Friday, October 9th 2020

AMD Big Navi Performance Claims Compared to TPU's Own Benchmark Numbers of Comparable GPUs

AMD in its October 8 online launch event for the Ryzen 5000 "Zen 3" processors, provided a teaser of the company's next flagship graphics card slotted in the Radeon RX 6000 series. This particular SKU has been referred to by company CEO Lisa Su as "Big Navi," meaning it could be the top part from AMD's upcoming client GPU lineup. As part of the teaser, Su held up the reference design card, and provided three performance numbers of the card as tested on a machine powered by a Ryzen 9 5900X "Zen 3" processor. We compared these performance numbers, obtained at 4K UHD, with our own testing data for the games, to see how the card compares to other current-gen cards in its class. Our testing data for one of the games is from the latest RTX 30-series reviews, find details of our test bed here. We obviously have a different CPU since the 5900X is unreleased, but use the highest presets in our testing.

With "Borderlands 3" at 4K, with "badass" performance preset and DirectX 12 renderer, AMD claims a frame-rate of 61 FPS. We tested the game with its DirectX 12 renderer in our dedicated performance review (test bed details here). AMD's claimed performance ends up 45.9 percent higher than that of the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti as tested by us, which yields 41.8 FPS on our test bed. The RTX 3080 ends up 15.24 percent faster than Big Navi, with 70.3 FPS. It's important to note here that AMD may be using a different/lighter test scene than us, since we don't use internal benchmark tools of games, and design our own test scenes. It's also important to note that we tested Borderlands 3 with DirectX 12 only in the game's launch-day review, and use the DirectX 11 renderer in our regular VGA reviews.
With Gears 5, AMD claims performance of 73 FPS at 4K, with its DirectX 12 renderer, with the "Ultra" preset. This number ends up 16.24 percent faster than that of the RTX 2080 Ti, which scores 62.8 FPS on our test bed. The RTX 3080 is 15.61 percent faster than the AMD card, at 84.4 FPS.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare was never added to our VGA review test selection, but we tested the game separately at launch (find its test bed information here). In this testing, we found the RTX 2080 Ti to score 77.9 FPS at Ultra Settings, with RTX-off. In comparison, AMD claims Big Navi scores 88 FPS, making it 12.96 percent faster.

We know this is a very coarse and unscientific way to compare AMD's numbers to ours, and AMD has probably cherry-picked games that are most optimized to its GPUs, but it lends plausibility to a theory that Big Navi may end up comparable to the RTX 2080 Ti, and trade blows with the upcoming RTX 3070, which NVIDIA claims outperforms the RTX 2080 Ti. The RX 6000 "Big Navi" ends up with a geometric mean of 21% higher frame-rates than the RTX 2080 Ti in these three tests, which would imply almost double the performance of the RX 5700 XT. Big Navi is rumored to feature double the CUs as the the RX 5700 XT, so the claims somewhat line up.
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262 Comments on AMD Big Navi Performance Claims Compared to TPU's Own Benchmark Numbers of Comparable GPUs

#251
Adam Krazispeed
jesdals
I could live with that if the price is belowe the 3080
sorry techpowerup but this is my bet...... big navi XT/XTX 6900 XTX/XT that is 2400Mhz game clock possibly 2.6/2.7ghz boost (MAX) boost clocks.. 135-137% relative Performance......sorry i got more info i cant share yet.... hehe this is all i can do.. for now!!!
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#252
hat
Enthusiast
2.4GHz? :wtf:
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#253
medi01
hat
2.4GHz? :wtf:
Overhyping is a method to make launch of an excellent product a disappointment.
One of the FUD arsenal moves.

36CU RDNA2 chip (PS5) base is 1.8GHz and it boosts to only 2.23GHz, there is no way 80CU chip would have "base clock" of 2.4.

56CU RDNA chip (XSeX) clocks at 1.825Ghz (no boosting).

2.4+ GHz as base is just FUD campaign.
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#254
Zach_01
medi01
Overhyping is a method to make launch of an excellent product a disappointment.
I agree! There is no need for this...
medi01
36CU RDNA2 chip (PS5) base is 1.8GHz and it boosts to only 2.23GHz, there is no way 80CU chip would have "base clock" of 2.4.

56CU RDNA chip (XSeX) clocks at 1.825Ghz (no boosting).

2.4+ GHz as base is just FUD campaign.
You actually cannot base the clock assumptions upon consoles. High-end dGPUs have a power budget higher than an entire console that includs a CPU and other stuff too.
I'm not saying that an 80CU Navi21 will boost to 2.7GHz. Maybe boosting to 2.3~2.4GHz is viable.
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#256
INSTG8R
Vanguard Beta Tester
Adam Krazispeed
ssed on Techpowerups specs and bench
Problem with that is all those cards were using completely different settings, API and benchmark scenarios. All they have in common is the same game and same resolution
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#257
Adam Krazispeed
i modified this to where i belive the 6900xt/xtx will sit in the stack on release
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#258
INSTG8R
Vanguard Beta Tester
Adam Krazispeed
i modified this to where i belive the 6900xt/xtx will sit in the stack on release
I like your optimism. I’m total Red Team but I have to remain sceptical. The leaked numbers that are floating around look promising but until they turn into benchable performance numbers they don’t mean much.
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#259
theoneandonlymrk
nguyen
Let me tell you that you don't understand the fundamental difference between Steam data and Mindfactory data.
Steam data represent what GPU are being used by Steam users.
Mindfactory data are number of GPU being sold.
Steam is the absolute percentage while Mindfactory is the relative change, get it ?

Let say there are 100 millions dGPU circulating the market with Nvidia 80% and AMD 20%, an additional 1 million GPU being introduced into the market every month with Nvidia and AMD selling equal amount of cards would make that market share barely change (79.7% vs 20.3%), get it ?

So stop comparing apple to orange.

Also Mindfactory is a single retailer, that is like asking who would win the POTUS election by counting votes in a single city.
Pot, kettle, black, you see steam stats as that golden single source your berating others for seeing In mindfactory.

Neither can be the last word clearly.
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#260
medi01
Zach_01
I agree! There is no need for this...


You actually cannot base the clock assumptions upon consoles. High-end dGPUs have a power budget higher than an entire console that includs a CPU and other stuff too.
I'm not saying that an 80CU Navi21 will boost to 2.7GHz. Maybe boosting to 2.3~2.4GHz is viable.
If 80CU could have 2.4Ghz base, then 56CU will definitely go beyond 1.8Ghz.
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