structure their lineup accordingly.

You may think Intel's prices were overly greedy, but they nearly bankrupted AMD as it was. There was no incentive for them to make their 6c12t chip mainstream. Hopefully now there is.

I suspect that AMD will still be a ways behind on IPC, which will put them at a disadvantage in most applications. More cores and threads won't solve this. I'm happy to be surprised though! And the low TDP is certainly encouraging, they've made big improvements in efficiency.

rruffI suspect that AMD will still be a ways behind on IPC, which will put them at a disadvantage in most applications. More cores and threads won't solve this. I'm happy to be surprised though! And the low TDP is certainly encouraging, they've made big improvements in efficiency.

Exactly. So at least for the 1700x, it will be similar in price and performance of a 7700k. Performance will be similiar in cases where the program can use ALL available cores. It will be upwards of half the performance in single to quad threaded applications.

Ryzen has Falyn.

NihilusExactly. So at least for the 1700x, it will be similar in price and performance of a 7700k. Performance will be similiar in cases where the program can use ALL available cores. It will be upwards of half the performance in single to quad threaded applications.

Ryzen has Falyn.

Citation needed, I say you're way off on this one.

By all accounts, leaks & if Lisa Su is to be believed, the top binned SR7 should be between 5960x & 6900K in terms of performance. The ST performance also depends on how HT works for AMD, since we've seen Intel do extremely well with their implementation whilst IBM is on another plane with their Power 8 or 9 series.

phanbueyThe prices could be lower, but then again - let's see the performance numbers.

The prices are competitive IF the chips deliver as promised, it's looking like AMD has finally gotten back in the game but note I said "looking like", not "is" based on what we currently know - Which isn't much in general but again...... Someone out there does.

Until these become available we really don't know exactly what to expect and hopefully board manufacturers will be up to speed as well. Do remember that within recent time current FX chips have a wall of sorts vs older ones and I do hope these won't have that tendency when pushed.
I know between my newer 8370 and older 8320 the 8320 is the better clocker and runs cooler too on a MHz vs MHz basis even if I'm throwing a little more voltage at it for the same MHz. It does go higher before walling and perhaps AMD will spec these so they will fly if capable and believe they will, at least with the initial release/gen of these chips.

Intel ATM is probrably jogging, not running for the hills over it but certainly headed that way like it was when the Socket 939 Toledo/San Diego's showed up. I hope AMD makes a statement with these and prods some decent improvements from Intel instead of the marginal drip-drip-drip increases in performance while charging you the price tag of your first born to get it with each release.

Either way next month will tell the tale and should be fun to watch what happens.....

Guys, thinking about price more deeply. This price are not retail price. Do you not remember at situation with Polaris card vs reality? And also in USA you dont pay fot tax.
Be more realistic, price for top model will be for endusers in Europe around the 550 Euro

You should be looking at this thread then:
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amds-ryzen-r7-8-core-16-thread-processor-prices-outed-for-europe.230483/

600 Euros for R7 1800X

FlanK3rGuys, thinking about price more deeply. This price are not retail price. Do you not remember at situation with Polaris card vs reality? And also in USA you dont pay fot tax.
Be more realistic, price for top model will be for endusers in Europe around the 550 Euro

duh? Every release we know this...

As far as tax... US has taxes on products bud..

Im sorry, seems, only "stupid" local media dont know it and writing "nonsense" at Czech webs :-/

If the prices hold out to be true, or within 10% more, then Intel has some serious work to do. They have been stagnating since 2011, because of AMD's lethargy. We have been tossed the same stuff over and over again, and now we are at the 7th generation, or let's call it the 6th iteration of the 2nd gen of Core i CPUs. The Unlocked i3 and the HT'ed Pentium were good moves, but the war is far from over. If Intel does not allow OC, or RAM profiles at lower end chipsets, although that is perfectly possible, the CPU/Chipset war will easily be won by AMD just like we've seen happen before. But on the other hand, seeing an active AMD, which can go to its previous sleep, is smth we've also seen happen, remember the Phenom II era. They were great CPUs, on par with the first gen Core i CPUs, but that was it. The best of AMD right now can still be beaten from an 11 yo CPU anytime.
But let us hope and be optimistic. A stronger and more powerful AMD means 2 things. Either 2 companies selling their stuff at overinflated prices, because of no other member in the market, or which I hope will happen, more balanced prices and better products with every new iteration.

FordGT90ConceptWhat's not groundbreaking about a 8 core, 16 thread processor for $500 at 95w and 3.6 GHz base clock? If you want the same thing from Intel, prepare to hand over four digits worth of cash, 45 more watts of power, and several hundred fewer megahertz. Intel is rightly concerned about Ryzen. Global Foundries has caught up to Intel's fabs, AMD has an excellent CPU and GPU architecture, and they have a stock cooling solution that isn't shit. Over the past decade, Intel has done everything it can to make consumer processors cost less to make and put out about the same amount of performance for the price. This includes making the wafer thinner (caused problems with Skylake aftermark HSFs), to using fantastically shitty thermal material between the chip and the IHS (they practically admitted it was shit by announcing it won't be shit on i7-7740K), and now they cut their ties with NVIDIA because the licensing deal ended and are crawling to AMD to get GPUs (recent news). All combined, AMD is looking fantastic right now and Intel looks like they're flying on a wing and a prayer. This has happened before when AMD launched K5.

