Tuesday, February 9th 2021

AMD Zen 4 Reportedly Features a 29% IPC Boost Over Zen 3

While AMD has only released a few Zen 3 processors which are still extremely hard to purchase for RRP we are already receiving leaks on their successors. Zen 3 Milan processors will likely be the final generation of AM4 processors before the switch to AM5. AMD appears to be preparing a bridging series of processors based on the Zen 3+ architecture before the release of Zen 4. Zen 3+ is expected to be AMD's first AM5 CPU design and should bring small IPC gains similar to the improvements from Zen to Zen+ in the range of 4% - 7%. The Zen 3+ processors will be manufactured on TSMC's refined N7 node with a potential announcement sometime later in 2021.

Zen 4 is expected to launch the next year in 2022 and will bring significant improvements potentially up to 40% over Zen 3 after clock boosts according to ChipsandChesse. A Zen 4 Genoa engineering sample reportedly performed 29% faster than an existing Zen 3 CPUs at the same clock speeds and core counts. The Zen 4 architecture will be manufactured on a 5 nm node and could potentially bring another core count increase. This would be one of the largest generational improvements for AMD since the launch of Ryzen if true. Take all this information with a heavy dose of skepticism as with any rumor.
Source: ChipsandCheese
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143 Comments on AMD Zen 4 Reportedly Features a 29% IPC Boost Over Zen 3

#76
Minus Infinity
Maybe my inability to purchase Zen 3 is a blessing and I'll just wait for Zen4 becuase we get AM5 socket, DDR5, possibly PCI-E 5.0 and of course all new MB's. This of course assumes the situation is any better in 2022. TSMC"s lack of capacity will not improve much.
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#77
moproblems99
nguyen
hopefully AM5 CPU bracket is backward compatible with AM4 so that AM4 CPU cooler would work with AM5
If you have a Noctua they will send you any adapters at no cost.
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#78
good11
Nah Zen 3 Milan is the codename of EPYC platform not AM4.


Warhol is it and I think it still on socket AM4 with ZEN3+ for A520/B550/X570 only.
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#79
Isaac`
Cobain
Look, is him! The most famous AMD fanboy on techspot!

Btw 10400f comes with a cooler and its performance doesnt get affected a single bit by using it.

Z490 motherboard? 120€ and you're set. Cooler for 10600k? Cyorig m9i and you are good to go. Still cheaper than 5600x+b550 motherboard.

Oh also forgot that you dont need b die RAM on Intel, wich is more expensive.

You can Say what you want, no One on a budget buys AMD right now. Plus... Stocks are awful anyway.

PS: yes there are common stability issues with zen3. Go on overclock dot net forum and look at the poll. The most recent chips have a high errors rate, at stock! Pure crap.
anyone one on a budget goes amd
the 3200g kicks the i3s teeth in for a quater of the price
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#80
Turmania
I will not be surprised if they make their ryzen 7 xxxx series selling price go up by another 100 by then.
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#81
phanbuey
Turmania
I will not be surprised if they make their ryzen 7 xxxx series selling price go up by another 100 by then.
For sure at least 100... plus DDR5 is going to be expensive AF as well.
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#82
watzupken
Vendor
the i5 also comes with a stock cooler which is enough for it as it's not very power hungry and non-overclockable
Actually it depends on which i5 model you are using. While most of them are not as highly clocked like the i7/i9, and almost all not overclockable, they still draw enough power at load to overwhelm the mini stock cooler that came with it. My younger brother's i5 9400 can hit mid 80 degs when playing CS Go with that stock cooler. Simply by changing it to a third party cooler (I got a Scythe Shuriken 3), load temps are now in the 60s. The Intel stock cooler in my opinion is a bad joke.
Turmania
I will not be surprised if they make their ryzen 7 xxxx series selling price go up by another 100 by then.
WIth cost increasing, this is inevitable. For early adopters of next gen CPUs, there will be significant upgrade cost because you will need to get a new motherboard and likely ram as well. All of which will come with a premium.
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#83
evernessince
Vendor
the i5 also comes with a stock cooler which is enough for it as it's not very power hungry and non-overclockable
The i5 10400F consumes 149W stock, which is only slightly less than the 8700K stock. It is still power hungry. With the stock cooler you are looking at getting up to over 82c in under 20 seconds. Sure, you can run on stock cooler but the CPU will certainly throttle under any sort of sustained loads. At that point though you aren't going to get near the performance shown in benchmarks.

