Thursday, May 9th 2019

AMD Ryzen 9 3000 is a 16-core Socket AM4 Beast

AMD is giving finishing touches to its 3rd generation Ryzen socket AM4 processor family which is slated for a Computex 2019 unveiling, followed by a possible E3 market availability. Based on the "Matisse" multi-chip module that combines up to two 8-core "Zen 2" chiplets with a 14 nm I/O controller die, these processors see a 50-100 percent increase in core-counts over the current generation. The Ryzen 5 series now includes 8-core/16-thread parts, the Ryzen 7 series chips are 12-core/24-thread, while the newly created Ryzen 9 series (designed to rival Intel Core i9 LGA115x), will include 16-core/32-thread chips.

Thai PC enthusiast TUM_APISAK confirmed the existence of the Ryzen 9 series having landed himself with an engineering sample of the 16-core/32-thread chip that ticks at 3.30 GHz with 4.30 GHz Precision Boost frequency. The infamous Adored TV leaks that drew the skeleton of AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen roadmap, referenced two desktop Ryzen 9 parts, the Ryzen 9 3800X and Ryzen 9 3850X. The 3800X is supposed to be clocked at 3.90 GHz with 4.70 GHz boost, with a TDP rating of 125W, while the 3850X tops the charts at 4.30 GHz base and a staggering 5.10 GHz boost. The rated TDP has shot up to 135W. We can now imagine why some motherboard vendors are selective with BIOS updates on some of their lower-end boards. AMD is probably maximizing the clock-speed headroom of these chips out of the box, to preempt Intel's "Comet Lake" 10-core/20-thread processor.
Sources: TUM_Apisak, Tom's Hardware
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#76
FYFI13
Shatun_Bear said:

The nth time that fake AdoredTV numbers have been referenced.

He made the numbers up, as they come from a chart in his video all the way back December 2018! There is no way AMD knew the base/boost and price of every Ryzen 3K SKU back at that date. Also, he listed one of the SKUs as having a base clock merely 100mhz short of the boost clock of the Ryzen 2700x! I mean if that is not a red herring for his info, I don't know what is.
ClownTV is has been on my ignore list for long time. Remember this octopus predicting world cup results? That's exactly what ClownTV did - blind guessing.
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#77
ratirt
Shatun_Bear said:

The nth time that fake AdoredTV numbers have been referenced.

He made the numbers up, as they come from a chart in his video all the way back December 2018! There is no way AMD knew the base/boost and price of every Ryzen 3K SKU back at that date. Also, he listed one of the SKUs as having a base clock merely 100mhz short of the boost clock of the Ryzen 2700x! I mean if that is not a red herring for his info, I don't know what is.
I don't agree with what you said that he faked this all. He's got information from people that can have this information.
For the record. We are not supposed to know the price before the release but AMD company(others as well) has the price point set and their goals way before the release. It's called planning. Maybe this is something you are not familiar with in the company you work for or your own business but I'm certain AMD has it all planned and calculated.
What I think about the rumors is they may or may not be accurate totally but there is some truth and from our, customer stand point, is either to wait for the release or look for facts and prove or disprove the rumor by talking about it and point out, by arguments, if this is possible or not. I think AMD and Intel release these rumors themselves for a reason. This leaks make the other company compare to it's own products and mobilize for what's coming, intimidate the opponent even and make him move forward or even scare the crap outta it. Rumors are a good thing giving you a glimpse of what's coming out and if you get involved in this "thinking and measuring facts with others" you may postpone your PC purchase/upgrade now (if you need one) to see later if it was worth to wait. if you're waiting for new built/upgrade you can plan collecting some cash for this. Weather you believe the leaks or rumors it's on you.
I think it might be true but the truth will be revealed when the zen2 is released.
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#78
TheLostSwede
FYFI13 said:

ClownTV is has been on my ignore list for long time. Remember this octopus predicting world cup results? That's exactly what ClownTV did - blind guessing.
Another serving of crow coming right up...
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#79
medi01
Shatun_Bear said:

fake AdoredTV number
At this point it's rumored, not fake.

Shatun_Bear said:

He made the numbers up
You can't possibly know that. When he speculates, he stats that.
For that thing he mentioned leak from insider.
His "io die" info was spot on:

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#80
Shatun_Bear
medi01 said:

At this point it's rumored, not fake.


You can't possibly know that. When he speculates, he stats that.
For that thing he mentioned leak from insider.
His "io die" info was spot on:

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No, no, no. Please listen to what he actually said - he merely speculated about there being an I/O on the chip, then said he didn't think they would do it. So again, it was a guess where he concluded the other way.

