Thursday, July 11th 2019

Intel "Comet Lake" Not Before 2020, "Ice Lake-S" Not Before Q3-2020, Roadmap Suggests

Earlier this week, news of Intel's 10th generation Core "Comet Lake" processors did rounds as the company's short-term response to AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen processors. According to slides leaked to the web by Hong Kong-based tech publication XFastest, "Comet Lake" isn't Intel's short-term reaction to "Zen 2," but rather all it has left to launch. These processors won't launch before 2020, the slide suggests, meaning that AMD will enjoy a free rein over the processor market until the turn of the year, including the all-important Holday shopping season.

More importantly, the slide suggests that "Comet Lake" will have a market presence spanning Q1 and Q2 2020, meaning that the 10 nm "Ice Lake" won't arrive on the desktop platform until at least Q3 2020. It's likely that the LGA1200 platform which debuts with "Comet Lake" will extend to "Ice Lake," so consumers aren't forced to buy a new motherboard within a span of six months. The platform diagram put out in another slide junks the idea of an on-package MCM of the processor and PCH dies (which was likely ripped off from the "Ice Lake-Y" MCM platform diagram).
The new platform combines a "Comet Lake" processor with an Intel 400-series PCH, which talk to each other over DMI 3.0, which offers comparable bandwidth PCI-Express 3.0 x4. The AMD "Valhalla" platform implements PCI-Express 4.0 x4 between the SoC and X570 chipset. The platform's main PCI-Express x16 slot will remain gen 3.0.

Intel appears to have put much of its efforts into improving its 14 nanometer node one last time, and increasing core-counts with the introduction of a new 10-core silicon that does away with iGPU. With its "Skylake" core IPC within 5% of that of "Zen 2," and gaming performance leadership still held onto by a hair's breadth, Intel will focus on bolstering multi-thread performance by enabling HyperThreading on even its Core i5 and Core i3 desktop processor models, while providing more cores to the Dollar compared to its 9th generation "Coffee Lake Refresh."

The Core i3 series will be 4-core/8-thread, the Core i5 series 6-core/12-thread, the Core i7 series 8-core/16-thread, and the flagship Core i9 series 10-core/20-thread. Intel will leverage its refined 14 nm node to increase clock-speeds across the board, with its 10-core silicon having a TDP rating of 125 W, and not the 105 W we saw the other day. The Gen 9.5 iGPU on the 4/6/8-core models will be bolstered with more features via software, and be branded under the UHD 700-series.

With its mainstream desktop platform embattled, Intel will try to appease the PC enthusiast crowd by launching a new HEDT (high-end desktop) platform based on "Cascade Lake," codenamed "Glacial Falls," by Q4-2019. The new 14 nm "Cascade Lake-X" processor will be compatible with existing X299 chipset motherboards via a BIOS update, offer CPU core-counts of up to 18, TDP of up to 165 W, and increased performance via higher clock-speeds. It will compete with AMD's existing 2nd generation Ryzen Threadripper family. AMD's plans for a 3rd generation Threadripper based on the "Rome" MCM is on the back-burner even if not dead, with the company focusing on making sure it sells the high-margin 2nd generation EPYC processor in adequate volumes.
Source: XFastest
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98 Comments on Intel "Comet Lake" Not Before 2020, "Ice Lake-S" Not Before Q3-2020, Roadmap Suggests

#28
xkm1948
Th3pwn3rIn my 20+ years of cpu building and such I have never seen Intel seem this bad, I don't think I've ever really seen them behind like this....ugh, I'm buying a 3600x more than likely BUT this is not good for anyone really in my opinion.
Pentium D era was really bad for them as well
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#29
TheGuruStud
Ice lake before end of 2021 on desktop? Not happening unless it's quad cores or on 14nm lol
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#30
Vya Domus
I swear they must have a flowchart which they take out every time they need to work out a new strategy which always leads to "we need a new socket/chipset".

