Wednesday, July 31st 2019

ASUS Confirms Existence of X590 Boards for AMD Ryzen CPUs

According to VideoCardz'es sources at ASUS, they have received confirmation that ASUS is working on new motherboards for AMD's unannounced chipset offerings, X590 and possibly even X599. In ASUS'es internal documentation two motherboards are appearing with X590 name, PRIME X590-PRO and ROG STRIX X590-E.

These motherboards are named similarly as the current offering from ASUS, the PRIME X570-PRO and ROG STRIX X570-E Gaming, so even though that we don't know if these models will ever hit the market, there is great possibility. Additionally, there is another chipset refresh coming, but now for the HEDT space. ASUS is working on ZENITH II EXTREME, an update to first ZENITH EXTREME motherboard (based on X399 chipset), which is expected to feature updated X599 chipset and should support new ThreadRipper 3000 series of CPUs. For now, we don't have any details of either two chipsets nor the improvements they will bring.
Source: VideoCardz
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36 Comments on ASUS Confirms Existence of X590 Boards for AMD Ryzen CPUs

#1
HwGeek
Maybe The X590 will be X399 refresh with PCIE Gen4 while the X599 will be higher tier TR MB with 8CH memory and more PCIe4 lanes/more NVME lanes?
X590 for TR upto 32C and X599 for 48C/64C 8 chiplet based TR.
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#2
kapone32
HwGeek, post: 4089888, member: 185585"
Maybe The X590 will be X399 refresh with PCIE Gen4 while the X599 will be higher tier TR MB with 8CH memory and more PCIe4 lanes/more NVME lanes?
X590 for TR upto 32C and X599 for 48C/64C 8 chiplet based TR.
It is entirely possible that the 590 is for the current Tr4 chips with a PCI_E 4.0 chipset and the X599 be exactly what you said. I see no reason why at 7nm that we would not see up to 120 lanes coming from the 3000 chips. That would be totally insane though. Just imagine 5 fully wired PCI_Ex16 slots on a board and then maybe 4 USB C ports and 20 USB 3.1 or 3.2 ports with 12 SATA ports.
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#3
windwhirl
I have trouble trying to imagine what kind of feature(s) would X590 bring that would be good enough to make a different chipset while not getting in X599 turf.

Seems like AMD is pushing the pedal to the metal...
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#4
kapone32
windwhirl, post: 4089907, member: 175818"
I have trouble trying to imagine what kind of feature(s) would X590 bring that would be good enough to make a different chipset while not getting in X599 turf.

Seems like AMD is pushing the pedal to the metal...
Chipset support for PCI_E 4.0
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#5
Aqeel Shahzad
Not coming out before falls i presume...
Amd might be waiting for Intel to play its card first.
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#6
Imsochobo
Aqeel Shahzad, post: 4089917, member: 162480"
Not coming out before falls i presume...
Amd might be waiting for Intel to play its card first.
Intel have playd all their cards pretty much.
Atleast on desktop, Laptops however I am mighty excited about cause frequency is usually in 3ghz range and ipc, 10 nm.
Might end up being the jump we all wanted.

Also the improved gpu performance which might get mighty close to vega IGPU which likely will plant Intels feet very steadily in laptops!
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#7
EarthDog
HwGeek, post: 4089888, member: 185585"
Maybe The X590 will be X399 refresh with PCIE Gen4 while the X599 will be higher tier TR MB with 8CH memory and more PCIe4 lanes/more NVME lanes?
X590 for TR upto 32C and X599 for 48C/64C 8 chiplet based TR.
I would find it incredibly odd if they named their HEDT platform with the same 'convention' as they did mainstream. The x99 part is what sets it apart from the x70 mainstream parts.
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#8
Aqeel Shahzad
Imsochobo, post: 4089923, member: 66457"
Intel have playd all their cards pretty much.
Atleast on desktop, Laptops however I am mighty excited about cause frequency is usually in 3ghz range and ipc, 10 nm.
Might end up being the jump we all wanted.

Also the improved gpu performance which might get mighty close to vega IGPU which likely will plant Intels feet very steadily in laptops!
TBH Intel being concerned with Data Center growth and formal AI grounds. And Integration of the PCH on the processor part of 10th gen as well bringing out a refresh of HEDT X series lineup. I am dead sure Amd is hiding its cards and giving time to Intel for expose of its ace.

EarthDog, post: 4089926, member: 79836"
I would find it incredibly odd if they named their HEDT platform with the same 'convention' as they did mainstream. The x99 part is what sets it apart from the x70 mainstream parts.
Well consumers always were attracted by those series names.
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#9
HwGeek
EarthDog, post: 4089926, member: 79836"
I would find it incredibly odd if they named their HEDT platform with the same 'convention' as they did mainstream. The x99 part is what sets it apart from the x70 mainstream parts.
if they decide to go for 64C with 8Ch memory and same I/O size chipset as ROME then they need different MB tier, it makes more sense to have 2 tiers for TR4 then another variant for AM4.
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#10
EarthDog
Aqeel Shahzad, post: 4089930, member: 162480"
Well consumers always were attracted by those series names.
That is my point. I don't see them using the xx0 naming for TR
HwGeek, post: 4089946, member: 185585"
if they decide to go for 64C with 8Ch memory and same I/O size chipset as ROME then they need different MB tier, it makes more sense to have 2 tiers for TR4 then another variant for AM4.
I agree that makes sense, but not when the naming reflects a long time mainstream naming convention. IMO they need to keep the x99 naming to distinguish it more clearly from mainstream.
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#11
Jism
kapone32, post: 4089911, member: 181865"
Chipset support for PCI_E 4.0
The Chipset is in the CPU these days, no longer really on the board.