You still want a decent VRM as well and you can only use XMP on Z class motherboards. Again, most reviews use higher than default memory speeds. If the only reason you are buying a 10400F is because of the gaming performance, you had better at least make sure you are actually getting that advantage. The margin in performance in games between the 10400F and 3600 is less than the difference between having RAM set to default speeds and XMP 3200 or higher.

TBH the best deal was when the 1600AF was going for $85 USD. That was an absolute steal. Zen+ IPC, 6 cores, good platform all for under $100. Current CPU prices aren't that good and I would simply advise people to wait if possible.
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#84
lynx29
There is no way Zen 4 will be out in 2022, maybe a paper launch in 2022 like Zen 3 was. Demand is up and won't be going down, so using that excuse doesn't count anymore. I doubt I will even be able to buy a PS5 in Fall 2021... not to mention all the other products TSMC makes... yeah there is just no way Zen 4 will be out in 2022, sorry but I don't believe it for one second. I'd bet money more like spring/summer 2023.
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#85
Makaveli
lynx29
There is no way Zen 4 will be out in 2022, maybe a paper launch in 2022 like Zen 3 was. Demand is up and won't be going down, so using that excuse doesn't count anymore. I doubt I will even be able to buy a PS5 in Fall 2021... not to mention all the other products TSMC makes... yeah there is just no way Zen 4 will be out in 2022, sorry but I don't believe it for one second. I'd bet money more like spring/summer 2023.
If intel does launch Alderlake in Q3 of this year I think we will see Zen 4 in Q1 of 2022 but I wouldn't expect that to be a volume launch.

And if Alderlake does meet its performance claims AMD Can't really wait until 2023 to provide an answer.
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#86
lynx29
Makaveli
If intel does launch Aderlake in Q3 of this year I think we will see Zen 4 in Q1 of 2022 but I wouldn't expect that to be a volume launch.

If alderlake does does meet its performance claims AMD Can't really wait until 2023 to provide an answer.
hmm interesting. well if it a paper launch and I happen to get lucky again, I'll be selling my zen 3 on here shortly after lol but i am not selling it until i have a zen 4 chip in my hand... with the world is going i'm still very skeptical about any sort of normal stock at msrp stuff. especially as the bots become more and more enhanced, and the companies are flat out refusing to be aggressive in innovation when it comes to scalpers. it seriously wouldn't be that hard to stop scalpers if we were to say require unique address and drivers license photo copy for all orders placed, and each order verified by a rep/customer service agent. it would slow down order fulfillment that is certain, but two week delay is better than 2 year.
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#87
lexluthermiester
john_
How have we moved from "3-5% and you should be happy" every year, to the "if it offers less than 15% we are going to be disappointing"?
I say that's a good thing!
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#88
lynx29
lexluthermiester
I say that's a good thing!
indeed, but I don't think this will be sustainable. I think zen 3 and zen 4 are going to be the very peak of all these increases. silicon can only do so much after all... I hope I am wrong of course :D
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#89
Isaac`
lynx29
indeed, but I don't think this will be sustainable. I think zen 3 and zen 4 are going to be the very peak of all these increases. silicon can only do so much after all... I hope I am wrong of course :D
no silicone is a substrait we are going to hit a performance wall in the next 10 or so years with gains getting smaller or smaller
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#90
Vendor
evernessince
The i5 10400F consumes 149W stock
WTH you talking about? it has 65w tdp just like the ryzen chip
evernessince
You still want a decent VRM as well and you can only use XMP on Z class motherboards
people running them totally fine on h410 boards and xmp is not really necessary with intel 2966mhz is fast enough for them and now on 10th gen they do allow overclocking above jedec speeds
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#91
ratirt
Vendor
WTH you talking about? it has 65w tdp just like the ryzen chip

