Monday, November 17th 2025

Valve Claims Steam Machine Outperforms 70% of Current Gaming PCs

When Valve introduced its Steam Machine cube gaming console/PC, the gaming community began questioning the hardware choices and Valve's performance claims. However, a Valve engineer stated that the Steam Machine is more powerful than 70% of gaming PCs on the market, based on Steam Survey data. It features a semi-custom six-core AMD "Zen 4" processor with 28 compute units of RDNA 3 graphics. Valve promotes the PC as capable of achieving 4K gaming at 60 FPS with ray tracing and FSR support. It includes 16 GB of DDR5 system memory and 8 GB of GDDR6 VRAM, powering a semi-custom GPU that may be closer to AMD's RDNA 3.5 than pure RDNA 3.

During Adam Savage's Tested podcast, Valve engineer Yazan Aldehayyat remarked that the machine can run all available games on the market. Valve selected this configuration considering the price (which remains unknown), entry-level segment, and market position based on Steam Survey data. Being equal to or better than 70% of existing hardware makes it suitable for most users, and we expect the price point to be attractive to justify its value. Until the pricing is published, we don't know where the Steam Machine will land in terms of market segmentation. However, if Valve plans mass adoption, it will have to be a competitive price point even if it keeps profit margins lower.
Source: via Notebook Check
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133 Comments on Valve Claims Steam Machine Outperforms 70% of Current Gaming PCs

#101
Figus
ShihabI personally would not be surprised if the entry model retailed for US$1000. But even if I were to take my guesses as facts I wouldn’t rule out others finding value in it. The platform has enough idiosyncrasies that it may carve a niche. The current state of the market may even make the price tag slightly justifiable.
1000$ is in the price range of AI max 395+ minipc that are on another level with a 40CU igpu that can do a 4k60fps in forza horizon 5 ultra settings and 100+ fps on zero dawn remastered in 1440p high settings... something like a 4070...
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#102
Punkenjoy
Well, the thing with the Steam Machine is if you prefer to run a Framework Desktop with the AI Max in IT with Steam OS, you can ! its an open ecosystem. Steam Machine isnt for you then. That is what is great with it. You can buy it if you want. You can use whatever else if you dont !!
Figus1000$ is in the price range of AI max 395+ minipc that are on another level with a 40CU igpu that can do a 4k60fps in forza horizon 5 ultra settings and 100+ fps on zero dawn remastered in 1440p high settings... something like a 4070...
This is false, the Max 385 is 1100$ US and without storage, fans and power cable. The Max is 1599$+ and you still need to add storage, fan and power cable.

also they compare it to a 4070 LAPTOP. This is a big diference as it perform around a 3060. Its less performance than a 7600. The 7600M is around 15% slower but the Steam machine will have a higher power budget. In the end. It might be pretty similar.

The main difference will be in the memory management. With Shared memory, there is no risk of going over the frame buffer. In the end it will be on how SteamOS manage memory for the steam machine. I heard good things and the OS overhead in VRAM is probably smaller than Windows, but we will see. Like i said, the PCI-E setup might also influence greatly the performance we see in memory limited scenario.
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#103
LastDudeALive
Vayra86Steam's Survey is representative for Steam users.

Its not a representation of the PC gaming market, or gaming in general. It is what is says it is: a survey among steam users.
People always prop it up as being more than that, but its not and it never will be, unless you also believe Steam is the only access point to game on a PC or gaming in general.
Yes, it is the only relevant access point to gaming on PC. EGS is irrelevant and only exists as a Fortnite launcher, GOG is extremely niche, and Amazon(!!!!!!!!!) failed to compete with Steamafter investing hundreds of millions of $ into doing so.

If you think the share of PC gamers who don't even have Steam installed is anything more than 2-3%, you're smoking something strong and I want some.

www.gamespot.com/articles/majority-of-devs-say-steam-has-monopoly-on-pc-gaming-in-new-poll/1100-6535918/
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#104
Vayra86
LastDudeALiveYes, it is the only relevant access point to gaming on PC. EGS is irrelevant and only exists as a Fortnite launcher, GOG is extremely niche, and Amazon(!!!!!!!!!) failed to compete with Steamafter investing hundreds of millions of $ into doing so.

If you think the share of PC gamers who don't even have Steam installed is anything more than 2-3%, you're smoking something strong and I want some.

www.gamespot.com/articles/majority-of-devs-say-steam-has-monopoly-on-pc-gaming-in-new-poll/1100-6535918/
Gaming on PC, yes, within the Steam catalog. There's a huge amount of AAA you won't see happening on or through Steam.

