Tuesday, February 9th 2021

AMD Zen 4 Reportedly Features a 29% IPC Boost Over Zen 3

While AMD has only released a few Zen 3 processors which are still extremely hard to purchase for RRP we are already receiving leaks on their successors. Zen 3 Milan processors will likely be the final generation of AM4 processors before the switch to AM5. AMD appears to be preparing a bridging series of processors based on the Zen 3+ architecture before the release of Zen 4. Zen 3+ is expected to be AMD's first AM5 CPU design and should bring small IPC gains similar to the improvements from Zen to Zen+ in the range of 4% - 7%. The Zen 3+ processors will be manufactured on TSMC's refined N7 node with a potential announcement sometime later in 2021.

Zen 4 is expected to launch the next year in 2022 and will bring significant improvements potentially up to 40% over Zen 3 after clock boosts according to ChipsandChesse. A Zen 4 Genoa engineering sample reportedly performed 29% faster than an existing Zen 3 CPUs at the same clock speeds and core counts. The Zen 4 architecture will be manufactured on a 5 nm node and could potentially bring another core count increase. This would be one of the largest generational improvements for AMD since the launch of Ryzen if true. Take all this information with a heavy dose of skepticism as with any rumor.
Source: ChipsandCheese
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143 Comments on AMD Zen 4 Reportedly Features a 29% IPC Boost Over Zen 3

#26
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
Oh yay, head to head competition with Intel... I'm almost excited.

These are great performance improvements, the kind of thing we've all been waiting for, but don't worry, low supply and scalpers will ensure that these can only be bought from dodgy sellers on eBay at vastly inflated prices. That's not exciting.
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#27
Mats
There must be a one-click Scalping@Home, or PCPartScalper out there for consumers to scalp together their new build all by themselves, right? That would be the only way to beat the scalpers at their own game. Power to the people. Waiting for the scalpers to go away is like waiting for the next (next next) HW launch.
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#28
1d10t
BorisDG
Same like Zen 3 had like 50%+ more than Zen 2 and at the end was like 10-15%.

i.e. those AMD presentation slides.
BorisDG
Am I?


Contradicting each time you post, it seems you stop reading after first number and find excuses as you go. Yeah, it was 50%, more FPS, comparing with previous Ryzen 9 3900XT. Now find that IPC in those slides.
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#29
ExcuseMeWtf
BorisDG
Same like Zen 3 had like 50%+ more than Zen 2 and at the end was like 10-15%.

i.e. those AMD presentation slides.
Great to know you already have retail Zen4 samples and know how they perform.

You must be the scalper final boss
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#30
TheDeeGee
Cool, but i've had my week and half experience with Zen3 already... no thank you :ohwell:
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#31
Shtb
BorisDG
Am I?


1st video by "5900x league of legends" search in YT (vs 3900X):
Avg fps in the end (10:45): 291 vs 158. This is 84.2% of increase, not +50%.
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#32
dont whant to set it"'
[INDENT]@TheDeeGee No wonder Intel looks more stable by sticking to its version of tried and true all the while subverting progress. Hey man/women I will not stop you paying Intel over a 1000 bucks for a quad-core cpu, better yet a hyperthreaded dual-core cpu in this day of age. Thank Zen God or Thank God Zen, whatever, I'm out.[/INDENT]
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#33
Night
Somehow I think Zen 3+ will be a beta release of AM5 platform, while the fully functional platform should arrive with Zen 4. Lots of new things added apparently, I'm not expecting everything at 100% from the start. That's another year for me, oh well...
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#34
Mats
ExcuseMeWtf
You must be the scalper final boss
Scalpers with time machines.. I hate it.
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#35
ratirt
Night
Somehow I think Zen 3+ will be a beta release of AM5 platform, while the fully functional platform should arrive with Zen 4. Lots of new things added apparently, I'm not expecting everything at 100% from the start. That's another year for me, oh well...
This thread is about zen4 not sure where are you getting zen3+. AMD never said they would release zen3+.
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#36
Cobain
dont whant to set it'
[INDENT]@TheDeeGee No wonder Intel looks more stable by sticking to its version of tried and true all the while subverting progress. Hey man/women I will not stop you paying Intel over a 1000 bucks for a quad-core cpu, better yet a hyperthreaded dual-core cpu in this day of age. Thank Zen God or Thank God Zen, whatever, I'm out.[/INDENT]
That's so 2017 tho. Right now is more like:

5600x - 350€, if you find one + whea errors, no stability
10600kf - 220€, plenty of stock, plug and play

3600 - 220€, good CPU , stable too
10400f - 140€, good CPU, stable

Easy decisions.
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#37
Night
ratirt
This thread is about zen4 not sure where are you getting zen3+. AMD never said they would release zen3+.
This thread
AMD appears to be preparing a bridging series of processors based on the Zen 3+ architecture before the release of Zen 4. Zen 3+ is expected to be AMD's first AM5 CPU design and should bring small IPC gains similar to the improvements from Zen to Zen+ in the range of 4% - 7%.
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#38
Mats
Night
Somehow I think Zen 3+ will be a beta release of AM5 platform, while the fully functional platform should arrive with Zen 4.
That's like implying it won't work that well, which I highly doubt. It will most likely be fully functional, otherwise it will be delayed.

