Wednesday, November 18th 2020

Surprising Absolutely No One, AMD RX 6800 Series Pretty Much Out of Stock, And Scalping Becomes a Pervasive Industry Problem

The title says it all, really. We've only just been able to add AMD's latest RX 6800 and 6800 XT graphics cards to our shopping carts in multiple etailers, but the cat is already out of the bag and into scalpers' pockets. This has been a recurring event for all gaming-related tech, from DIY PC parts to the latest-gen games consoles from both Microsoft and Sony. At this point, it becomes moot to talk about availability issues, or demand issues, or reaching a conclusion between the two - the stock just isn't there for anything gaming-related, period.

Some etailers are only selling their graphics cards in-person, as a way to both control flow of stock and protect themselves from scalpers buying up the entire inventory with recourse to some digital sidekicks that automate the purchase process, and then allow them to resell anything from graphics cards from NVIDIA to AMD, passing through AMD's latest Ryzen 5000 series and the Xbox Series X and PS5 gaming consoles.
At a time where the COVID pandemic is still well underway and has actually been ever more pervasive and threatening in these winter months across the world (where winter months apply at this time of year, eh), the decision to only carry in-store inventory not only forces more people to enter possible infection scenarios, but also overturns the entire purchase process. Perhaps the time has come for etailers to actually review their online sale policies, and make things as hard as possible for scalpers to circumvent their (at times laughable) order mechanisms.
Selling only a single graphics card per purchase, not allowing the same credit card or billing information to be used for copies of the same or comparable articles, introducing captchas for every finalized cart, not allowing shipment for the same address, instituting a queue system that removes the products from stock for all but the contacted customers, and even manual filtering of orders like NVIDIA instituted on their store - these would all be sensible, partial solutions to fix this problem for the consumer, whilst simultaneously protecting customers from (I'm sorry) pretty poor choices in demanding they physically go to a store to maybe be able to get that latest gaming console or graphics card.
Of course, I guess for etailers, a sale is a sale, wherever and however it's done. They don't deal with the brand damage that surfaces from these practices, and they make their profit - as small as it sometimes is - all the same. For them, a card off the shelf is a card off the shelf, and that's that.
Source: TechSpot
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101 Comments on Surprising Absolutely No One, AMD RX 6800 Series Pretty Much Out of Stock, And Scalping Becomes a Pervasive Industry Problem

#1
lynx29
I was lucky enough to get a rx 6800, not XT but I am still super happy!! I didn't think i was, about 9:27am rolled around I was still trying about to give up... and finally got through... lol
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#2
Turmania
But but AMD announced publicly to run seller's business to avoid scalpers? They did not listen did they? So it is not AMD's fault. Right? It is always Nvidia's, Intel's and or sellers fault, never theirs right?
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#3
lynx29
Turmania
But but AMD announced publicly to run seller's business to avoid scalpers? They did not listen did they? So it is not AMD's fault. Right? It is always Nvidia's, Intel's and or sellers fault, never theirs right?
it probably was mostly bots and scalpers, but I can tell you right now I think demand is also just super high right now cause of Covid. so its hard to know the actual percentages of legit vs the meanies.

also, will post benches as soon as mine gets here, y'all know I am not a scalper, so at least 1 non-scalper got one, and I am not a bot... unless Elon Musk is correct and this is all a simulation :roll:

my point is I am sure I am not alone ^ would be interesting to see actual percentages is all I am saying.
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#4
TheLostSwede
Since it's in the middle of night here, most shops haven't updated their inventory, but at least a couple of shops seem to have stock.
Plenty of 3090's and 3080's in stock here though.
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#5
Rahnak
No stock over here from either one.

Also, I think we need to make a petition to disable lynx29's signature forever.
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#6
Chomiq

30 units in stock, with pick up as soon as Friday.
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#7
lynx29
Chomiq

30 units in stock, with pick up as soon as Friday.
you going to grab one? do it man!!!
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#8
Chomiq
lynx29
you going to grab one? do it man!!!
Nope, waiting for partner cards.