To make PCI-4 compatible, they proberly have to comply to changed signalling PCI-4.0 brings into the party.

But the VRM will proberly be overbuild to pieces on which 99% of the users cant even utilitize to its fullest.
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#12
EarthDog
Jism, post: 4089948, member: 91255"
The Chipset is in the CPU these days, no longer really on the board..
The Northbridge is on the CPU, the chipset/PCH is still on the board. This is why X570 has a chipset heatsink and a fan (because the chipset went from 4W to 11W).
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#13
kapone32
Jism, post: 4089948, member: 91255"
The Chipset is in the CPU these days, no longer really on the board.

To make PCI-4 compatible, they proberly have to comply to changed signalling PCI-4.0 brings into the party.

But the VRM will proberly be overbuild to pieces on which 99% of the users cant even utilitize to its fullest.
Yes I know that but currently there are 4 PCI-E lanes on the chipset the CPU has 60. All we need for PCI_E 4.0 to work on X399 is a BIOS update.
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#14
Jism
EarthDog, post: 4089950, member: 79836"
The Northbridge is on the CPU, the chipset/PCH is still on the board. This is why X570 has a chipset heatsink and a fan (because the chipset went from 4W to 11W).
The chipset doesnt require the full 11w. Its for the NVME ssd actually.
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#15
EarthDog
Jism, post: 4089954, member: 91255"
The chipset doesnt require the full 11w. Its for the NVME ssd actually.
Well aware (its PCIe 4.0 in general)... but the point is that there is a PCH/chipset chip that is external. It is not on the CPU.
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#16
Aqeel Shahzad
Jism, post: 4089948, member: 91255"
The Chipset is in the CPU these days, no longer really on the board.

To make PCI-4 compatible, they proberly have to comply to changed signalling PCI-4.0 brings into the party.

But the VRM will proberly be overbuild to pieces on which 99% of the users cant even utilitize to its fullest.
Lol i guess you are already living in the 2021. Its still a hoax from Intel porting the only PCH on motherboards to be the part of processor as well.
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#17
Camm
The only thing I can vaguely think of with this is that X599 will be a dual socket capable system.
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#18
cucker tarlson
HwGeek, post: 4089888, member: 185585"
Maybe The X590 will be X399 refresh with PCIE Gen4 while the X599 will be higher tier TR MB with 8CH memory and more PCIe4 lanes/more NVME lanes?
X590 for TR upto 32C and X599 for 48C/64C 8 chiplet based TR.
seems like x590 is gonna be an even more ridiculosly priced "mainstream" for 16 cores.
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#19
kapone32
cucker tarlson, post: 4089965, member: 173472"
seems like x590 is gonna be an even more ridiculosly priced "mainstream" for 16 cores.
That too might be true. It might even come with a PLX chip for more PCI_E lanes.
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#20
Jism
Aqeel Shahzad, post: 4089962, member: 162480"
Lol i guess you are already living in the 2021. Its still a hoax from Intel porting the only PCH on motherboards to be the part of processor as well.
For PCI-4.0 to be active, you need a 3x00 series CPU. Even if you plant a 2x00 series CPU into a 5xx motherboard, PCI-4.0 doesnt work.

So yeah in a way the CPU (AMD) holds a great portion of the chipset, NB, PCI-E, memory controller and what more. The southbridge you see on motherboards is there to make all the connectivity such as S-ata, some PCI-E ports and what more.

Derbaurer tested where the new 11w power consumption came from. It was from the NVME SSD instead of the actual chipset. Without that SSD the thing doesnt even get close to need a heatsink.
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#21
kapone32
Jism, post: 4089975, member: 91255"
For PCI-4.0 to be active, you need a 3x00 series CPU. Even if you plant a 2x00 series CPU into a 5xx motherboard, PCI-4.0 doesnt work.

So you are telling me that a PCI_E 4.0 NVME drive would not work with an X570 + 2700x?
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#22
Jism
It would be on PCI-3.0 speeds instead of 4.0. Same as graphic cards. Its backwards compatible.
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#23
kapone32
Jism, post: 4089987, member: 91255"
It would be on PCI-3.0 speeds instead of 4.0. Same as graphic cards. Its backwards compatible.
Interesting indeed.
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#24
EarthDog
@kapone32 - You've been borking quotes lately... your response is inside the quote and hard to figure out, lol.


Jism, post: 4089975, member: 91255"
So yeah in a way the CPU (AMD) holds a great portion of the chipset
'in a way' is more accurate than saying it is in the CPU. SUPPORT for those items are in the CPU, but the functionality is handled by the chipset.... which again is not in the CPU. There is literally no northbridge on motherboards... but there is, literally, a PCH on boards.
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#25
Jism
The motherboard is just the interconnect to every device in your computer. The (AMD) CPU holds all the key assets.

But apart from PCI-4.0, 5x0 doesnt offer that much benefit on top of a 4x0 board. Even a high-end 12 core CPU works perfectly fine on a 50$ budget board: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-tested-on-cheap-b350-motherboard/

Its because AMD changed the rules related to mobo vendors. They have to build a proper VRM in the first place to prevent a clusterfuck that happend on the FX platform, where motherboards where incapable of providing proper power to faster FX CPU´s (Causing throttling, lower performance).
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