N/Aexternal power

It doesn't have external power

N/AWith the built-in CPU, NVMe, and external power, it shouldn't be any bigger than the RX 7600, 12 x 30 x 4 cm, 1.5 liters, 900 grams. I have no idea what they do with the remaining 2.25 liters, it's more of a design choice.

* - There is no external power.

This is running SteamOS?

Blazko79This is running SteamOS?

yes

i4506718The Steam Survey data includes many GPU and CPU models that are completely outdated and have little to no overlap with the target users of this console. A console developed based on such flawed data is likely doomed from the start.

It's been funny to see people completely ignore the steam hardware survey when it's convenient for them to be upset with the steam machine.
I recall people defending 8GB graphics cards recently, which are about $400 alone and won't play the latest AAA UE5 unoptimized crap at 4k 60fps either.
The guesses I'm seeing around tech news articles and rumors are $400-600, placing the steam machine in console territory, the system is clearly aimed at console users who just want to sit in front of the TV to enjoy games without all the hassle it takes to use windows 11. SteamOS has quick device sleep and resume so I think it makes a good alternative to a console for anyone who also has a steam library.
Not every gaming system has to run 4K 240fps ultra settings AAA titles, look how well the steam deck has sold and people missing the point of it often call the steam deck underpowered.

What does the steam machine comes with? Just the machine itself? Does it come with the controller to setup? In that case it’s going to be at least $700 starting

Hecate91look how well the steam deck has sold and people missing the point of it often call the steam deck underpowered.

And Valve literally stated: the target audience are people using a Steam Deck docked to a TV.

HyderzWhat does the steam machine comes with? Just the machine itself? Does it come with the controller to setup? In that case it’s going to be at least $700 starting

Machine only.

ShihabThat’s not a console experience tho…

Installing non-vendor-sanctioned software on a typical console would need way more than just a youtube video…

Good point but as a Steam rep said in a recent interview you can close Steam and enjoy a fully functional desktop.

N/AThis is a potato PC in essence at an exorbitant price. Suitable for lovers of potatoes or bananas, to which they compare it. A very big heavy and power hungry banana at 3.75 liters, 2.6 kg and 140 Watts. Get the power under 100 Watts ZEN6 RDNA6 N3 that outperforms a 5070 and we have a deal.

What you are describing here makes absolutely no sense :

Very big // it's under 4L, which, as many, MANY SFF enthusiasts will tell you, isn't achieved by a lot of models across the entire fuckin world and the ones that do achieve it doesn't have many of the built-in functions of that thing (namely CEC, ARGB, etc...) You can carry it in both hands like a tupperware containing your next meal, this format is extremely portable, try doing that with any console or PC without looking like you're moving out of your place

Heavy & power hungry // a gaming laptop is in that weight range and that's without the laptop's power brick, they just traded the screen and battery for extra cooling and internal PSU -/- a PS5 draws 300+W, this thing should have essentially equal amounts of compute and draws 200W max everything included

Zen6/RDNA6 outperforming 5070 under 100W // this is pure science fiction and even if you asked competition they would just laugh at your face for having those expectations

We have a deal // a what cost ? I'm positive Valve did everything they could to keep the price of this thing as low as possible without having it subsidized by game sales, the thing you just described would costs way too damn much to design, way too damn much to produce and then you would instead complain about its price and it not being able to beat a 5090 laptop

ONEoo7Very lazy research on my part. 28 CUs vs 40CUs that come with the 4060s part in Ryzen AI MAX+ PRO 395.

First of all, that 395 is limited to 80W on that specific model of laptop, it can go much harder, nearly twice that in most models, that's a healthy perf bump alone with just that

Second, this APU assembly costs a little fortune, no one but the AI bros buys them because it's really good for AI but the 4060 laptops are much cheaper

Third, going by the specs, the Machine's GPU is basically a 7600M with 7600M XT tuning, you'll have a much, much closer to reality experience of you look for 7600M benchmarks and add a few substantial % from the overclock, increased power budget, massively increased cooling capacity (compared to a laptop in which you'd find this graphics die)

N/AWith the built-in CPU, NVMe, and external power, it shouldn't be any bigger than the RX 7600, 12 x 30 x 4 cm, 1.5 liters, 900 grams. I have no idea what they do with the remaining 2.25 liters, it's more of a design choice.

