Wednesday, August 5th 2026

Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Windows 11

Microsoft is retroactively removing documentation from its website and materials that mention 32 GB of RAM as a recommendation for new PC builds or purchases. Instead, the company is now emphasizing 8 GB devices that are optimized to run Windows 11 smoothly, even with that RAM configuration. Thanks to Windows Latest, which spotted the changes, Microsoft's Windows Learning Center has been updated to remove mentions of the 32 GB RAM recommendation. Previously, Microsoft published a document suggesting that 16 GB is a baseline for a modern PC, describing it as a good "starting point." However, the company also used to recommend that gamers try to surpass this baseline, suggesting 32 GB as a "no worries" upgrade for gaming PCs.

At that time, this sparked significant controversy as gamers were vocal about Microsoft recommending more RAM when purchasing additional memory could cost as much as an entire PC, depending on the configuration. Amid a severe DRAM shortage, Microsoft faced pushback from gamers and quietly removed the mention of the 32 GB "no worries" recommendation. This also raised concerns about whether Microsoft would optimize the Windows 11 operating system to perform better on lower-spec PCs with less than 16 GB of RAM, such as the 8 GB PCs that Microsoft sells itself, like the Surface Pro 12 and Surface Laptop 13, both of which come with 8 GB base configurations.
We already know that the company is overhauling many components within its Windows 11 operating system. Microsoft has made substantial improvements in memory efficiency and latency to accelerate the modernization of Windows 11. It has reduced memory overhead across apps and components and has optimized WinUI 3 to make built-in apps use less memory. Microsoft also outlined its plans for future Windows 11 memory efficiency improvements, specifically stating that the Windows team will be working on "memory optimization for 8 GB and above." As a result, the company has removed recommendations and mentions of 32 GB RAM from its documents and websites to avoid additional pushback.
Source: Windows Latest
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56 Comments on Microsoft Is Quietly Deleting 32 GB RAM Recommendation for Windows 11

#26
Dimitriman
Another day, another kick in the groin by M$ and the Ai Bois.
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#27
Tyler-98-W68
ZoneDymohonestly....why do so few people on this website realize windows just reserves ram but does not actually use or need it, seriously, take out 8gb and see how it will all be fine 100%, just dont open 30 tabs on Chroma.

Remember that CoD extraction shooter? that game would reserve pretty much all of your systems ram, but it would not use it, if you opened up some programs while playing the game, it would just give that ram up again.
Yes, let me take 8GB of soldered on LPDDR5 ram.......
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#28
u2knetwork
I don't use windows 11 and i have no intention on using it anytime soon, maybe about 7 years from now sure idk. But on my secondary computer i have 16GB of 2400 ddr4 memory and its fine , no problems. 16GB seems to be just fine depending on the speed. But one day i plan to have 128GB just for the sake of having it lol.
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#29
kapela86
8GB ram, with 2GB taken by AMD iGPU because dumb manufacturer "forgot" to add configurable VRAM in UEFI.
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#30
Easo
ZoneDymohonestly....why do so few people on this website realize windows just reserves ram but does not actually use or need it, seriously, take out 8gb and see how it will all be fine 100%, just dont open 30 tabs on Chroma.
Because while the TP is for enthusiasts it does not necessarily mean it is for specialists. Every single article regarding Microsoft in any capacity, no matter if in good or bad light, is full of comments with Microslop and M$. It is annoying to say the least.
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#32
wheresmycar
Through all the AI/DC memory shit-storm there is some light at the end of tunnel. Finally MS gets to trim that fat bird we call Windows.

Nowadays internet browsers take the piss too. They have evolved from something that opens web pages to full blown operating systems within the operating system. Every tab feels like its running its own application. Some stricter measures to sink the boat load of bloat in browsers would be nice too.

We can't just blame Windows... third party software devs are just as guilty. For too long RAM has been cheap and devs have become too focused on rapid development by relying on layers of pre-built software toolkits and fat libraries instead of writing stuff from scratch. Basically, convenience over efficiency.

Hopefully this shift pushes both MS and third party devs to start optimising software again instead of assuming everyone will just throw more RAM at the problem.
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#34
Solaris17
Super Dainty Moderator
Makes sense. The RTX spark laptops are about to release with base models starting at 24gb. Windows on ARM is a big push for MS, and it’s hard to sell an already expensive laptop using new tech with 24gb of ram and your OS, if you tell everyone you need 32.