people running them totally fine on h410 boards and xmp is not really necessary with intel 2966mhz is fast enough for them and now on 10th gen they do allow overclocking above jedec speeds
Yeah 65W like it matters. take a look here and TDP means nothing for power consumption.
www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10400f/18.html
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#92
lexluthermiester
Isaac`
no silicone is a substrait we are going to hit a performance wall in the next 10 or so years with gains getting smaller or smaller
Replacement substrate materials are being developed. Pure silicon is at the end of it's usefulness. Compound materials are the future of IC development. Arsenide seems to be leading the charge ATM.
Vendor
WTH you talking about? it has 65w tdp just like the ryzen chip
Under max load it uses about 140 to 150w of power. However, that is not the same as a measured TDP. TDP is the total maximum nominal heat output. Officially, TDP = Thermal Design Power. However, some people also use the following because it actually applies; TDP = Thermal Dissipation Profile.
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#93
InVasMani
All I really desire is a AMD Zen 3+ 8c/16t single or 6c/12t single CCX Threadripper with 6 channel or 8 channel. I'm not picking I just want insane bandwidth and sufficient core count.
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#94
B-Real
piloponth
Weird, that Zen3+ will be AM5 socket.
I'm waiting for 5900XT as a 5900X with improved clocks, but immediatelly appliable in current motherboards. This idea is now destroyed.
AMD promised AM4 support until 2020. That promise was fulfilled.
BorisDG
Am I?


First you say they said 50%. They said up to 50%. Then you link this presentation slide where only 2 games get around 50% boost. Check LOL. It's not even 50% at the end but 84% (against a 3900X but there is minimal difference between the 3900X and 3900XT). Tested with a 3090. Linus' CS GO results nearly match the graphs: 44% against 46%. And average improvement over Zen2 was 20%, not 10-15%.

So I would appreciate if you would stop lying.
ratirt
You are saying nonsense. 50% for League of legends in a one game scenario not overall performance.
And they didnt lie about it. 5900X has a 50% increase in performance in that particular case.
The IPC gain from zen 2 to zen 3 was 19% and that was also accurate.
They lied because in the above linked video it's not 50, but 84% faster. :D Bad AMD. :D
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#95
ratirt
B-Real
They lied because in the above linked video it's not 50, but 84% faster. :D Bad AMD.
AMD didn't lie about anything. If somebody misinterprets the graphs, charts about performance or simply doesn't understand what's being shown we have silly comments sometimes :)
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#96
R0H1T
Makaveli
And if Alderlake does meet its performance claims
What performance claims :confused:

Pretty sure Alderlake tops out at 8 "big cores" so there's no reason for AMD to counter them at MSDT top end, for HEDT Intel's not even in the frame. Having said that it'd be nice if zen4 or zen3+ launches in 2021, even if only to reduce the process on zen3 parts.
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#97
Vendor
ratirt
Yeah 65W like it matters. take a look here and TDP means nothing for power consumption.
lexluthermiester
Under max load it uses about 140 to 150w of power. However, that is not the same as a measured TDP. TDP is the total maximum nominal heat output. Officially, TDP = Thermal Design Power. However, some people also use the following because it actually applies; TDP = Thermal Dissipation Profile.
Same can be said about 3600 too? because they are rated at same tdp too and ryzen is notorious for running hot as well
well, it doesn't matter much because i saw JTC video when 10th gen launched he was impressed by i9 10900k temps despite high power consumption, iirc it was barely anything above 80c so an i5 should run much cooler than that
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#98
Night
lexluthermiester
Replacement substrate materials are being developed. Pure silicon is at the end of it's usefulness. Compound materials are the future of IC development. Arsenide seems to be leading the charge ATM.
Thought it's supposed to be graphene.
Caring1
Think?
More like you read that in an article here and are now parroting it as if you had that thought.
Where did I exactly read that? It's my opinion.
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#99
Caring1
Night
Where did I exactly read that? It's my opinion.
"AMD appears to be preparing a bridging series of processors based on the Zen 3+ architecture before the release of Zen 4. Zen 3+ is expected to be AMD's first AM5 CPU design and should bring small IPC gains similar to the improvements from Zen to Zen+ in the range of 4% - 7%. The Zen 3+ processors will be manufactured on TSMC's refined N7 node with a potential announcement sometime later in 2021."

All you did is reword it. It's called plagiarism.
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#100
Mats
Vendor
won't there be newer gen budget ones? like h510 or b560
How is that going to help those who already own budget boards? So now you don't care about being budget conscious all of a sudden? :rolleyes:

Your argument for Intel was cheaper boards (which is false), but you fail to see that those same boards works only with one generation of CPU's, and how it affects those who wants to upgrade.
Meanwhile, AMD's B450 boards has been around since 2018, and works with multiple generations. For instance, this Asrock board works with anything from Ryzen 3 1200 to Ryzen 9 5950X.
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