Friday, February 8th 2019

No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report

AMD "Navi" is the company's next-generation graphics architecture succeeding "Vega" and will leverage the 7 nm silicon fabrication process. It was originally slated to launch mid-2019, with probable unveiling on the sidelines of Computex (early-June). Cowcotland reports that AMD has delayed its plans to launch "Navi" all the way to October (Q4-2019). The delay probably has something to do with AMD's 7 nm foundry allocation for the year.

AMD is now fully reliant on TSMC to execute its 7 nm product roadmap, which includes its entire 2nd generation EPYC and 3rd generation Ryzen processors based on the "Zen 2" architecture, and to a smaller extent, GPUs based on its 2nd generation "Vega" architecture, such as the recently launched Radeon VII. We expect the first "Navi" discrete GPU to be a lean, fast-moving product that succeeds "Polaris 30." In addition to 7 nm, it could incorporate faster SIMD units, higher clock-speeds, and a relatively cost-effective memory solution, such as GDDR6.
Source: Cowcotland
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135 Comments on No AMD Radeon "Navi" Before October: Report

#102
Midland Dog
eidairaman1
Got any legitimate links?

Your comment is nothing but speculation at this point.
Are you an engineer?

I don't think so.

Typical of someone with a greeneye.
somewhere on videocardz, cbf looking just knocked off work, beer time
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#103
John Naylor
It seems no coincidence that nVidia GFX cards suffered right after they started building consoles and then same thing happened to AMD when they "won" that market. Once Nvidia was out of it, soon after generation to generation improvements were impressive.
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#104
Super XP
Rumours & Speculation claim its delayed. Hopefully not, but AMD get it right this time around. We need very competitive GPUs and now with the DLSS flop, its now or never. :D
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#105
Adam Krazispeed
xkm1948
With Navi still being GCN it is probably wont be much of a challenger to current nvidia anyway.
Navi is NOT GOING TO BE GCN...

NAVI IS A BRAND NEW GPU ARCHITECTURE FROM THE GROUND UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not a fan boy either, im using a evga gtx 1080 hybrid gaming 8gb card right now, but im sick of nvidias gpus... high cost, and rtx is not even a decent upgrade for me, and the rtx 2080 is only maybe a 30-40% performance increase from my gtx 1080..

and price of 700-900 bucks... NO THANKS NVIDIA.. ILL WAIT AND SEE WHAT AMD DOES WITH NAVI IN OCTOBER
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#106
cucker tarlson
Adam Krazispeed
Navi is NOT GOING TO BE GCN...

NAVI IS A BRAND NEW GPU ARCHITECTURE FROM THE GROUND UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not a fan boy either, im using a evga gtx 1080 hybrid gaming 8gb card right now, but im sick of nvidias gpus... high cost, and rtx is not even a decent upgrade for me, and the rtx 2080 is only maybe a 30-40% performance increase from my gtx 1080..

and price of 700-900 bucks... NO THANKS NVIDIA.. ILL WAIT AND SEE WHAT AMD DOES WITH NAVI IN OCTOBER
I haven't seen any conformation of this,what sources are you going by ?
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#107
bug
cucker tarlson
I haven't seen any conformation of this,what sources are you going by ?
Initially, Navi appeared on AMD's slides as a next-gen architecture. They've been silent since, so I'm really not sure what Navi is anymore.

Edit: This is what the roadmap looks like currently: https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-update-7nm-vega-2018-navi-2019/
Next-gen is only what comes after Navi, so Navi is still the architecture that doesn't scale to high-end :( (And yes, I know it's wtftech, but that slide appears on other sites as well)
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#108
xkm1948
Vega was hyped to be completely new uArc as well, NCU instrad of GCN. We all know how that went.
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#109
cucker tarlson
xkm1948
Vega was hyped to be completely new uArc as well, NCU instrad of GCN. We all know how that went.
this is exactly the scenario I think it might go (revised and redesigned gcn),though Navi is gonna be a purely gaming architecture,not compute oriented like Vega.
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#110
efikkan
bug
Initially, Navi appeared on AMD's slides as a next-gen architecture. They've been silent since, so I'm really not sure what Navi is anymore.
Do you remember when?
The slides I can find from back to 2016 only states "next gen memory" for Navi.
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#111
bug
efikkan
Do you remember when?
The slides I can find from back to 2016 only states "next gen memory" for Navi.
I remember it was the first announcements mentioning Vega. Either the slides have been pulled or my memory is playing tricks on me, but I couldn't find those slides at a quick search.