Now, it's all well saying 'but it was just speculation' and 'some of it is subject to change' but that doesn't pass muster, frankly. The USP in that video is based on these very details that you guys say are subject to change. He listed every Ryzen 3000 SKU with exact base/boost clocks and prices, not even ranges. Now he's being called out on his figures, it's too late now to say 'but I may have been off'. He didn't mind profiting from the fervent excitement created from throwing around the 5ghz/5Ghz+ numbers back in December.

He has profited from the above hype video leak extravaganza no end by more subscribers, Patreons and clicks on his videos. People are paying this guy money on the basis he has insider info and knows what he is talking about. So ethically, there must be repercussions if he's lead everyone down the garden path regarding info that he posted online, which appears the case here. Because he is a 'video leaker' and 'tech Youtuber', it should not mean he can escape ethics and standards that a tech journo would be held to.
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#81
TheLostSwede
Shatun_Bear said:

No, no, no. Please listen to what he actually said - he merely speculated about there being an I/O on the chip, then said he didn't think they would do it. So again, it was a guess where he concluded the other way.

Now, it's all well saying 'but it was just speculation' and 'some of it is subject to change' but that doesn't pass muster, frankly. The USP in that video is based on these very details that you guys say are subject to change. He listed every Ryzen 3000 SKU with exact base/boost clocks and prices, not even ranges. Now he's being called out on his figures, it's too late now to say 'but I may have been off'. He didn't mind profiting from the fervent excitement created from throwing around the 5ghz/5Ghz+ numbers back in December.

He has profited from the above hype video leak extravaganza no end by more subscribers, Patreons and clicks on his videos. People are paying this guy money on the basis he has insider info and knows what he is talking about. So ethically, there must be repercussions if he's lead everyone down the garden path regarding info that he posted online, which appears the case here. Because he is a 'video leaker' and 'tech Youtuber', it should not mean he can escape ethics and standards that a tech journo would be held to.
So where's your proof that it won't happen? You're good at bashing something, without even the least bit of insight or shred of evidence to the contrary. So please, present some fact or hold your peace.

The tech journo is dead, I should know, I used to be one, so there's no longer any standards to hold anyone to.
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#82
medi01
Shatun_Bear said:

People are paying this guy money on the basis he has insider info and knows what he is talking about. So ethically, there must be repercussions if he's lead everyone down the garden path regarding info that he posted online, which appears the case here.
With that approach not even Lisa Su could give you the right figures all the time, because plans change all the time.

I agree on repercussions, but not for being wrong at times, but for outright making up shit and claiming it's insider info. (this is hard to prove though)

He did come with very unusual info that is not something that could have done out of speculations, so should have actual links.
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#83
Chrispy_
Zareek said:

Agreed but the leaks say the R9 3850X 16c/32t @ 4.3Ghz base 5.1Ghz boost will have the highest frequency.
I never quite understood why the largest cores are clocked highest. Is it because the more cores there are, the more chance that one of them will reach the highest frequency, or is just the dark silicon providing more surface area to dissipate heat?

If it's the more cores increasing the chance of one of them being higher frequency, does that also not apply to the low end - in that more cores increases the likelihood that one of them is a dog and can't clock very high at all?
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#84
Shatun_Bear
medi01 said:

With that approach not even Lisa Su could give you the right figures all the time, because plans change all the time.
Oh come on. Lisa Su wouldn't say 'Hey guys I got a good one for you today - all the base/boost clocks of every Ryzen 3000 CPU and their prices on top' back in December 2018 and ask money for this info, because it would be made up. Certainly this info would not be privy to some guy sitting in front of his PC all day up in Scotland.
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#85
kings
Crackong said:

There is an existing product : 9900k .
If you find the 9900k's isn't enough to convince you, there must be something other than 8 cores 5GHz capability in your mind.
I know the 9900K does that, but it´s a 550€ CPU in my country. I also don´t like the thermals of it.

If AMD can offer similar performance or close for ~350€, I gladly buy one.