Among other things and PR etc etc etc
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#35
arni-gx
AleksandarKMicrosoft is retroactively removing documentation from its website and materials that mention 32 GB of RAM as a recommendation for new PC builds or purchases. Instead, the company is now emphasizing 8 GB devices that are optimized to run Windows 11 smoothly, even with that RAM configuration. Thanks to Windows Latest, which spotted the changes, Microsoft's Windows Learning Center has been updated to remove mentions of the 32 GB RAM recommendation. Previously, Microsoft published a document suggesting that 16 GB is a baseline for a modern PC, describing it as a good "starting point." However, the company also used to recommend that gamers try to surpass this baseline, suggesting 32 GB as a "no worries" upgrade for gaming PCs.

At that time, this sparked significant controversy as gamers were vocal about Microsoft recommending more RAM when purchasing additional memory could cost as much as an entire PC, depending on the configuration. Amid a severe DRAM shortage, Microsoft faced pushback from gamers and quietly removed the mention of the 32 GB "no worries" recommendation. This also raised concerns about whether Microsoft would optimize the Windows 11 operating system to perform better on lower-spec PCs with less than 16 GB of RAM, such as the 8 GB PCs that Microsoft sells itself, like the Surface Pro 12 and Surface Laptop 13, both of which come with 8 GB base configurations.

We already know that the company is overhauling many components within its Windows 11 operating system. Microsoft has made substantial improvements in memory efficiency and latency to accelerate the modernization of Windows 11. It has reduced memory overhead across apps and components and has optimized WinUI 3 to make built-in apps use less memory. Microsoft also outlined its plans for future Windows 11 memory efficiency improvements, specifically stating that the Windows team will be working on "memory optimization for 8 GB and above." As a result, the company has removed recommendations and mentions of 32 GB RAM from its documents and websites to avoid additional pushback.
so, right now, windows 11 can be running on PC/laptop with 8GB RAM only ??
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#36
rusty caterpillar
Tyler-98-W688GB? Sounds like a bad time. I have a ultra 5 226v laptop with 16gb of ram and it has less than 4gb free after a fresh boot. Couldn't imagine using win11 with 8gb.
That RAM is full with non user tasks.Switch to 10 ioT.
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#37
R0H1T
Solaris17Windows on ARM is a big push for MS, and it’s hard to sell an already expensive laptop using new tech with 24gb of ram and your OS, if you tell everyone you need 32.
Well tbf you don't need 32GB RAM on windows, sure it's good/great to have if you run tons of stuff in the background but memory compression has certainly gotten better over the years! Can't say too much about X elite or X elite 2 chips right now, although even x86 is getting more efficient, but in general less (OEM?) bloatware is the way to go if MS seriously wants to compete with Apple.
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#38
notoperable
M$ become the Monty Python of IT.
32GB was yesterday, 8GB is enough for everyone today ...
I wonder how M$ is gonna pull it off with all of that data extraction
running constantly in the background with 200+ background services
with hilarious descriptions cognitive tar pit, read 5 - its game over
btw. it works a lot faster/better with those disabled and no pagefile.sys
is allowed, i dont like my drives to be crippled by constant writes

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#39
Tess
I don't think it's a problem recommending 16GB as a good starting point. You can easily try various amounts yourself just by using SysConfig;
  • Open Start and search for System Configuration (or run msconfig).
  • Go to the Boot tab → Advanced options.
  • Check Maximum memory and enter the desired limit in MB (e.g., 4096 for 4 GB, 8192 for 8 GB).
  • Apply, OK, and restart.
I tried it just now with 8GB because in another thread here there are some very uninformed people claiming that Win11 might run in 8GB but you can't actually do anything - which I know is nonsense. So, I set it to 8192 and rebooted. I have so many nice OS and hardware goodies installed that it reserved about 1.1GB in Hardware Reserved (untouchable!) memory. So with 6.9GB for everything else I went about opening everything I might typically want to in my normal 64GB (32GB these days) system work-flow.

The 38.9 gigs is the total commit limit - the maximum amount of memory Windows can promise to all programs combined. It's calculated as usable physical RAM + Size of pagefile on disk (32Gig - unchanged from before the SysConfig HARD Limit was set. So Magic Windows 11 Pro is promising about 2 more GB than I actually have at the time of that screen shot - knida...