Steam is overrepresenting the lower-end catalog of PC gaming, and it always has - which is also logically the reason their Steam Machine is specced as it is.
In the end a gamer is simply in front of a few choices:
- platform(s) to own
- games to play on it
- budget allocation to each platform

Steam is a free service accessible from any home/kitchen PC.
Consoles are a walled garden with a subscription for online.

You tell me where those budgets go in this situation and from whom. As we already know, many households simply use several platforms/services at the same time. But what do they play on each? And when the hardware expense of playing high end, triple A on the PC has skyrocketed, where do you think they'll migrate to for what part of their gaming needs?

Exactly. Its not rocket science. In the end people just want to game, content is key, not the platform, its just a means to an end, and people move between them quite easily these days. Everyone knows someone who games on the PC over a console, or has both, or even more machines to game on. Every new console release consumers are again at those crossroads: what new machine will they buy to play what on?
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#105
LastDudeALive
Vayra86There's a huge amount of AAA you won't see happening on or through Steam.
Do you really think people who use another launcher for 1-2 games don't even have Steam installed? Come on, dude.

You've made this exact point yourself, did you change your mind?
Vayra86I sure as hell don't want to put any eggs in the EGS basket, for one.
GOG I can live with, but they haven't got the better half of all games.


Its impressively difficult to get a foot in the door against the massive Steam userbase. But let's take EGS. I think a LOT of people are fine with EGS existing at this point, but their store/launcher is still a fcking mess with horrible performance and crappy UI. Now look at Ubisoft: same shit different look, and on top of that, they have recurring issues with authentication within games and for DLC, or they just simply discontinue support even for games that still get sold (M&M X looking at you, or several HoMMs). EA recently updated their stuff to an EA App and it is of a similar nature; bloated UI with shit functionality and EA is also keen to throw daily multiple GB sized updates into your face for various (F2P) games like Apex.

Whichever other store you compare to Steam, they're all shitty in one way or another. GoG being the exception to the rule, and let's face it, most people who run Steam, have little issues with buying games off GoG. I have no idea what their share is, but I reckon its pretty steady.

What all those other stores do not have in common with Steam? If you enter the Steam launcher, you feel like you're working in a gaming OS, more or less. The functionalities that are there, are there to serve you, and not blatantly to keep pushing content in your face. Valve understands that gamers use the launcher to play games and not as a glorified storefront, that's secondary. Its a direct parallel with the Steam Deck, which basically is the Steam launcher with more helpers underneath. Valve offered us PC noobs a console experience by just clicking their icon, that's kinda it I think. The other stores do not. They just form an obstacle between you and starting the game you want.
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#106
Vayra86
LastDudeALiveDo you really think people who use another launcher for 1-2 games don't even have Steam installed? Come on, dude.

You've made this exact point yourself, did you change your mind?
I'm not contesting that, I'm supporting that they do use other launchers alongside Steam, and I add that they also move freely between platforms or have several at the same time. Your nice find from the past has zero relation to that... Don't be mistaking a personal stance on how I use launchers with a perspective on how the market is moving. I can separate those quite fine, can you?

Since the PS5 its very easy to imagine, and many people have also even said this literally on this forum, that they would rather get a console to play latest greatest, and the PC for the rest. This movement is happening for a while now. Its a mistake to view the Steam survey in isolation, or PC gaming in isolation, when you consider the consoles make up 50% of the gaming market and cover the exact same content.
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#107
LastDudeALive
Vayra86I'm not contesting that, I'm supporting that they do use other launchers alongside Steam, and I add that they also move freely between platforms or have several at the same time.
Your claim was that the Steam Survey is unreliable because "Its not a representation of the PC gaming market, or gaming in general. It is what is says it is: a survey among steam users."

Now you're conceding that even if people have other launchers for a game or two, they still have Steam, thank you for conceding that.

Again, the share of people who game on PC but do not have Steam installed is likely no more than 2-3% at most. The Steam Survey is a reliable source of information about the hardware PC gamers have, and Valve obviously trusts it enough to allocate hundreds of millions of $ based on the data.
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#108
Vayra86
LastDudeALiveYour claim was that the Steam Survey is unreliable because "Its not a representation of the PC gaming market, or gaming in general. It is what is says it is: a survey among steam users."

Now you're conceding that even if people have other launchers for a game or two, they still have Steam, thank you for conceding that.

Again, the share of people who game on PC but do not have Steam installed is likely no more than 2-3% at most. The Steam Survey is a reliable source of information about the hardware PC gamers have, and Valve obviously trusts it enough to allocate hundreds of millions of $ based on the data.
Ballpark reliable at best. Its still a survey that is entirely based on Steam's user analysis - and Steam alone does overrepresent the lower/cheaper segment of gaming.