But, we'll see, it's not that I extremely need it, I'm still quite happy with the 5820K, which has been with me since 2014.
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#86
Mysteoa
Shatun_Bear said:

Oh come on. Lisa Su wouldn't say 'Hey guys I got a good one for you today - all the base/boost clocks of every Ryzen 3000 CPU and their prices on top' back in December 2018 and ask money for this info, because it would be made up. Certainly this info would not be privy to some guy sitting in front of his PC all day up in Scotland.
What about the time when he leaked the RTX line up naming and that there will also be GTX line up? Many people didn't believed it, but it was true. About the IO die, he got some info that was disapproving his IO theory. If a part of a leak is not true, it doesn't make all of it false.
To me it looks like you only watch the tables and don't care what he actually says in those videos.
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#87
Super XP
Mysteoa said:

What about the time when he leaked the RTX line up naming and that there will also be GTX line up? Many people didn't believed it, but it was true. About the IO die, he got some info that was disapproving his IO theory. If a part of a leak is not true, it doesn't make all of it false.
To me it looks like you only watch the tables and don't care what he actually says in those videos.
He's been more right than more wrong. In the end, its speculation and rumors. Though he does seem to have some serious sources.
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#88
TheLostSwede
Chrispy_ said:

I never quite understood why the largest cores are clocked highest. Is it because the more cores there are, the more chance that one of them will reach the highest frequency, or is just the dark silicon providing more surface area to dissipate heat?

If it's the more cores increasing the chance of one of them being higher frequency, does that also not apply to the low end - in that more cores increases the likelihood that one of them is a dog and can't clock very high at all?
Below is a silicon wafer, this happens to be one from Intel. The best chips are always at the centre of the wafer, these are normally "perfect" and tend to be the ones that can run at the highest speeds. The further out the edge you go, the more chance of a defect. Even if the yield is say 80%, i.e. 20% of the chips on the wafer are not good enough to make a product out of, the remaining 80% will be of varying "quality". So in this case, in the middle you have the Core i7's, then the further out you go you end up with i5's, i3's, Pentiums and Celerons. Ok, this is a bit over simplified, but it gives you a rough idea how it works. It's possible that it's a very good wafer, so there are no Pentium and Celerons, but a larger share of all the other parts. However, the CPU makers need to grade the CPUs in such a way that they can get resonable yields from each category, ideally as many of the highest category as possible, as they can charge the highest price for those cores.
Obviously this also means that by using this process of elimination, there's a bigger chance that an i7 is going to win the silicon lottery over an i5 and be that one chip in a thousand that can overclock like crazy. However, that doesn't mean Intel can sell that as a 6GHz chip, as they'd only get a dozen of those a month, so it doesn't make financial sense to stretch too far either. But as these chips are the very best of the wafer, they end up also being the ones that are clocked the highest. Obviously, if there's a flaw in one of the centre parts, say the cache doesn't fully work, then that ends up as an i5 for example and that might still be that one in a thousand chip that can hit 6GHz+ and the person who buys that got really lucky.
Does this make sense?



Shatun_Bear said:

Oh come on. Lisa Su wouldn't say 'Hey guys I got a good one for you today - all the base/boost clocks of every Ryzen 3000 CPU and their prices on top' back in December 2018 and ask money for this info, because it would be made up. Certainly this info would not be privy to some guy sitting in front of his PC all day up in Scotland.
I think you forget something, the plan was to launch Ryzen 3000 much earlier in the year, maybe not January, but February/March. The delay is largely down to the motherboards with the X570 chipset not being ready and in fact, they're still being tuned and will be tuned until the last minute.
So yes, I do believe AMD had everything figured out at that point in time already, but had to push things back. There might be more to it than the motherboards, but it did have a huge contributing factor as to why the platform is only launching at Computex. I guess you don't really work in the industry, so you wouldn't know the first or the last things about this, but instead, you hang out on forums and spreading FUD about something you know very little about.

As to why this info was sent to Jim, I don't know. Maybe someone likes him and thought he should be in know? Kind of like when you get a free donut at dunkin' for being a regular customer.
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#89
advanced3
TheLostSwede said:

Or not.
TheLostSwede said:

Nope.



I hope you enjoy eating crow.
I think you're just an AMD super fan, you're expectations are to high. There's no way those clock speeds will happen. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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#90
TheLostSwede
advanced3 said:

I think you're just an AMD super fan, you're expectations are to high. There's no way those clock speeds will happen. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Well, you're new here, so hello. You know nothing about me, my history, where I live, what I do for a living, but you judge my insight into this topic, not very smart.

I know a lot of things I'm not at liberty to share here, but let's just say that once Ryzen 3000 launches, a lot of people are going to have to eat their own words. That said, I'm by no means saying everything AdoredTV puts in his videos will be exactly as he says, as I have no control over his content. Oh, and I expect a personal apology from you then too.