I went right to work... I can't actually show what I'm working on currently so i loaded an older scene into LW3D (recent version) and sent the model to Modeler so I could edit the mesh while animating it in Layout (2 separate programs linked through "LW HUB");





And of course gotta have a browser with a kazillian tabs open so I loaded that up and additionally loaded and displayed a very high resolution PDF - as if I needed to look something up for LW operation. Paged through it a bit to buffer 20 or 30 pages. So far everything is acting exactly the same as if I were running in 32GB - zero slow-down - including with the browser.



Oh wait I need to find that script... the one which has sdfsdfsdf_werwesrfwe(); in it. Zeroed the results because I don't wanna shot that kinda data in public - golly <blush>. It's running through the folders and searching same speed as always;



Found it... Let's go there and see the size of all the files and folders in that location (can't show the actual location so just top level is shown). Another app opened and two drives completely scanned (one HDD and one NVMe) - took about 25 seconds (just like usual) and of course the app loaded instantly:



What else do I often do... ah, show the boys what I'm working on, my ideas, etc. so they can tell me what a dumb idea it is (or isn't) and grimace with vindication... So my video editor it is... (everything else is still running and in memory BTW) It loads instantly like always and I load an animation I made for you guys at TPU a few weeks back:



It's not heavily layered but it's 30 seconds of 1384x1080p loaded ALL into RAM - no proxy or anything. It plays fine - full 30FPS like I have it set to - no hitches or anything.

Next I start flipping from app to app to see if switching and using them will bind things up. Spoiler alert: It didn't. Every thing was smooth like I had just loaded it into a normal 64GB system - no drive grinding or anything - just a few blips once in awhile - not terribly different from how Windows treats them normally...



It's showing LW Layout and LW Modeler twice because I used Win11 SnapAssist to join them together - thus they're selectable individually and as a "Desktop" group. If I had more apps open those would all scroll and fan out up off the top of the screen with the mouse-wheel. Ah, I forgot to load Photoshop, Illustration and LibreOffice - oh-well, next time.

All that in 8GB of RAM and zero slowdown or chugging. Nice. So I changed the SysConfig → Boot → Advanced → Maximum Memory back to normal [off], rebooted and here I am.



Fun times! :D

Yeah, 16GB is fine - even for 99% of the 137,000 games available on Steam! :D
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#40
notoperable
TesselatorFun times! :D
Yeah, especially for your SSD that is abused for that pagefile.sys :)
Btw. Lightwave is still alive? I thought Modo (from your screenshots, it looks a lot like Modo to me) was the next thing (until it was dropped, a year or so ago), figures...
I smell some Amiga here :]

LOL, kudos for the grepwin, hehehe, just use msys2 and add the coreutils to your binpath, add normal terminal stuff with clink (tab completion, sane keyboard shortcuts emacs, lua scripting for some extra magic)
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#41
GeoffreyA
TesselatorI don't think it's a problem recommending 16GB as a good starting point. You can easily try various amounts yourself just by using SysConfig;
  • Open Start and search for System Configuration (or run msconfig).
  • Go to the Boot tab → Advanced options.
  • Check Maximum memory and enter the desired limit in MB (e.g., 4096 for 4 GB, 8192 for 8 GB).
  • Apply, OK, and restart.
I tried it just now with 8GB because in another thread here there are some very uninformed people claiming that Win11 might run in 8GB but you can't actually do anything - which I know is nonsense. So, I set it to 8192 and rebooted. I have so many nice OS and hardware goodies installed that it reserved about 1.1GB in Hardware Reserved (untouchable!) memory. So with 6.9GB for everything else I went about opening everything I might typically want to in my normal 64GB (32GB these days) system work-flow.
Superb test! Is that Godzilla? :)

Strangely, for me, on IoT LTSC, it didn't work the other day, changing RAM size with msconfig.
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#42
_roman_
it is not like we know since 1985 that DRAM is one of the key aspects of a computer. well choose windows and deal with it. i evaluated my use case more than 30 years ago and tried different things. more dram costs more cash and more energy, bloated software costs you plenty of money in the long run.

People, i hereby declare, "Water is wet". (implying that DRAM is scare and should not be wasted by using the wrong software, wrong configuration, etc.)