Edit: Even so, it's pretty clear there's no "next gen memory" to be unveiled this year, so I'm still not sure what Navi is supposed to be.
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#112
efikkan
Navi was supposed to arrive in 2018. Next Gen Memory was probably GDDR6.
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#113
Super XP
cucker tarlson
I haven't seen any conformation of this,what sources are you going by ?
HERE:
I have also been told that Navi will be a new microarchitecture (in other words the first AMD Radeon uArch to not be based on GCN).
NAVI New GPU Design

Unless I am not reading this right, its going to be a version of Navi, maybe the high end or maybe the midrange that will be a brand new GPU. But recently rumours claim Navi is delayed. So who knows. But this is the source nevertheless. Mark my Words, a new GPU Design by AMD will not be GCN Based. PERIOD. :D
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#114
xkm1948
Super XP
HERE:
NAVI New GPU Design

Unless I am not reading this right, its going to be a version of Navi, maybe the high end or maybe the midrange that will be a brand new GPU. But recently rumours claim Navi is delayed. So who knows. But this is the source nevertheless. Mark my Words, a new GPU Design by AMD will not be GCN Based. PERIOD. :D
Alrighy. Screen shot taken. I am coming back to ya after Navi launch.
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#115
Super XP
xkm1948
Alrighy. Screen shot taken. I am coming back to ya after Navi launch.
I accept the Challenge :lovetpu::peace::clap:
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#116
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Bare in mind that GCN is a lot like x86. It's an extensible framework with unified instructions that have been expanded over time. In Vega, they hugely changed the compute units but are still calling it GCN. In Raven Ridge, they replaced UVD and VCE with Video Core Next that does both functions.

Navi is a new architecture (just like Vega was) but that doesn't necessarily mean it significantly deviates from GCN. That's a good thing because people still rocking 7970s will still get continued support.
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#117
Super XP
I agree it's a good thing to a certain extent, IF they can remain more than competitive vs. Nvidia high end GPUs.
AMD needs a ZEN type success with its GPU business. :D:D

If GCN can do this I'm all for it. So far they've been trying for years now. No success.
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#118
medi01
64K
From NASDAQ I posted in #21 on this thread:

2017 Annual Financial Reports

Intel 71 billion dollars revenue and 21 billion dollars profit
Nvidia 9.7 billion dollars revenue and 3 billion dollars profit
AMD 5.3 billion dollars revenue and 43 million dollars profit (this includes both CPU and GPU businesses)
Yep, smaller, but no way small. Thank you. And this year:

2018
AMD - $6.48 bn revenue
nVidia - $9.71 bn revenue
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#119
Mighty-Lu-Bu
xkm1948
With Navi still being GCN it is probably wont be much of a challenger to current nvidia anyway.
I don't care if Navi isn't a challenger to the RTX 2080ti, I just want a solid card that offers better performance than Vega 64, with less TDP. I don't think that that is a lot to ask...
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#120
bug
Mighty-Lu-Bu
I don't care if Navi isn't a challenger to the RTX 2080ti, I just want a solid card that offers better performance than Vega 64, with less TDP. I don't think that that is a lot to ask...
Well, I wouldn't mind 2080 Ti's level of performance. But certainly not the price ;)
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#121
Super XP
This report about an October launch was dispelled recently.
NAVI LAUNCH Coming SOON

It was also reported that Ryzen CPUs are being placed on sale to clear inventory for ZEN2. And we might end up seeing a launch sometime around May 2019. Availability June 2019.
AMD Slashes Ryzen Prices for ZEN2 room.

And lastly, how accurate is this? Found it on Wccftech by a poster lol,
IF there is any truth to this, Oh My. Look at this with a Grain of Salt, couldn't find anything on Tom's Hardware, just there Forums with random posters.

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#122
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
More like a lethal dose of salt.

The naming scheme doesn't make any sense for the alleged performance. On top of that, what 20 games does RTX 2080 Ti get an average of 294.8 fps? I bet Quake III is in there with 1000+ fps.
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#124
R0H1T
So why would the top(?) Navi be a direct competitor of VII, unless they wanna sell the rest of the inventory in a virtual write-off OR Navi is obscenely priced :wtf:
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#125
tfdsaf
xkm1948
With Navi still being GCN it is probably wont be much of a challenger to current nvidia anyway.
This is the new "AMD drivers suck" myth, propagated by ignoramus or actual Nvidia shillboys.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, GCN 1 to GCN 4 is a COMPLETELY different architecture. Vega is a completely new architecture to top it off as well, internally they never even called Vega GCN, they always called in Vega, as a codename and later as official monkier.

Nvidia's latest Turning architecture is basically their old GTX 400 architecture on steroids. Even their GTX 400 architecture was an evolution from their GTX 200 architecture, which was Nvidia's foray into unified shaders. What has happened is that Nvidia has been continually been improving their GTX 200 architecture and over the last 12 years reached the current architecture called Turing, which is in essence their 12 years old architecture from their GTX 200 series.

Just because Nvidia have been giving different code names to their architectures, doesn't mean its a new architecture. And alternatively AMD giving the same GCN name doesn't mean its the same architecture.

So this garbage that has been propagated how GCN is the same architecture, while Nvidia magically creates brand new 100% different architecture every two years is a mega ton of horse manure. Nvidia's current architecture dates back to their GTX 200 series. That is 12 years! Is it fair to call it the same architecture? Well according to Nvidishillboys then yes, Turing the GTX 200 arch is exactly the same.

If anything AMD have been reinventing their architectures a lot more, which is part of the problem. They've never stuck long term like Nvidia to an arch and improved it over time, reiterative process over 12 years. They've done a lot more clean states.
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