Friday, October 9th 2020
AMD Big Navi Performance Claims Compared to TPU's Own Benchmark Numbers of Comparable GPUs
AMD in its October 8 online launch event for the Ryzen 5000 "Zen 3" processors, provided a teaser of the company's next flagship graphics card slotted in the Radeon RX 6000 series. This particular SKU has been referred to by company CEO Lisa Su as "Big Navi," meaning it could be the top part from AMD's upcoming client GPU lineup. As part of the teaser, Su held up the reference design card, and provided three performance numbers of the card as tested on a machine powered by a Ryzen 9 5900X "Zen 3" processor. We compared these performance numbers, obtained at 4K UHD, with our own testing data for the games, to see how the card compares to other current-gen cards in its class. Our testing data for one of the games is from the latest RTX 30-series reviews, find details of our test bed here. We obviously have a different CPU since the 5900X is unreleased, but use the highest presets in our testing.
With "Borderlands 3" at 4K, with "badass" performance preset and DirectX 12 renderer, AMD claims a frame-rate of 61 FPS. We tested the game with its DirectX 12 renderer in our dedicated performance review (test bed details here). AMD's claimed performance ends up 45.9 percent higher than that of the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti as tested by us, which yields 41.8 FPS on our test bed. The RTX 3080 ends up 15.24 percent faster than Big Navi, with 70.3 FPS. It's important to note here that AMD may be using a different/lighter test scene than us, since we don't use internal benchmark tools of games, and design our own test scenes. It's also important to note that we tested Borderlands 3 with DirectX 12 only in the game's launch-day review, and use the DirectX 11 renderer in our regular VGA reviews.
With Gears 5, AMD claims performance of 73 FPS at 4K, with its DirectX 12 renderer, with the "Ultra" preset. This number ends up 16.24 percent faster than that of the RTX 2080 Ti, which scores 62.8 FPS on our test bed. The RTX 3080 is 15.61 percent faster than the AMD card, at 84.4 FPS.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare was never added to our VGA review test selection, but we tested the game separately at launch (find its test bed information here). In this testing, we found the RTX 2080 Ti to score 77.9 FPS at Ultra Settings, with RTX-off. In comparison, AMD claims Big Navi scores 88 FPS, making it 12.96 percent faster.
We know this is a very coarse and unscientific way to compare AMD's numbers to ours, and AMD has probably cherry-picked games that are most optimized to its GPUs, but it lends plausibility to a theory that Big Navi may end up comparable to the RTX 2080 Ti, and trade blows with the upcoming RTX 3070, which NVIDIA claims outperforms the RTX 2080 Ti. The RX 6000 "Big Navi" ends up with a geometric mean of 21% higher frame-rates than the RTX 2080 Ti in these three tests, which would imply almost double the performance of the RX 5700 XT. Big Navi is rumored to feature double the CUs as the the RX 5700 XT, so the claims somewhat line up.
With "Borderlands 3" at 4K, with "badass" performance preset and DirectX 12 renderer, AMD claims a frame-rate of 61 FPS. We tested the game with its DirectX 12 renderer in our dedicated performance review (test bed details here). AMD's claimed performance ends up 45.9 percent higher than that of the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti as tested by us, which yields 41.8 FPS on our test bed. The RTX 3080 ends up 15.24 percent faster than Big Navi, with 70.3 FPS. It's important to note here that AMD may be using a different/lighter test scene than us, since we don't use internal benchmark tools of games, and design our own test scenes. It's also important to note that we tested Borderlands 3 with DirectX 12 only in the game's launch-day review, and use the DirectX 11 renderer in our regular VGA reviews.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare was never added to our VGA review test selection, but we tested the game separately at launch (find its test bed information here). In this testing, we found the RTX 2080 Ti to score 77.9 FPS at Ultra Settings, with RTX-off. In comparison, AMD claims Big Navi scores 88 FPS, making it 12.96 percent faster.
We know this is a very coarse and unscientific way to compare AMD's numbers to ours, and AMD has probably cherry-picked games that are most optimized to its GPUs, but it lends plausibility to a theory that Big Navi may end up comparable to the RTX 2080 Ti, and trade blows with the upcoming RTX 3070, which NVIDIA claims outperforms the RTX 2080 Ti. The RX 6000 "Big Navi" ends up with a geometric mean of 21% higher frame-rates than the RTX 2080 Ti in these three tests, which would imply almost double the performance of the RX 5700 XT. Big Navi is rumored to feature double the CUs as the the RX 5700 XT, so the claims somewhat line up.
262 Comments on AMD Big Navi Performance Claims Compared to TPU's Own Benchmark Numbers of Comparable GPUs
Steam could be biased against non gaming specific GPU like Vega or Radeon VII, but Navi is not one of those.