Edit.
And they're gone:

Last unit left.
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#9
wiak
heh is this any news?, its been like this for alot of gpu releases since forever
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#10
Dave65
Turmania
But but AMD announced publicly to run seller's business to avoid scalpers? They did not listen did they? So it is not AMD's fault. Right? It is always Nvidia's, Intel's and or sellers fault, never theirs right?
WOW TRIGGERED!
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#11
kurosagi01
New hardware going out of stock was going to happen sooner than later to be honest, every enthusiast, casual gamers,self employed and people working from home will be looking at upgrading machines or purchasing pre-built PCs with latest hardware will be going fast.
Consoles selling out fast due to people working from home,which will lead to having more time to be able to play games after it hits the 4/5/6pm mark.
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#12
Khonjel
Kyle Benett (woah! that guy who ran HardOCP? yeah) said that the real launch is 25th November, seven days from now. The AIB launch date. Since AIBs don’t fear AMD like they do Nvidia, they're gonna keep the chips for their own and push minimal amount of reference cards, which are made by Sapphire anyway.
Chomiq
Nope, waiting for partner cards.

Edit.
And they're gone:

Last unit left.
If I learned one thing watching Buildzoid's long ass videos when I'm in the loo is that AMD reference cards are built lile tanks, component-wise. Until now only their cooling was sub-par. Now even that is a non-issue. I believe reference cards gonna have the best performance, at least among the reference clock AIB cards.
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#13
ShurikN
Khonjel
Kyle Benett (woah! that guy who ran HardOCP? yeah) said that the real launch is 25th November, seven days from now. The AIB launch date. Since AIBs don’t fear AMD like they do Nvidia, they're gonna keep the chips for their own and push minimal amount of reference cards, which are made by Sapphire anyway.
Was just about to write the same thing. Steve from HWUB said the same thing, with stock stabilizing around Dec.
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#14
Dave65
Tried but failed to get one I never seen any availability at all.
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#15
xkm1948
lynx29
I was lucky enough to get a rx 6800, not XT but I am still super happy!! I didn't think i was, about 9:27am rolled around I was still trying about to give up... and finally got through... lol
Looking forward to finally see your complete build!
Rahnak
No stock over here from either one.

Also, I think we need to make a petition to disable lynx29's signature forever.
You get one vote of yes from me
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#16
Khonjel
ShurikN
Was just about to write the same thing. Steve from HWUB said the same thing, with stock stabilizing around Dec.
But that really does make today's launch a paper launch lol.

Hey, AMD haters on TPU forums! Quote me (and Kyle Benett and Steve from HWUB), AMD did a paper launch. Make AMD lovers mad. Khek! XD
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#17
R0H1T
TheDeeGee
Scalpers need the wild west treatment... hanging.
I always thought this was the wild wild west :shadedshu:
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#19
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
They keep saying that the custom cards from AMD AIBS will be at much higher volume when they hit retail in about 2 weeks. I'm not so sure I buy that.
wiak
heh is this any news?, its been like this for alot of gpu releases since forever
I don't think its been like this. the 5700XT was certainly short on supply, but not like this.

And this isnt just GPU launches that are selling out in 2nds. Consoles, CPUs, etc.
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#20
Toolbag
There is no demand problem. Sure, demand is strong, people are home mostly not spending on other things. But it's not crazy, it's just everyone except Intel have released some stellar products this year, that makes sense to buy (upgrade).

There is a serious supply problem. Apple is OK with their stock levels, but everyone else is extremely behind the curve. Looking at the bits of information that is coming in from retail, neither Nvidia or AMD shipped anywhere near enough units to equal demand. How many 6800?? cards could Amazon have sold today with unlimited supply.... 10,000 in the USA maybe. How many did they have, we will never know, but I wouldn't bet over a 100.

There is only one way to stop scalping and that is having a full inventory to sell at launch. Sneaker scalpers spend over $10k USD on bots plus maintenance fee's. You think captcha's will stop them. These folks have some advanced tech. Even if you or I or Average Joe buys one intent on using it, the lure of double or tripling the price on e-Bay get's in your head.