More Money can solve everything, afaik AMD Milan ships with up to / at least 2TiB of DRAM and a few cpu cores. you may need another windows license to address only 2TiB of DRAM and those few cpu cores.

mint is bloated, my box idles around 512mib dram. not optimised for dram, it was below 250mib for years.
notoperableYeah, especially for your SSD that is abused for that pagefile.sys :)
ask my refurbished notebook wiht 22% lost health on the SAMSUMG OEM NVME with 8gib dram and 250gb nvme from samsung

disable those 3 or 4 swap files in windows and several apps will not start with 8gib dram, i did that earlier this year.
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#43
notoperable
_roman_it is not like we know since 1985 that DRAM is one of the key aspects of a computer. well choose windows and deal with it. i evaluated my use case more than 30 years ago and tried different things. more dram costs more cash and more energy, bloated software costs you plenty of money in the long run.

People, i hereby declare, "Water is wet". (implying that DRAM is scare and should not be wasted by using the wrong software, wrong configuration, etc.)

More Money can solve everything, afaik AMD Milan ships with around 2TB of DRAM and a few cpu cores.
Today nobody has to optimize s**t when you got GB 64bit address space at hand, you just bruteforce the hardware instead
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#44
Tess
GeoffreyASuperb test! Is that Godzilla? :)

Strangely, for me, on IoT LTSC, it didn't work the other day, changing RAM size with msconfig.
Big lizard... :D

notoperableYeah, especially for your SSD that is abused for that pagefile.sys :)
You mean that 128GB 850Pro I got 7 years ago for $50 and have been using as a scratch & dump drive ever since? Nah, not worried. :D

notoperableBtw. Lightwave is still alive? I thought Modo (from your screenshots, it looks a lot like Modo to me) was the next thing (until it was dropped, a year or so ago), figures...
MODO came and died [Bye-Bye Big Gay Brad] - it's dead... LW lives. It almost died tho... It was on life support there for a bit. Got sold twice but it's in good hands now (thank you very much! <blush> )
notoperableI smell some Amiga here :]
Several!
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#45
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
McSteelHonestly, for productivity even 32 GB is getting to be a bit tight... I work in IT consultancy, and between various apps, per-client browser windows, and remote connections, it's not uncommon to see a browser tab crash due to lack of memory. Backlash or not, the RAM recommendation from MS was realistic, and the current state of "everything is just a glorified browser now" is unsustainable. Nobody writes software with running efficiency in mind anymore.
Software engineering manager here. 32GB is probably tight... on Windows. I have 36GB on my Macbook Pro and it works fine for my purposes.

Didn't LTT just do a video on memory usage between Windows and Linux using the same apps and doing the same things? The difference is eye watering, even on top of all the bloat in Windows.
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#46
Tess
AquinusDidn't LTT
LTT is really good at product presentation. He started out as a sales and presentation tuber and today he's mastered it. I have great respect for him because of the machine he built - LTT Store Dot Com! However...

Every single time (almost) he presents himself as a tech, he gets in big trouble for blowing chunks as knowledgeable people call him out on his nonsense. If people are listening to channels like that without looking stuff up for themselves, I can finally begin to understand the reality disconnect I read in forums like this.
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#47
chrcoluk
TheinsanegamerNThey need to go back to native apps. The new electron calendar app uses half a gig of RAM because it's a glorified web browser. The old C# calendar program ran on kilobytes of RAM.

This kind of contractor bloat is everywhere in 11.
I feel almost the entire software dev industry has these problems, so many devs only learning frameworks, and in particular web languages so we end up with situations like desktop apps running on web browser (discord is one example), and even a game warcraft 3 reforged its title screen is now on web code. :laugh: Loads of stuff now using edge (mswebview), or chromium.

Should make it a requirement to write a test program in C# to get through the door.
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#48
FR3D1
Ninja Cat
Microsoft is bringing AI to Windows 11’s performance tools to figure out why PCs are slow
In addition to an AI-powered performance analyzer, Microsoft is optimizing RAM usage for Windows 11 and its apps, including apps built using WinUI.
Source

Regards,
Fred.
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#49
Ulti P. Uszer
25 yrs ago when I used to repair Pentium 4 PCs, I used to say "It's major problem is that it's starving to death for ram." ..... And now it seems we're going back to that.
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#50
notoperable
When Mechwarrior 2 came out and DX was a new kid on the block a year after W95 inintroduced iitself with Chemical Brothers tunes as soundtrack, I recall slaving my ass off in the summer as intern in a programming sweatshop to buy 128mb ram and a wierd ass quantum cheap cdrom seized 1gb hard drive...
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