Basically, when hardware goes cheaper, you will see the # of high end parts in that Survey go up radically and console game sales impacted. So yes, you might think you see what's happening on the gaming market but you're really only looking at a part of it. Its easy to draw the wrong conclusions - though I don't think Valve drew the wrong one about their positioning of the Steam Machine. I get why it exists.
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#109
LastDudeALive
Vayra86Ballpark reliable at best. Its still a survey that is entirely based on Steam's user analysis - and Steam alone does overrepresent the lower/cheaper segment of gaming.
You think that people with 4090s are less likely to use Steam than people with 3060s?
Vayra86Basically, when hardware goes cheaper, you will see the # of high end parts in that Survey go up radically and console game sales impacted. So yes, you might think you see what's happening on the gaming market but you're really only looking at a part of it.
What does this even mean? You're incomprehensible.
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#110
Vayra86
LastDudeALiveYou think that people with 4090s are less likely to use Steam than people with 3060s?


What does this even mean? You're incomprehensible.
What it means is that people upgrade their PC when they actually think it makes for a good deal and there is something they want to play on it.

This is the moment you will see them again in the Steam Survey with a realistic mark. Until that point, they might just be off on their PS5 to play Wukong, Cyberpunk, etc. But their old hardware is still in the Steam Survey. The Steam userbase is, for lack of a better word, a highly elastic entity.
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#111
Punkenjoy
Vayra86What it means is that people upgrade their PC when they actually think it makes for a good deal and there is something they want to play on it.

This is the moment you will see them again in the Steam Survey with a realistic mark. Until that point, they might just be off on their PS5 to play Wukong, Cyberpunk, etc. But their old hardware is still in the Steam Survey. The Steam userbase is, for lack of a better word, a highly elastic entity.
unless they actively open Steam and select to anwser the survey when asked, they wont be counted in the survey. else, then yes.
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#112
Luke357
Blue4130Every SINGLE hotel that I have stayed at in the past 5 years has had a 65 inch tv with hdmi ports available. As for laptops, I hate the form factor of laptops, especially for gaming. Who wants to game on a 17 inch screen? (not to mention any gaming laptop will almost certainly cost double if not more than what this will cost.)
What hotels are you staying at with 65" TVs?? 43" or 50" is what I see most often
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#113
Blue4130
Luke357What hotels are you staying at with 65" TVs?? 43" or 50" is what I see most often
Nearly every hotel in China from one of the major chains. Heck, even when I was in Canada this past summer, both hotels had 65 inch TV's.

And even if a hotel has a 43 inch, that would be better than a 16 inch laptop screen while relaxing on the bed.
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#114
Figus
PunkenjoyWell, the thing with the Steam Machine is if you prefer to run a Framework Desktop with the AI Max in IT with Steam OS, you can ! its an open ecosystem. Steam Machine isnt for you then. That is what is great with it. You can buy it if you want. You can use whatever else if you dont !!


This is false, the Max 385 is 1100$ US and without storage, fans and power cable. The Max is 1599$+ and you still need to add storage, fan and power cable.

also they compare it to a 4070 LAPTOP. This is a big diference as it perform around a 3060. Its less performance than a 7600. The 7600M is around 15% slower but the Steam machine will have a higher power budget. In the end. It might be pretty similar.

The main difference will be in the memory management. With Shared memory, there is no risk of going over the frame buffer. In the end it will be on how SteamOS manage memory for the steam machine. I heard good things and the OS overhead in VRAM is probably smaller than Windows, but we will see. Like i said, the PCI-E setup might also influence greatly the performance we see in memory limited scenario.
You are right, is the 385 on the 999€ range, my bad. Still is an 8 core / 16 thread vs 6/12 with 32CU of rdna 3.5 vs 28 rdna3 sure it will be faster. The 8060S is 10-15% faster than 7600M XT on gaming, and the steam machine is a 28CU, the XT is a 32, in ay case, in the 1000$/€ range, i will go for a custom mini-itx pc done by me with a discrete gpu, maybe a 9060XT with a R5 9600XT cpu, I just took randomly pieces on amazon and I will be in the 1000€ range with a way superior PC, maybe a bit bigger, but a full fledged and upgradable solutiom, so a 1000$/€ steam machine is out of market, can't be more than 600-700$/€.
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#115
Shihab
Vayra86But their old hardware is still in the Steam Survey.
It doesn’t. Valve doesn’t track users in the survey to retain their old hardware entries (they explicitly state that they don’t). Each month’s poll show only what has been sampled during that month[‘s sampling period].
Punkenjoyunless they actively open Steam and select to anwser the survey when asked, they wont be counted in the survey. else, then yes.
Unless they use hardware with no significant user base, they will be accounted for.
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#116
TheGeekn°72
ShihabIt doesn’t. Valve doesn’t track users in the survey to retain their old hardware entries (they explicitly state that they don’t). Each month’s poll show only what has been sampled during that month[‘s sampling period].
I love the concept of the Steam Machine and the Hardware lineup at large but I did wish that someone amongst all of Valve's employees had been put in charge of overhauling the Survey with data points that devs can use and more accurate data
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#117
Shihab
TheGeekn°72I love the concept of the Steam Machine and the Hardware lineup at large but I did wish that someone amongst all of Valve's employees had been put in charge of overhauling the Survey with data points that devs can use and more accurate data
Valve evidently does not believe it to be inaccurate, seeing how they are basing major investments on it.