So why is all this happening. I have a feeling AMD and Intel feel pressure to keep their stock prices up and Wall Street loves these launches. So they paper launch in the Fall knowing they won't ship until Winter/Spring. It creates a buzz and their valuation remains high.
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#21
lynx29
Toolbag
There is no demand problem. Sure, demand is strong, people are home mostly not spending on other things. But it's not crazy, it's just everyone except Intel have released some stellar products this year, that makes sense to buy (upgrade).

There is a serious supply problem. Apple is OK with their stock levels, but everyone else is extremely behind the curve. Looking at the bits of information that is coming in from retail, neither Nvidia or AMD shipped anywhere near enough units to equal demand. How many 6800?? cards could Amazon have sold today with unlimited supply.... 10,000 in the USA maybe. How many did they have, we will never know, but I wouldn't bet over a 100.

There is only one way to stop scalping and that is having a full inventory to sell at launch. Sneaker scalpers spend over $10k USD on bots plus maintenance fee's. You think captcha's will stop them. These folks have some advanced tech. Even if you or I or Average Joe buys one intent on using it, the lure of double or tripling the price on e-Bay get's in your head.

So why is all this happening. I have a feeling AMD and Intel feel pressure to keep their stock prices up and Wall Street loves these launches. So they paper launch in the Fall knowing they won't ship until Winter/Spring. It creates a buzz and their valuation remains high.
Lisa Su trained me in the art of ninja. I needed no bots! I needed no scalpers!!! BROTHERS WHAT WE DO IN LIFE, ECHOES AN ETERNITY!!! ON THIS DAY
ON THIS DAY
I DEFEATED THE BOTS! I DEFEATED THE MAGNATES OF FALSE INDUSTRY!

I CONQUERED THE REALMS OF MAN!!! 5600X AND 6800 ARE MINE AT MSRP PRICE!!!! LONG LIVE LISA SU!!! THE BOTS AND SCALPERS HAVE NO SWAY OVER ME ON THIS DAY!!!!


*HOWLS*


edit: i'll calm down after this mods, I promise :roll: just having too much fun today
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#22
Toolbag
lynx29
Lisa Su trained me in the art of ninja. I needed no bots! I needed no scalpers!!! BROTHERS WHAT WE DO IN LIFE, ECHOES AN ETERNITY!!! ON THIS DAY
ON THIS DAY
I DEFEATED THE BOTS! I DEFEATED THE MAGNATES OF FALSE INDUSTRY!

I CONQUERED THE REALMS OF MAN!!! 5600X AND 6800 ARE MINE AT MSRP PRICE!!!! LONG LIVE LISA SU!!! THE BOTS AND SCALPERS HAVE NO SWAY OVER ME ON THIS DAY!!!!


*HOWLS*
You are definitely the 2020 Silicon lottery winner of the year, grats!
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#23
lynx29
Toolbag
You are definitely the 2020 Silicon lottery winner of the year, grats!
I think a lot of people actually got a 5600x and 6800, would be interesting to see the numbers like I said... but i remember 5600x was actually in steady stock for 15 mins straight almost. compared to nvidia which sold out in 30 seconds
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#24
moproblems99
Why would AMD have had stock concerns? This was the same node.
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#25
ymbaja
Toolbag
There is no demand problem. Sure, demand is strong, people are home mostly not spending on other things. But it's not crazy, it's just everyone except Intel have released some stellar products this year, that makes sense to buy (upgrade).

There is a serious supply problem. Apple is OK with their stock levels, but everyone else is extremely behind the curve. Looking at the bits of information that is coming in from retail, neither Nvidia or AMD shipped anywhere near enough units to equal demand. How many 6800?? cards could Amazon have sold today with unlimited supply.... 10,000 in the USA maybe. How many did they have, we will never know, but I wouldn't bet over a 100.

There is only one way to stop scalping and that is having a full inventory to sell at launch. Sneaker scalpers spend over $10k USD on bots plus maintenance fee's. You think captcha's will stop them. These folks have some advanced tech. Even if you or I or Average Joe buys one intent on using it, the lure of double or tripling the price on e-Bay get's in your head.

So why is all this happening. I have a feeling AMD and Intel feel pressure to keep their stock prices up and Wall Street loves these launches. So they paper launch in the Fall knowing they won't ship until Winter/Spring. It creates a buzz and their valuation remains high.
^^ this
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