Isn't HEDT "dead"? AMD quit the game, and I doubt intel is going to continue it.

SOAREVERSORIsn't HEDT "dead"? AMD quit the game, and I doubt intel is going to continue it.

No AMD didnt quit, they just refocused their target.

Wasn't this Sapphire Rapids announced like more than a year ago ? I just can't understand why it took them so long, it's crazy.

Vya DomusWasn't this Sapphire Rapids announced like more than a year ago ? I just can't understand why it took them so long, it's crazy.

Typical vaporwarez launches...just like their still-in-absentia ARC GPU's, aside from a few mentions on PRC propo-sites :D

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DeathtoGnomesNo AMD didnt quit, they just refocused their target.

Right, and just like AMD, there is no way this specific SKU will sell for less than $6000.

Although that doesn't exclude Intel from introducing cheaper workstation CPUs with fewer cores/features.

Vya DomusWasn't this Sapphire Rapids announced like more than a year ago ? I just can't understand why it took them so long, it's crazy.

Because the initial batch proberly "underperformed" compared to AMD's offering back then.

The same with ARC. It underperformed. They had to make changes and re-bake the chips again.

The Von MatricesRight, and just like AMD, there is no way this specific SKU will sell for less than $6000.

Although that doesn't exclude Intel from introducing cheaper workstation CPUs with fewer cores/features.

I dont follow pricing all that much, but this has to compete directly with its AMD counterpart ($6250-ish), which means pricing as close to it as possible despite having an 8 core deficit. $6k is prolly as close as Intel can get and remain a justified value.

JismBecause the initial batch proberly "underperformed" compared to AMD's offering back then.

The same with ARC. It underperformed. They had to make changes and re-bake the chips again.

This is idiotic. You buy into intel for the entire eco system. Chipstets, NICs, software support, RAID the works. AMD can throw benchmarks at the wall all it wants but that's just a monkey slinging shit. When you go pro you learn "nobody every got fired for buying intel" and that's the end all be all.

SOAREVERSORYou buy into intel for the entire eco system. Chipstets, NICs, software support, RAID the works. AMD can throw benchmarks at the wall all it wants but that's just a monkey slinging shit. When you go pro you learn "nobody every got fired for buying intel" and that's the end all be all.

You buy into AMD for the entire eco system. Chipstets, NICs, software support, RAID the works. Intel can throw benchmarks at the wall all it wants but that's just a monkey slinging shit. When you go pro you learn "nobody every got fired for buying AMD" and that's the end all be all.

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SOAREVERSORThis is idiotic. You buy into intel for the entire eco system. Chipstets, NICs, software support, RAID the works. AMD can throw benchmarks at the wall all it wants but that's just a monkey slinging shit. When you go pro you learn "nobody every got fired for buying intel" and that's the end all be all.

Those who actually buy these CPU in volume custom ordered (even self-manufactured) their own eco system, Chipsets, NICs, software support, RAID support etc.

In the commerical world, everything is properly tested and validated to a point that a major part of the cost came from the validation process.
Those machines are garanteed to perform with the validated platform and customers already paid for the support service to "Make it work if it doesn't" .

Enterprise don't care about "Brand loyalty" and no one would get fired because of not following "The famous brand".
People do get fired if they made a stupid decision of using a less efficient less powerful more expensive platform based on "Brand loyalty" tho.

Intel SR was delayed like the 6th times already.
This is not typical Intel quality
Clearly there are some major problems there, stability or performance wise.

I hope that this chip forces AMD to re-apply Threadripper chips to the consumer market.

kapone32I hope that this chip forces AMD to re-apply Threadripper chips to the consumer market.

Hi,
The huge jump from TR 16 to 24 core and above was way to steep
Think amd said it best a while back nobody could afford them I'd change that to not many could afford them :laugh:

kapone32I hope that this chip forces AMD to re-apply Threadripper chips to the consumer market.

Could happen but I woudn't hold my breath over it.
We'll have to wait and see.

ThrashZoneHi,
The huge jump from TR 16 to 24 core and above was way to steep
Think amd said it best a while back nobody could afford them I'd change that to not many could afford them :laugh:

Don't they have a 12 and 16 core chips in the channel right now? I can see them updating the 3945WRX to 5000 series. Those Enterprise chips could easily be repurposed to Consumer.

kapone32Don't they have a 12 and 16 core chips in the channel right now? I can see them updating the 3945WRX to 5000 series. Those Enterprise chips could easily be repurposed to Consumer.

Hi,
Yes but I was referring to 24 and up were out of reach for most people price wise
Otherwise I would of gotten a 24 core.

ThrashZoneHi,
The huge jump from TR 16 to 24 core and above was way to steep
Think amd said it best a while back nobody could afford them I'd change that to not many could afford them :laugh:

plus the new socket.

ThrashZoneHi,
The huge jump from TR 16 to 24 core and above was way to steep
Think amd said it best a while back nobody could afford them I'd change that to not many could afford them :laugh:

A big point of the true consumer HEDT platforms was also the extra PCI-E lanes. It's always been the case that the extra memory channels and cores didn't do all that much for most people, but the extra PCI-E lanes made the buyin worth it.

@btarunr See I told you...if Intel sticks to 8 P-cores on 13900K then there will be a HEDT soon.

aQi@btarunr See I told you...if Intel sticks to 8 P-cores on 13900K then there will be a HEDT soon.

Is that a good thing or bad?

TiggerIs that a good thing or bad?

It will be good, since the hedt has been abandoned by both amd and intel. Generally speaking, amd not withstanding since they gave tr users the middle finger, the hedt platforms have long term support that you won't find in mainstream platforms. Wouldn't surprise me if we see 12 and 16 p core hedt parts from intel, with 5 or more years of platform support.

Do we still need to disable HT in order to prevent side-channel attacks?

I love this typo @AleksandarK

"With a high core count and additional instructions for Deep Learning, this CPU will power workstations sometimes in the future"

I think you're right it won't happen all too often... :D

zlobbyDo we still need to disable HT in order to prevent side-channel attacks?

No.

...guarantees

TiggerIs that a good thing or bad?

For a HEDT lover its good and for desktop consumer line its bad cause they will stuck to 8 P-cores

aQiFor a HEDT lover its good and for desktop consumer line its bad cause they will stuck to 8 P-cores

I dont get the criticism of 'only 8p cores'. If you buy a high end cpu, and need a lot of multithread performance. Why do you care if you've p or e cores, besides e cores will provide more performance/die size/power

kapone32I hope that this chip forces AMD to re-apply Threadripper chips to the consumer market.

Isn't high end AM5 bassicaly it? You've twice the bandwidth of pcie lanes over zen2/3, more ram bandwidth, 16 faster cores, even more with latter zen archs, except big.little ushering in.