Friday, June 25th 2021

Thanks to Windows 11, Scalpers Buy Out Add-on TPM 2.0 Modules

Most modern PC platforms include an fTPM (firmware trusted platform module) of some form. Those that don't, have a TPM 2.0 compatible header on the motherboards. Microsoft's requirement of a hardware TPM for Windows 11 has scalpers go after add-on TPMs, which are typically priced around $20, but now marked up to $100, according to price-tracking by Shen Ye, a senior HTC VIVE exec, who has been tracking prices of add-on TPMs on Twitter.

Scalpers possibly anticipate a rush of ill-informed buyers out for add-on TPMs, who haven't spent 5 minutes digging through their UEFI setup programs for the fTPM toggle. Below is a screenshot of a Ryzen 7 2700X-based machine, paired with an AMD B450 chipset motherboard (a platform from 2018), with its fTPM toggle turned on. The PC now meets Windows 11 system requirements. Windows 11 uses hardware TPMs for secure storage of credentials. "Microsoft, can you not impose a TPM requirement during a silicon shortage? Especially considering most desktop motherboards support TPM only as a purchasable accessory," Shen Ye tweeted.
Source: Shen Ye (Twitter)
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263 Comments on Thanks to Windows 11, Scalpers Buy Out Add-on TPM 2.0 Modules

#51
Camm
People are dumb fucks, by the time of launch, TPM 1.2 will work for Windows 11, allowing anyone from Haswell up to run Windows 11.

Scalpers scalped themselves.
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#52
lynx29
MakaveliUm some of us work on our machines and need windows?

So the last part about only if you care about AAA latest games not 100% accurate.
that's true. and i just said that a moment ago in the thread I made! well done! congrats!
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#53
lexluthermiester
MakaveliUm some of us work on our machines and need windows?

So the last part about only if you care about AAA latest games not 100% accurate.
Yup, pretty much this. Linux is good, but can't do everything Windows can.

Instead of rambling on about Linux(off-topic) let us all instead give microsoft the shaft by breaking/cracking/circumventing all of their bullshit limitations and intrusions.
To be clear, I'm NOT promoting piracy. Go buy a damn CDKey. Then rip Windows 11 a few new ones and teach microsoft who's boss!(that would be us, the users)
HACK microsoft's PLANET!!

:laugh::rockout:
(While I'm being funny, I'm also totally serious. Hack, crack and rip all the microsoft stuffs. As long as you own it, you have the right to modify it. Legally protected right.)
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#54
yotano211
lynx29will be going to Linux anyway now, so scalpers and M$ can eat it. damn, it feels good to be free once and for all. Linux to the moon!
I'll stay on windows 10 for at least 1.5yrs after win 11 is released. I'll wait until they iron out all the defects of windows 11. I wish I can still go back to win 7.
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#55
trparky
MxPhenom 216It still doesn't work. I just tried the compatibility tool on my 8700k and with both PTT and dTPM enabled in BIOS neither option passed. So don't be too thankful.
All I need was to flip that setting in my Gigabyte motherboard's UEFI and that was I needed to do to make that tool say that my system is supported.
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#56
RedBear
MxPhenom 216It still doesn't work. I just tried the compatibility tool on my 8700k and with both PTT and dTPM enabled in BIOS neither option passed. So don't be too thankful.
Did you disable CSM (and are you using a GPT partition)? I believe Windows 11 needs a pure UEFI environment. My 2600x passes the test alright after enabling fTPM in the bios.
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#57
InVasMani
Windows 11 seems like Microsoft is going full Windows S Mode with the standard affair of them making a 1 or 2 changes they know people will actually want that should've and could've probably been done a decade or two ago if they weren't so busy doing questionable stuff instead like forcing CandyCrush, OneDrive, Edge, and Bing malware on systems.

I had to sign up for a Microsoft account on a Windows S Mode laptop just to get out of Windows S Mode to install Mozilla Firefox awhile back on a laptop and it was infuriating quite frankly it involved a bunch of hassle and was completely unnecessary and frankly intrusive as hell and should be made illegal to force that on customers. It's probably less involved actually to install Linux start to finish than removing Windows S Mode in some instances. It would depend a bit on the Linux variant and how hands off the installation process, but it goes to show you how bad Windows S Mode is.

All in order for Microsoft to force you into only using it's Windows store approved APPS. I don't think even something like Foobar music player works in Windows S Mode. I mean Mozilla Firefox doesn't so I can't imagine what programs work on Windows S Mode that aren't Microsoft products, but I imagine their own programs just work seamlessly which is rather anti competitive behavior I'd argue. It's of course under the guise of security. Nothing makes me feel more secure about my personal data than being forced to give it away to Microsoft to uninstall it's Window S Mode malware/ransomware.
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#58
Nash
InVasManiWindows 11 seems like Microsoft is going full Windows S Mode with the standard affair of them making a 1 or 2 changes they know people will actually want that should've and could've probably been done a decade or two ago if they weren't so busy doing questionable stuff instead like forcing CandyCrush, OneDrive, Edge, and Bing malware on systems.

I had to sign up for a Microsoft account on a Windows S Mode laptop just to get out of Windows S Mode to install Mozilla Firefox awhile back on a laptop and it was infuriating quite frankly it involved a bunch of hassle and was completely unnecessary and frankly intrusive as hell and should be made illegal to force that on customers. It's probably less involved actually to install Linux start to finish than removing Windows S Mode in some instances. It would depend a bit on the Linux variant and how hands off the installation process, but it goes to show you how bad Windows S Mode is.