Steam do not use aggregated data, so it doesn't care how many Navi are sold in total, just how many users have Navi card in their system at the begining of the month divided by the total number of users participated in the survey. Therefore each month's data is not complete by itself, it should be compared to previous months in order to reveal the trend in hardware ownership.
Anyways 1% in Steam users means 1 million people bought the 5700XT, that already is a significant number of sale. Reaching 1% in Steam should equate to going platinum :D (1 million sale)
The entire Navi problem is blown out of proportion, unless you are a total rookie in the PC tech which means you will have even a mouse pad problems.I think it's more than 1% as of today.
About the RDNA2 and the new NAVI. I really have some expectations and I hope these cards will end up around 3080 performance at least. If it turns out, these are even faster that's even better.
Waiting patiently to see if the RDNA2 is a game changer or not really. The benchmarks (showed by AMD) bring some optimism but it's better to wait for the final product and reviews. Besides, we don't know what card AMD teased anyway. Hopefully the RX 6000 series keynote will bring more information and shed some light on the matter.
This had been going on for decades in this industry and it's not something you can say only one party partakes in.
We can only asume that its going to be more than one, probably 2 or 3.
Also one can roughly estimate the performance of the 80CU one based on leaks about the full die size, the improvements (density and perf/watt) of the 7nm enhanced node, the clocks and so on...
But whatever makes you feel better.
steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/1696046342855998716/
Now steam is a complete neutral party, they have nothing to gain supporting either AMD or Nvidia.
You just listen to every nonsense that the Scott "jebaited" dude are feeding aren't you.
Steam wildly contrasts actual retailer sales (e.g. mindfactory) and most market share reports.
Or better yet, AMD's own Q1 and Q2 earning where they barely made any money in GPU sales ?
Q1 2020
Q2 2020
Or Jon Peddie research ?
Anyways provide whatever source you want, as long as they are not from the "Jebaited" dude then they are good info.
He knew Steam already fixed the counting algorithm and he used old data trying to discredit Steam Survey.
What else is new ? water is wet ? :roll:
I am sure the second hand market gets flooded with very young and cheap nvidia cards
I actually see constant improvements with the current 5700XT with the latest 20.9.2 albeit that it sometimes crashes
When i turned off v-sync and compared to my mates 2080TI system we where both stunned.
Running several games with insane high fps baffled me, my friend with his 2080TI was sittings next to me with his machine and i got between 60 up to 400 fps while his machine ran between 80 and 240 fps with the same settings
Even besides those numbers we noticed that the game looked much better on my machine at ultra, we really could not believe what we saw with our own eyes
He actually demanded to show me the inside of my machine, and checked all settings several times :D
The average fps when playing Horizon Zero Dawn is 257,6 FPS however it shows some tearing when it goes beyond 300 fps
Running the silly synthetic benchmarks shows ofcourse much lower numbers than the nvidia counterparts.Even though i agree that the net profit is not so big they are slowly gaining more ground in every aspect of the market
I also saw so many actually want to people jump on the latest nvidia release without even thinking about what AMD is going to offer.
Many of my friends have already ordered and payed in advance for their new nvidia toy without ever knowing when they will get it.
I actually decided to wait and see what happens this far we asume that what AMD has showed or has been leaked that it will be the top card.
However thats pure speculation
Especially now AMD already showed that they are back into the race and even surpassed Intel with their latest 5950X as a big surprise getting a boost clock of 4.9 Ghz at the end of the show.
That shows what have been leaked not allways is that you are sure as hell not should accept as being the reality, and that a pleasant surprise as this is possible at each moment.
I actually am sure to set aside some money to buy me into the AMD products as soon as there are very good motherboards with more pci-e lanes than the previous not so GOOD gaming motherboards.
Yes i know i am darn spoiled and demanding but hey i want to spend a small fortune only on something really good, and not on a pci-e sharing crap product every time i want to buy a new machine.
He wasn't specific about what issues were not addressed.
Steam figures contrast with other sources, major retailer stats being one of them, I don't get why you don't let that dead horse just be.
Mindfactory had AMD (unit) market share between 29%-39% for this year, with 5700 series and 2070 series being the most popular models.
Steam data represent what GPU are being used by Steam users.
Mindfactory data are number of GPU being sold.
Steam is the absolute percentage while Mindfactory is the relative change, get it ?
Let say there are 100 millions dGPU circulating the market with Nvidia 80% and AMD 20%, an additional 1 million GPU being introduced into the market every month with Nvidia and AMD selling equal amount of cards would make that market share barely change (79.7% vs 20.3%), get it ?
So stop comparing apple to orange.
Also Mindfactory is a single retailer, that is like asking who would win the POTUS election by counting votes in a single city.