PSU is internal, there goes 1/3rd of your volume and a lot of the weight right there, do some research next time instead of making a fool out of yourself when there's plenty of pics without the external shell out there for you to check out

The other 2/3rds are the heatsink+fan assembly with the board sandwiched in-between the two blocks

Kohl BaasAnd Valve literally stated: the target audience are people using a Steam Deck docked to a TV.

Worth noting that the CEC function required a custom motherboard to be designed (I assume special hardware with special requirements needed to be present on the already crammed PCB), which probably didn't do them any favors in regards to cost

ShihabThat’s not a console experience tho…

No, it's better. All in one package to do console stuff AND PC stuff without having to buy both. (Namely streaming for example)

ShihabInstalling non-vendor-sanctioned software on a typical console would need way more than just a youtube video…

Exactly. Whereas you just need to install the flatpak for the software you want or go through Steam to install your games.

My 2 cents:
Valve has been watching their Hardware Survey prove that most gamers are playing on leftovers, and they play on them for as long as they can keep them viable. This device is not going to be for people who pre-order $600+ GPU's alone. This is going to be an upgrade path for everyone who doesn't want to deal with 30fps Min-Spec gaming in a walled garden like Sony or Microsoft (continue) to push upon us.

The specs, at least from what I have seen, put this device in the "Better than GTX 1080 but worse than a 2080" Nvidia territory or AMD's equal, but with modern advances in power efficiency and of course having some hardware to be able to run Ray Trace-Requiring games (perhaps not with any degree of WOW but, they'll function). If Valve is smart and provides custom resolution options or SteamOS allows you to set up custom resolutions the way Windows does, well, they will have something here, particularly if their audience is everyone who doesn't want to deal with Windows (or a 30fps-first Console from Sony and Microsoft).

Hecate91It's been funny to see people completely ignore the steam hardware survey when it's convenient for them to be upset with the steam machine.

Exactly my thoughts. On another thread, Steam was the holy grail for them, because RDN4 gpus weren't showing up on the survey.

Whatever best suits your own narrative, right?

What excites me most about this device is that it will only advance Valve's commitment to Proton and Gaming on Linux, and how they aren't leaning on insane hardware specs for it to be a playable experience. It's already a really, really good experience for most titles not leaning on anti-cheat, and this will only further that support and development. Anyone who's been dabbling with Linux for a long time will know just how far we've come.

Hecate91It's been funny to see people completely ignore the steam hardware survey when it's convenient for them to be upset with the steam machine.

Hah, no need to tell me about it

Hecate91I recall people defending 8GB graphics cards recently, which are about $400 alone and won't play the latest AAA UE5 unoptimized crap at 4k 60fps either.

That said, I'd like to see The Finals and ARC Raiders getting benched on this thing, along the main FPS titles amongst other things (since they're the ones that have the strongest reqs when it comes to performance)

Hecate91The guesses I'm seeing around tech news articles and rumors are $400-600, placing the steam machine in console territory, the system is clearly aimed at console users who just want to sit in front of the TV to enjoy games without all the hassle it takes to use windows 11.

Unfortunately, Valve said to both LTT and GN that it would be priced like a PC and not a console, so my estimates are higher, in the 650-850 range

Hecate91SteamOS has quick device sleep and resume so I think it makes a good alternative to a console for anyone who also has a steam library.
Not every gaming system has to run 4K 240fps ultra settings AAA titles, look how well the steam deck has sold and people missing the point of it often call the steam deck underpowered.