All in order for Microsoft to force you into only using it's Windows store approved APPS. I don't think even something like Foobar music player works in Windows S Mode. I mean Mozilla Firefox doesn't so I can't imagine what programs work on Windows S Mode that aren't Microsoft products, but I imagine their own programs just work seamlessly which is rather anti competitive behavior I'd argue. It's of course under the guise of security. Nothing makes me feel more secure about my personal data than being forced to give it away to Microsoft to uninstall it's Window S Mode malware/ransomware.
It's literally two steps to change from Windows S. That OS was never intended to be a general purpose consumer OS for powerful PC's. It's a purposefully locked down, secure, efficient OS for lower end laptops (aka chromebooks) in large enterprises, schools. Microsoft can't guarantee the security or performance for users who are downloading crapware and files from all over the net.
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#59
windwhirl
NashHaha, looking at you scalper should have gone artisan 5g Fighters Plus.

Asus TPM on hand.


Why does that look like something someone would use to smoke their way to death?
phanbueyThey need as much data as they can sell get.
If we're gonna go with that, Windows 10 already does it, and they also had those updates for Windows 7 with telemetry included.
lexluthermiesterWait, on chip? Are they doing that now? Last time I checked TPM was a motherboard bound thing...
Apparently there's a TPM implementation in AMD's Platform Security Processor (PSP), and Intel also has their own implementation of the same idea.
lexluthermiesterYup, pretty much this. Linux is good, but can't do everything Windows can.

Instead of rambling on about Linux(off-topic) let us all instead give microsoft the shaft by breaking/cracking/circumventing all of their bullshit limitations and intrusions.
To be clear, I'm NOT promoting piracy. Go buy a damn CDKey. Then rip Windows 11 a few new ones and teach microsoft who's boss!(that would be us, the users)
HACK microsoft's PLANET!!

:laugh::rockout:
(While I'm being funny, I'm also totally serious. Hack, crack and rip all the microsoft stuffs. As long as you own it, you have the right to modify it. Legally protected right.)
NGL, it's weird reading that with Agent Smith's voice lol
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#60
m2geek
eidairaman1I see ms facing antitrust suit again
For making some security mandatory? Doubt it.
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#61
Caring1
erockerThese scalpers are just wannabe future pharma CEO's.
Or stock market traders.
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#62
Isaac`
lynx29will be going to Linux anyway now, so scalpers and M$ can eat it. damn, it feels good to be free once and for all. Linux to the moon!
Nah ill be sticking to windows
my computers perfectly capable so i see no reason not to it is the better os for gaming after all
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#63
Frank_100
TheoneandonlyMrKAs if, they'll likely auto update at some point, force wiping your shit, fail to put 11 on then fail a rollback.
BSD no drive found.
Clonezilla.
TheLostSwedeDoesn't matter, as you apparently need an 8th gen Intel CPU at the very minimum as well...

The really amusing part here is that a Celeron (read Atom) N4000 is supported...
docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors
It would seem no non Zen architecture AMD CPUs are supported.
docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors
So an i9 7900X with a soldered lid is not powerful enough to run windows 11? Ha Ha Ha.

Guess I'll just have to forgo the upgrade.
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#64
Isaac`
Frank_100So an i9 7900X with a soldered lid is not powerful enough to run windows 11? Ha Ha Ha.
its not power its security
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#65
AsRock
TPU addict
HAHA no harm done, well not to me should clear up before 3-4 years pass by.
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#66
Frank_100
NashLabor?

Seating one of these on a motherboard qualifies as labor?
(downsized pic)
and a masters degree.
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#67
ixi
Sometimes I wondor. Are there scalpers between techpowerup users :D.

Looks like scalping will be a big problem for a while...
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#68
Frank_100
Isaac`its not power its security
When I want security I use Linux and an air Gap.
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#69
ThrashZone
Frank_100Clonezilla.


So an i9 7900X with a soldered lid is not powerful enough to run windows 11? Ha Ha Ha.

Guess I'll just have to forgo the upgrade.
Hi,
7900x has pigeon poop inside not solder lol
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#70
Frank_100
ThrashZoneHi,
7900x has pigeon poop inside not solder lol
I sent it off to be de-lidded. So it has solder or maybe liquid metal.

It runs really cool.
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#71
Xex360
It seems Microsoft doesn't want people to "upgrade" to Windows 10, this TPM requirement is just stupid, most people have no idea what a bios is let alone use it.
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#72
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
Xex360It seems Microsoft doesn't want people to "upgrade" to Windows 10, this TPM requirement is just stupid, most people have no idea what a bios is let alone use it.
Most people buy prebuilts, laptops, surface's so this thing isnt exactly a super big problem for them.
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#73
ThrashZone
Frank_100I sent it off to be de-lidded. So it has solder or maybe liquid metal.

It runs really cool.
Hi,
Liquid metal is not solder but indeed cooler it will be :cool:
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#74
Isaac`
Frank_100When I want security I use Linux and an air Gap.
You said a i9 was not powerful enough to run win 11 it's not powerful it's security
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#75
totalfreq
Windows 10 IoT...LTSC 2019 will be good til 2029 and no Cortana...i know where ill be.

Plus 2011 requires a ms login at least on the non enterprise stuff so good bye local account and privacy..no thanks.

Im stockng up on 10 x64 pro oem DVDs and iot ltsc 2019 keys.
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