Publishing them (at least the processed aggregates they show in the website) in a structured format would be nice tho.
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#118
TheGeekn°72
ShihabValve evidently does not believe it to be inaccurate, seeing how they are basing major investments on it.
I don't think the survey to be *too* inaccurate but more data points certainly wouldn't be something to sneer at, it feels more "incomplete" than something else
and I certainly would like to see RDNA4 GPUs represented eventually (are you telling me the 800€ GPU I bought for the explicit purpose of having it show on the Steam Survey isn't showing on the Steam Survey??? /j lmao :D)
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#119
theouto
xSneakNo need to play mouse and keyboard games on a console.
A PS5 wouldn't allow me to play Call of duty 4: Modern Warfare, and an XBOX wouldn't allow me to play God Of War: Ragnarok. The steam machine could, and if I want to play a mouse and keyboard game on a console for whatever reason, the steam machine could do that too. (alongside running blender and other software that consoles couldn't even think of, for good measure)
xSneakAdditoinally, steam OS lacks anti cheat support for the major online multiplayer games which makes this thing even more DOA than I initailly thought.
That didn't stop the steamdeck, and if you go see the top played games right now on steamcharts, you'll see that most of them allow you to play without issues, and there are also many other games worth playing that aren't multiplayer games, so it's still not DOA because it can't play a few admittedly big games. Consoles can't play CS2 or Dota 2, two major online multiplayer games, but they aren't DOA ;)
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#120
TheGeekn°72
xSneakNo need to play mouse and keyboard games on a console.
wydm "need" ? I want to, so I'll do it.
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#121
Figus
TheGeekn°72wydm "need" ? I want to, so I'll do it.
and when you try some joypad interface for mouse and keyboard games you will NEED mouse and keyboard :) When I tryed BG3 on the living room pc, with joypad was a complete shame... what a ugly experience...
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#122
TheGeekn°72
Figusand when you try some joypad interface for mouse and keyboard games you will NEED mouse and keyboard :) When I tryed BG3 on the living room pc, with joypad was a complete shame... what a ugly experience...
This is nonsensical, why would I use M/KB on controller games and vice versa?
I'm talking about games with hybrid controls like FPS titles, controller is fine and all but I will use M/KB if I want to

BG3 is not a controller game just like Project Wingman isn't an M/KB game, it makes no sense to use the other input method
For everything else, I'll play how I want to play it
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#123
epicsithtrooper
N/AWith the built-in CPU, NVMe, and external power, it shouldn't be any bigger than the RX 7600, 12 x 30 x 4 cm, 1.5 liters, 900 grams. I have no idea what they do with the remaining 2.25 liters, it's more of a design choice.
1. It has a built in power supply

2. heatsink needs to cool everything (CPU,GPU,RAM,SSD)

3. Cpus are harder to cool than gpus because heat is less spread out
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#124
Essaudio
There are plenty of people who play games on potato PCs not least because buying a reasonably priced pc for playing games as a non-enthusiast is a nightmare.
The Steam Machine is a probably going to be a great choice for people who (for example) got a pc as a teenager and are still running it years later and aren’t into researching and building pcs. If you plan to build a 5080 or 5090 pc yourself the steam machine may not be for you unless you want a living room pc or some other “additional pc”.
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#125
R0H1T
Easy RhinoI have a Steam account with one hundred games. I do not have a PS5 or Xbox but would like a console or something to play games in my living room. Hrm... I could buy a PS5 or Xbox and have to "re-buy" all my games just to play on that console OR I could buy a Steam Machine which allows to play my already paid for games the way I want. Also, the Steam Link sucks.,
So but an M5 iPad pro, problem solved :laugh:
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