I can only wish them good luck with that.
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#31
dirtyferret
New tech announcements to make the just released tech obsolete? Well this is a first in PC hardware....
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#32
BadFrog
ZoneDymoLGA1200, a new socket boiiis !
I think they mentioned a socket 1159
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#33
ZoneDymo
Th3pwn3rIn my 20+ years of cpu building and such I have never seen Intel seem this bad, I don't think I've ever really seen them behind like this....ugh, I'm buying a 3600x more than likely BUT this is not good for anyone really in my opinion.
its been the other way around for a while now, from Core 2 Duo until now really.
So it will be fine.
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#34
Manu_PT
Th3pwn3rIn my 20+ years of cpu building and such I have never seen Intel seem this bad, I don't think I've ever really seen them behind like this....ugh, I'm buying a 3600x more than likely BUT this is not good for anyone really in my opinion.
Not really, because Intel still superior in some scenarios. If AMD could have waited 3 months more and squeeze 4,5ghz clocks ALL cores on these chips, then yeah, Intel would be in a place that you didn´t see for a long time.. I wish AMD waited a bit longer and had a more refined 7nm. The chips come out of the box on their limit already. With their superior IPC and threads, they would win in games aswell (high refresh scenarios).
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#35
skates
I wonder how Kyle Bennet will spin this.
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#36
Mephis
btarunrZen3 on-track for Computex 2020. They'll use 7 nm EUV to clock those processors to Kingdom Come.
Kind of like how Zen 2 begs to be overclocked?
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#37
dicktracy
Intel has the better arch since 2017 (Ice Lake) but is held back by their own fabs. Desktop 10nm is just a dream and they'll most likely jump straight to 7nm when it's ready. Zen 3 will probably remain unchallenged in 2020-2021.
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#38
phanbuey
MephisKind of like how Zen 2 begs to be overclocked?
They said it would BEG to be overclocked... not that it actually would do it. It really wants to though. Really does.
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#39
dicktracy
Manu_PTNot really, because Intel still superior in some scenarios. If AMD could have waited 3 months more and squeeze 4,5ghz clocks ALL cores on these chips, then yeah, Intel would be in a place that you didn´t see for a long time.. I wish AMD waited a bit longer and had a more refined 7nm. The chips come out of the box on their limit already. With their superior IPC and threads, they would win in games aswell (high refresh scenarios).
3900x has brutal temps at merely stock clock. 3950x? Forget it about it... 7nm doesn't look like the magic pill that allows high core counts with high clock speeds. I can now see why Threadripper got axed for this year's roadmap... wait for 7nm+.
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#40
havox
dicktracyI can now see why Threadripper got axed for this year's roadmap... wait for 7nm+.
There have been mulltiple official confirmations from AMD that Threadripper 3000 is still happening this year.
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#41
jabbadap
skatesI wonder how Kyle Bennet will spin this.
Probably could care a less... He does not work for Intel anymore, he has more important family matters to take care of.
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#42
dicktracy
havoxThere have been mulltiple official confirmations from AMD that Threadripper 3000 is still happening this year.
They only said Threadripper is still alive but nothing about it coming this year.
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#43
trog100
dicktracy3900x has brutal temps at merely stock clock. 3950x? Forget it about it... 7nm doesn't look like the magic pill that allows high core counts with high clock speeds. I can now see why Threadripper got axed for this year's roadmap... wait for 7nm+.
the ability to add more cores has exceeded the ability to cool them.. :)

trog
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#44
GoldenX
Now, if this starts becoming an AMD monopoly, it will not be funny.
God damn it Intel, why so useless now?
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#45
Assimilator
dicktracy3900x has brutal temps at merely stock clock. 3950x? Forget it about it... 7nm doesn't look like the magic pill that allows high core counts with high clock speeds. I can now see why Threadripper got axed for this year's roadmap... wait for 7nm+.
It's almost like cramming more than 8 physical cores into a desktop-sized package is a challenge... yet AMD has a 12-core desktop CPU available today while Intel has 8 cores, and AMD will have a 16-core model available before Intel's "competing" 10-core CPU launches.
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#46
skates
jabbadapProbably could care a less... He does not work for Intel anymore, he has more important family matters to take care of.
I thought he went to work for Intel just last March. You mean he only spent 4 months there after hardocp?
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#47
Turmania
Intel at least should offer a refresh something like i9-9950K couple hundred more base clock, and more boost clock and perhaps they can tweak performance. They can do this on i9, i7 and i5 models.
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#48
bug
All I got is "we still can't make Ice Lake CPU for yet another year".
One more push for me to upgrade this fall.
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#49
trog100
TurmaniaIntel at least should offer a refresh something like i9-9950K couple hundred more base clock, and more boost clock and perhaps they can tweak performance. They can do this on i9, i7 and i5 models.
you mean work some miracles.. just add a couple more heat generating cores.. clock them a bit higher and still control the heat.. yeh right.. he he

trog
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