Also, it's your, not you're (that's short for you are).
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#91
ratirt
advanced3 said:

I think you're just an AMD super fan, you're expectations are to high. There's no way those clock speeds will happen. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
And from where you take this statement? "No way those clock speeds will happen"? Is it your own words or you quote somebody?
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#92
yeeeeman
Lol, how many crying people here. If we remember 2 years ago, we had in the normal discrete desktop CPU market a 4 core 8 thread CPU max at ~350$. Now we have double that at ~ same price and you still aren't satisfied. I have an i7 6700HQ notebook and it is fine for at least 2-3 years more.
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#93
Metroid
Shatun_Bear said:

The nth time that fake AdoredTV numbers have been referenced.

He made the numbers up, as they come from a chart in his video all the way back December 2018! There is no way AMD knew the base/boost and price of every Ryzen 3K SKU back at that date. Also, he listed one of the SKUs as having a base clock merely 100mhz short of the boost clock of the Ryzen 2700x! I mean if that is not a red herring for his info, I don't know what is.
Probably somebody from AMD, a PR maybe paid that guy to spread the info. He got pretty much everything right up to this point. He spread before everybody and if AMD wanted to contradict what he said, amd could anytime and amd did not, that tells us something. AMD needs the hype, more people knowing it, more people will not buy intel, they will hold to buy the new ryzen. I'm one of them, the only thing I see in the i9 9900k is heat and nothing more. A waste of money, i feel sorry for whoever bought it. The i7 9700k is not bad but another 14nm is a no go for me. I'm tired of old tech, mobile is at 7nm too, desktop cpus must keep up. Time for change, time to welcome ryzen 3000. A month away I reckon.
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#94
bug
yeeeeman said:

Lol, how many crying people here. If we remember 2 years ago, we had in the normal discrete desktop CPU market a 4 core 8 thread CPU max at ~350$. Now we have double that at ~ same price and you still aren't satisfied. I have an i7 6700HQ notebook and it is fine for at least 2-3 years more.
I don't see any crying.
I see people that dismiss this as a rumor and people that take this for granted because it hasn't been disproved.

The claimed specs themselves are a tad above what you'd expect and a little counterintuitive in part. But that by itself doesn't make them true or false.
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#95
medi01
Shatun_Bear said:

...and ask money for this info...
Come on.
His videos, on top of being free, are at around 50k-ish views typically, I doubt one could get non-negligable income from that.
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#96
ratirt
medi01 said:

Come on.
His videos, on top of being free, are at around 50k-ish views typically, I doubt one could get non-negligable income from that.
I agree. People dismiss the fact that others might be doing things because this is their hobby or they simply love tech and want to share their insight, thoughts, not because of money. If you think everyone is doing things to get money or any profits then you are hopeless and shallow. Also dismissing the fact that people and companies reach to the guy for reviews. I get it is way easier to crap on somebody and accuse of being payed for something instead giving some contribution and constructive arguments supporting their way of thinking and accusation.
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#97
TheLostSwede
bug said:

I don't see any crying.
I see people that dismiss this as a rumor and people that take this for granted because it hasn't been disproved.

The claimed specs themselves are a tad above what you'd expect and a little counterintuitive in part. But that by itself doesn't make them true or false.
You're right, it looked way too good to be true to me to start with as well. As with all rumours, ample salt is needed and when his video was first mentioned here, I said as much. But I also knew some of the facts back then and as such, I knew there was some truth to the info he mentioned. Now I know much more and he's really not far off the target. Again, a lot of people are going to have to eat their words.
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#98
kapone32
advanced3 said:

I think you're just an AMD super fan, you're expectations are to high. There's no way those clock speeds will happen. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
You sound like an Intel fan boy with that statement
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#99
EarthDog
It's comical, the true fanboys don't get called out, yet, people that have at least a half a clue (in this case more, a full clue) are called fanboys. TPU members are AMAZING! o_O
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#100
kapone32
I really don't understand why some people think that this is not possible. I know it is different architecture but did not the same thing happen with the FX8150 4.5GHZ max vs the FX8350 over 5 GHZ OC possible. in terms of clock speed increase. Even the 1700 could not go past 4 GHZ but the 2700 goes to 4.3? Do you not think a node shrink of that size would not bring those types of gains. The Vega 64 was 1247-1546 base and the Vega 7 is 1400 - 1750 base. A CPU has way less cores than a GPU so does it not make sense that you would see bigger boost on the CPU side.
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