Thursday, May 28th 2020

AMD 5th Gen Ryzen Desktop Possibly Codenamed "Warhol"

Earlier this week, we brought you a report about codenames of AMD processors that won't launch before 2022. It referenced "Raphael" being distant 5 nm "Zen 4" based successor to today's "Matisse." At the time, the codename for the 2021 release of AMD's mainstream desktop processor wasn't known. We're now getting a pointer as to what it is - "Warhol."

Named after American artist and filmmaker Andy Warhol, this processor combines CPU chiplets based on the "Zen 3" with a cIOD that retains PCI-Express gen 4.0, just like "Vermeer," but still qualifies as a new generation (and not a refresh). What's more, "Warhol" apparently sticks to a 7 nm-class silicon fabrication process. This means that "Warhol" could see AMD innovate on other fronts, such as leveraging an even more advanced version of TSMC's 7 nm node (such as N7+), to increase core counts over the chiplet that makes it to "Vermeer, "Genesis Peak," and "Milan."
Sources: MeibuW, VideoCardz
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18 Comments on AMD 5th Gen Ryzen Desktop Possibly Codenamed "Warhol"

#1
Cranky5150
Horrible name TBH.....What "beatnick" wasn't available ?
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jmcslob
Are they going to have an Andy name scheme?
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#3
harm9963
15 Mins of fame, Torso :roll:
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#4
Bones
I guess eventually we'll have one called "Campbell"........
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#5
ymbaja
Terrible name...
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#6
thanhnv
ymbaja
Terrible name...
No! Warhol in Andy Warhol
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#7
ratirt
Maybe this is a diversion of some sort. Show one hand but not the other.
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Vayra86
Cranky5150
Horrible name TBH.....What "beatnick" wasn't available ?
Inb4 "NIckelback"
jmcslob
Are they going to have an Andy name scheme?
That'd be pretty hilarious too :D
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#9
djisas
Intell should be naming their current series chernobyl, since they can cause a reactor meltdown if you overvolt them...
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#10
theonek
well, for 2022 we were expecting entirely new cpu's and sockets from amd, which will support ddr5 and next gen pci-e, but as i doubted in that before, it is rightful to think this will be several years to come to the mainstream though..... so no any major update next few years on the platforms, except graphics card only...
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#11
Caring1
From brilliant artists, to Andy Warhol, I suppose they may as well name the next in line, Rolf Harris.
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#12
AusWolf
Name one "Cobain", and I'll be the first buyer! :D

Jokes aside, why are codenames so important nowadays that they deserve complete news articles? I mean, who cares if my CPU is codenamed "cr@p" if it runs everything brilliantly?
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#14
XiGMAKiD
If it was Intel subsequent code names would be Ashol, Bunghol, Cornhol etc
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#15
InVasMani
I suspect we could end up seeing 5nm on select AM4 motherboards x570 and B550. I'm thinking AMD could shrink both the CCX chiplets and the I/O die to 5nm and offer DDR5 support on a new motherboard x670 along with using the 5nm CCX's on x570/B550 to squeeze in more cores. That satisfy pretty much everyone I believe. AMD could reuse the I/O die for whatever socket puts the nail in the coffin of AM4.

This is a interesting APU, but SFF designed a quad channel LPDDR APU would be really cool along with some M.2 slots probably quad one per memory channel. It'll be grand when AMD can eek out 4 GPU CCX's and 4 CPU CCX's along with a I/O in the middle of them all. I'm not sure if 5nm will be small enough a shrink to reach that point yet, but we're getting closer at least possibly by 3nm.
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djisas
InVasMani
I suspect we could end up seeing 5nm on select AM4 motherboards x570 and B550. I'm thinking AMD could shrink both the CCX chiplets and the I/O die to 5nm and offer DDR5 support on a new motherboard x670 along with using the 5nm CCX's on x570/B550 to squeeze in more cores. That satisfy pretty much everyone I believe. AMD could reuse the I/O die for whatever socket puts the nail in the coffin of AM4.

This is a interesting APU, but SFF designed a quad channel LPDDR APU would be really cool along with some M.2 slots probably quad one per memory channel. It'll be grand when AMD can eek out 4 GPU CCX's and 4 CPU CCX's along with a I/O in the middle of them all. I'm not sure if 5nm will be small enough a shrink to reach that point yet, but we're getting closer at least possibly by 3nm.
What about a X670 AM5 with socket compatibility for AM4 cpus but make Zen 3 AM4 anyway?
Is it asking to much of AMD rofl?
They could have it support Zen 3 and forward...
They can do the I/O on 7nm and save allocation space for the CCX's, X670 will also ofc be on 7nm as well...
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InVasMani
djisas
What about a X670 AM5 with socket compatibility for AM4 cpus but make Zen 3 AM4 anyway?
Is it asking to much of AMD rofl?
They could have it support Zen 3 and forward...
They can do the I/O on 7nm and save allocation space for the CCX's, X670 will also ofc be on 7nm as well...
The move to AM5 would be more about additional CPU pins to work with to help control voltages and such which could help with efficiency or allow higher TDP CPU's and/or higher core count ones. I think AMD will eventually replaced AM4, but I do think there is a strong chance we'll still see up to 5nm and/or any 5nm++ type of general refinement of the same node size kind of thing though I doubt they'll take it to the extreme's of 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++ like Intel no one wants that to happen in perticular especially given Intel's also pushed new chipset after new chipset after new chipet after new chipset at the same node size. It seems like I may have been correct about 5nm potentially judging from TechPowerUp's latest article. about Ryzen 4000 "Vermeer", but it was pure speculation based on TSMC's reporting of 5nm transition going smoothly and it not being far off from the refined 7nm process in the first place. It just seems entirely tangible for AMD to take that approach because the wafer allows for more chips and smaller chips that are more power efficient and can also scale higher.

Right now with AMD in a fairly generally recognizable commanding lead at present it seems like a smart move for AMD to put a even larger strain on Intel and capitalize on it's lead further were they can command a even larger price premium and at the same time get customers on their platform ecosystem that could upgrade later. They might get a more entry level chip initially and purchases a higher end chip down the road in certain cases. Also perhaps the new console APU's are based on 5nm as well or will start at 7nm and will get shrunk down to 5nm quickly after in a refresh.

I was thinking more for Ryzen 5000 series at 5nm, but Ryzen 4000 series potentially being 5nm is a bit of a surprise if AMD decided to delay it a little way further for more convincing node shrink. Now I don't know what will happen with the Ryzen 5000 series though I defiantly think cross compatibility of DDR4 and DDR5 might be on the table and come down to a selection of the I/O die matted to the CPU SKU itself within the same socket perhaps that'll be the x670 socket since it seems Ryzen 4000 series is already supported by x570. To me that seems like the probable thing with the latest unconfirmed news rumor circulating about Vermeer. If Ryzen 4000 series is for example 7 EUV I suspect the Ryzen 5000 series ends up being 5nm (5NP) by the time it arrives to give it a little more oomph.
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