It's like calling Ryzen 3000 the beta of chiplet implementation, and Ryzen 5000 the fully functional one.
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#39
Night
Mats
That's like implying it won't work that well, which I highly doubt. It will most likely be fully functional, otherwise it will be delayed.

It's like calling Ryzen 3000 the beta of chiplet implementation, and Ryzen 5000 the fully functional one.
No, more like calling the 1000 series beta and 3000 series the fully functional one.
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#40
Mats
Night
No, more like calling the 1000 series beta and 3000 series the fully functional one.
But that's also wrong. Slower doesn't mean beta. Although you could call anything pre-Zen on AM4 beta, that's fine with me. AMD was just trying out ancient tech on the new socket, more or less.
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#41
ratirt
Zen3+ architecture so that's like what processor line at the moment? Cause I know 5000 series but that's Zen3.
And the OP stated the zen4 2022 release so where did you get this info from about zen3+?
AMD slides don't even include anything about zen3+
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#42
Mats
I'm talking about CPU's, not motherboards.
ratirt
And the OP stated the zen4 2022 release so where did you get this info from about zen3+?
Read the OP.
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#43
DeathtoGnomes
ZoneDymo
again just seems like this made up by someone who wants people to be ultimately disappointed with AMD
Intel seems to do this alot lately, not like they have anything but paper launches recently.
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#44
ratirt
Mats
I'm talking about CPU's, not motherboards.


Read the OP.
Yeah I read and the slides from AMD are not showing anything about zen3+. Not sure where this info is coming from but the ZEN4 was included in the slides and has been from the beginning of AMD showing these. Nothing has been announced from AMD iso far so I'd look at the zen3+ as a rumour.
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#45
ExcuseMeWtf
Mats
Scalpers with time machines.. I hate it.
We don't have them because those bastards scalped those as well.
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#46
Night
ratirt
Yeah I read and the slides from AMD are not showing anything about zen3+. Not sure where this info is coming from but the ZEN4 was included in the slides and has been from the beginning of AMD showing these. Nothing has been announced from AMD iso far so I'd look at the zen3+ as a rumour.
Well actually yes, it's kind of rumour and nothing confirmed, just presented that way, quote from the article:
Chips and Cheese
While both the Chips and Cheese team and I have full belief that this information is accurate, that does not mean that this is 100% confirmed and you should not take this as unsalable truth. With this disclaimer out of the way, on to the juicy bits: Zen 3+, Zen 4 and even Zen 5.
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#47
dont whant to set it"'
@Cobain The thing is, the thing is..., Intel would of pulled the rug right under ''us'', only to procede by pulling the sheets there after , after Skylake. You do the math, if mine is not up to your ''standards''.
Yeah, we ''all'' kind of like wondered what would and could a Phenom be on the process node on witch Bulldozer.AMD.arch was built on and its subsequents.
Le: no point living in the past as the past died already.
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#48
ratirt
Night
Well actually yes, it's kind of rumour and nothing confirmed, just presented that way, quote from the article:
I'm not trying to pick on anybody but it's a mixed information. zen4 has been confirmed in 2022 but the zen3+ hasn't been confirmed ever. Mixing these information together making it sound like zen3+ is something inevitable which in fact it isn't. Anyway, I wouldn't mind AMD releasing it. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea.
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#49
SDimmu
Cobain
That's so 2017 tho. Right now is more like:

5600x - 350€, if you find one + whea errors, no stability
10600kf - 220€, plenty of stock, plug and play

3600 - 220€, good CPU , stable too
10400f - 140€, good CPU, stable

Easy decisions.
I'm running my 5800x with memory at 3800mhz 14-14-14, 100% stable for months. I come from a 3600 and everything works perfectly
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#50
Vendor
thesmokingman
They already do. And Intel's 7nm is delayed yet again.
no, Intel is much better value here in my region and amd is overpriced. 3600 is 240$ and 10400f is 170$
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