1080 medium-high @ 70-90 would be a great target to nail if Steam's optimization can get it there

Darmok N JaladWhat excites me most about this device is that it will only advance Valve's commitment to Proton and Gaming on Linux

FEX compat layer and SteamOS on ARM are also massive announcements, how does Valve output that much with the amount of people they have??

Darmok N Jaladand how they aren't leaning on insane hardware specs for it to be a playable experience. It's already a really, really good experience for most titles not leaning on anti-cheat, and this will only further that support and development.

Hopefully support for anti cheats on Linux will get somewhere one day and people will be able to play those games on SteamOS like they would on Windows

TheGeekn°72Hopefully support for anti cheats on Linux will get somewhere one day and people will be able to play those games on SteamOS like they would on Windows

You mean kernel level or explicit blocks. There are plenty of games with anti cheat that work fine on Linux.

On price, there's a 512GB and a 2TB model. I bet the 512GB model is around $500-600USD.

Moores Lore is Dead priced components out to ~$500... MS & Sony both sell their console near cost value due to games sales. No reason Steam can't do the same... They would take a lot of Xbox fans for the right price.

Broken ProcessorGood point but as a Steam rep said in a recent interview you can close Steam and enjoy a fully functional desktop.

Yes, you would. But “desktop” in this sense stands for KDE Plasma (?), or “linux.” And unfortunately, support for linux is abysmal to non-existent for platforms other than Steam. So while you *can* run quite a few them (dunno about Blizzard’s), it’s not as straightforward.

Users can, of course, always downgrade Windows. Valve did provide support for that on the Deck. This one should be even simpler…

TheGeekn°72That said, I'd like to see The Finals and ARC Raiders getting benched on this thing, along the main FPS titles amongst other things (since they're the ones that have the strongest reqs when it comes to performance)

I agree, it would be interesting to see the more popular FPS titles get tested, The Finals and ARC Raiders are well optimized for lower end GPU's though I wouldn't expect 4K gaming.

TheGeekn°72Unfortunately, Valve said to both LTT and GN that it would be priced like a PC and not a console, so my estimates are higher, in the 650-850 range

I recall hearing that from GN's video, similar hardware in a PC can be had for less than $800, but with the form factor, RAM and storage prices, it might be priced on the higher end, hopefully Valve is going to sell the system closer to cost like a console.
There are rumors Valve is going to launch SteamOS for AMD CPU+GPU, so anyone with a supported config could try SteamOS, and maybe other OEM's will sell their own Steam machines.

TheGeekn°721080 medium-high @ 70-90 would be a great target to nail if Steam's optimization can get it there

I think 1080P medium to high would be a good target to aim for, not sure about high since the GPU is slightly weaker than a 7600XT.

TheGeekn°72FEX compat layer and SteamOS on ARM are also massive announcements, how does Valve output that much with the amount of people they have??

I wonder how Valve is developing for ARM as well unless they've been working on it for some time, a compatibility layer for ARM is exciting as it could mean better game support for ARM laptops.

TheGeekn°72Hopefully support for anti cheats on Linux will get somewhere one day and people will be able to play those games on SteamOS like they would on Windows

Linux would likely have to take away a massive amount of market share away for massive corporations like EA or Activision to not purposely stop their anti-cheats from running on Linux.

N/AWith the built-in CPU, NVMe, and external power, it shouldn't be any bigger than the RX 7600, 12 x 30 x 4 cm, 1.5 liters, 900 grams. I have no idea what they do with the remaining 2.25 liters, it's more of a design choice.

What kind of drugs are you on? Adding a CPU and NVME that both need cooling means that it can't be the same size as a 7600. Add that fact that the PSU IS internal and you see that 3.5L is amazing.

I was greatly impressed with the Steam Deck OLED so am excited to try and get my hands on the new Valve hardware. Hope it's affordable and in enough quantities.

the valve employee in the video says, "it needs to be able to play all your games in steam" i mean that is just an outright lie, because steamOS (as much as I love it) can only do like 80-90% of my library. Also, even though it can do games like FFXIV, it messes up in cutscenes. So, it is not as simple as all this...