The only thing Intel has going for it is production capabilities, mindshare, and cash.

I hope you're right there. I'd really like to buy a Ryzen system, even a cheaper one, if I could scrape up the money... Intel's been messing around for a while now, I'd really like to support AMD.

chuck216Because if they can offer a CPU that beats/matches Intel's at half the price which one do you think consumers are going to consider first.

"Consumers" will choose Intel first. Why? History and advertising. Ever tried to get someone not tech-inclined to buy an AMD-powered laptop, even if it exceeds all their needs and is cheaper than an equivalent Intel machine? Easier to pull teeth from a hungry crocodile.

AMD has to shake off that "cheaper because it isn't as good" image that continues to follow them. Remember, retail processor sales aren't going to help AMD a whole lot, but OEM sales will.

Problem there is that most people that purchase OEM systems know barely more than how to turn it on and how to "Facebook".

As for advertising, when was the last time anything from AMD was advertised en masse?

I feel that a lot will change for AMD, once Naples and Raven Ridge launch, as server and mobile are the real bread-and-butter markets.

JMccovery"Consumers" will choose Intel first. Why? History and advertising. Ever tried to get someone not tech-inclined to buy an AMD-powered laptop, even if it exceeds all their needs and is cheaper than an equivalent Intel machine? Easier to pull teeth from a hungry crocodile.

I have a hard time believing "someone not tech-inclined" would even care about the CPU inside their laptop. AMD has sucked in the mobile space by itself, not because of user ignorance.

bugI have a hard time believing "someone not tech-inclined" would even care about the CPU inside their laptop. AMD has sucked in the mobile space by itself, not because of user ignorance.

While true, Intel's advertising is something they do have over AMD.

I really get tired of seeing whatever-his-name-is from Big Bang Theory on commercials and in print and digital ads.

I just find him a bit annoying.

JMccoveryWhile true, Intel's advertising is something they do have over AMD.

I really get tired of seeing whatever-his-name-is from Big Bang Theory on commercials and in print and digital ads.

I just find him a bit annoying.

Is that the Nobel peace prize winner Sheldon Cooper?

For me the sweet spot would be the 1700X. I wonder what would be the OC potential. Anyway for me those prices for Ryzen CPU's are great. It's half the price of intels 6900's and similar performance or maybe even better. If the price points turn to be true Intel is in a deep shit for at least this year since i doubt they will release anything that would be cheaper than kaby and better performance. Also cutting prices of Intel's current products by half is not possible. I'm really glad for AMD and I'm waiting for the Ryzen to show up on the market and buy it. Although i will wait a bit for the benchmarks to see what it really offers. all in all it's great to have a chance to get back to AMD again :)

ratirtAlso cutting prices of Intel's current products by half is not possible.

Why do you believe that? It's easy for them to do. They've had a long time to prepare for AMD eventually offering some competition. Probably all they need to do is shift one tier, like i7 being mainstream. Intel isn't going to be beaten on price/performance over most of the range anyway. They'll respond to whatever AMD puts up.

rruffWhy do you believe that? It's easy for them to do. They've had a long time to prepare for AMD eventually offering some competition. Probably all they need to do is shift one tier, like i7 being mainstream. Intel isn't going to be beaten on price/performance over most of the range anyway. They'll respond to whatever AMD puts up.

Think about it. Will Intel cut price of 6900 by half? What about investors or customers which have already bought it? What about business which has already signed contracts for those CPU's. the price can be lower but can't go down by half. What they can do is to release different processors. Intel is doing that announcing new processors to be released. They may vary from predecessor with nothing but it will be new on the market anyway. Then the price can be adjusted. Existing batch of processors will stay as it is.

I dont think they will cut pricing in half, but customers or investors having bought the product at whatever price doesn't have much to do with it, really (IMO). I mean, its not like intel makes a habit out of this. They would be responding to a change in the market. If those people were smart, they would see it as a good thing in that Intel is responding quickly to the shake up in the market. Thanks AMD!! :)

EarthDogI dont think they will cut pricing in half, but customers or investors having bought the product at whatever price doesn't have much to do with it, really (IMO). I mean, its not like intel makes a habit out of this. They would be responding to a change in the market. If those people were smart, they would see it as a good thing in that Intel is responding quickly to the shake up in the market. Thanks AMD!! :)

Yeah. The only question is if Intel has anything in store or those new CPU's with -X bring nothing just will be sold to match AMD's price point.

ratirtYeah. The only question is if Intel has anything in store or those new CPU's with -X bring nothing just will be sold to match AMD's price point.

That is definitely not the question. Everybody knows intel isn't planning on launching anything new for the time being.
The questions today are:
1. Is Zen good?
2. If the answer to #1 is "yes", what will be intel's move?

Everybody wants Zen to be good, but for the time being the answer to the second question is not a new SKU. It's, hopefully, a price cut.

Wonder how this will do with UPS runtime compared to Intel i5/i7??? I have to balance both bc of wonky power in my area... My AMD quadcore phenom on a 1000VA UPS was 23^-35 mins* vs 35^-55Mins* for my i5 quad... those extra mins count drasically due to me beta testing stuff....

^using all 4 encoding or applying updates to beta stuff or server maintenance/*Normal browsing/light gaming...

Easy enough.. look at tdp. While not exact, it gives a great idea of the max power used at stock.