Hecate91There are rumors Valve is going to launch SteamOS for AMD CPU+GPU, so anyone with a supported config could try SteamOS, and maybe other OEM's will sell their own Steam machines.

Yeah, I heard that Valve added RDNA4/Zen5 support to their libraries so SteamOS could be installed on the newest hardware (though I didn't hear anything about Strix APUs, hopefully it also gets support)
Hopefully seeing cool machine designs in very compact form factors following this the same way the Claw and other handheld followed suit after the Deck's success

Hecate91I think 1080P medium to high would be a good target to aim for, not sure about high since the GPU is slightly weaker than a 7600XT.

Mix of medium and *some* settings on high for some extra tasty frames

Hecate91I wonder how Valve is developing for ARM as well unless they've been working on it for some time, a compatibility layer for ARM is exciting as it could mean better game support for ARM laptops.

Yep, QualComm celebrating right now because that extra support opens them a whole new market, especially since the Frame uses one of their APUs (though idk if that compat layer would be of any use for Windows on ARM)

Hecate91Linux would likely have to take away a massive amount of market share away for massive corporations like EA or Activision to not purposely stop their anti-cheats from running on Linux.

I mean, it's getting there : >90% global support when there's only 3% users on it? Linux is ready to be picked by your casual gamer, they just need a nudge to push them and the Machine can only help

Space Lynxthe valve employee in the video says, "it needs to be able to play all your games in steam" i mean that is just an outright lie

No? There is a marked difference between “it needs to” (which is their target goal, reaching which is not always completely dependent on them) and “it definitely can”, which is not what they claim.

As a non steam user it seems my box is better.

It features a semi-custom six-core AMD "Zen 4" processor with 28 compute units of RDNA 3 graphics.

According to lact my 7800xt has 60 compute units. My 7600x with tuned settings should be also a six-core "Zen4". Graphic card matters that is the short version for reading all the reviews these days.

Space Lynxit messes up in cutscenes

Missing video scenes, cutscenes, whatever you call them makes for myself the game broken. It is defunct and not working. Partly working games are broken.

Gaming with the gnu userspace and the linux kernel is fine. People should be honest and say ~60% of the game contents will work for ~70% of the games. I do not have numbers. I just tested the other worlds a few hours ago with wine-proton and it fails miserably. IT is definitely not my box fault as endless sky, urbanterror and some other open source games work which are naively build. The game lacks context withtout the intro after creating the character and so on. I wasted more than an hour yesterday to realise wine is broken for a game from 2019. Soon 7 year old game.

It's most likely something like a Ryzen AI 7 350 which has an 860M on board. At low power those GPU's are pretty damn powerful. 50 watt systems running Cyberpunk 2077 1080P on Medium with frame gen on with nearly 100 fps. The 860M is an RDNA 3.5 GPU.
That said you could make something like that around 800 already so it really needs to be competitively priced.

_roman_As a non steam user it seems my box is better

Yeah but how much did it cost you, does it fit on a shelf, can you wake your TV by booting the Machine and does it comes with built in bluetooth, wifi and ARGB

_roman_According to lact my 7800xt has 60 compute units.

Yeah but it's not your 7800XT, it's a device with BGA soldered compute units (read : 7600M, as in the mobile version of the 7600), your card has a TDP of 263W, the Machine in its entirety is expected to draw 200W

_roman_My 7600x with tuned settings should be also a six-core "Zen4". Graphic card matters that is the short version for reading all the reviews these days.

Again, BGA assembly, it's very likely it's a Ryzen 5 7540U, also x6 cores of Zen4 but aligned with the announced frequencies and TDP (30W)

HakkerIt's most likely something like a Ryzen AI 7 350 which has an 860M on board.

You are entirely wrong, all of the specs of the Machine are known, it's x6 Zen4 cores, not x8 Zen5/5c cores & x28 RDNA3 CUs, not x8 RDNA3.5 CUs with a total TDP of 150W, not 50W