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AMD Ryzen 5000 "Zen 3" "Vermeer" Launch Liveblog

Oct 8th, 2020 11:53 Discuss (123 Comments)

AMD is announcing its next-generation Ryzen 5000 series desktop processors in the Socket AM4 package. These 7 nm processors see the implementation of the company's new "Zen 3" microarchitecture, and are expected to push the performance envelope. AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su takes centerstage in a pre-recorded launch event stream which we are live-blogging. These are facts as they appear, along with our analysis.

Update 16:01 UTC: Looks like this is a pre-recorded stream made to look live (a premiere).

Update 16:02 UTC: AMD runs through the "Zen" journey.

Update 16:04 UTC: Dr Su takes centerstage

Update 16:05 UTC: PS5 + Xbox Series X/S design wins are big for AMD

Update 16:06 UTC: AMD significantly changed PC performance over the past 3 years.

Update 16:08 UTC: Zen 3

Update 16:09 UTC: "Best single-threaded performance and gaming performance:" Dr Su

Update 16:09 UTC: Shipping within Q4 2020, confirmed.

Update 16:10 UTC: IPC increases confirmed, new cache topology

Update 16:11 UTC: Unified 8-core complex per chiplet

Update 16:11 UTC: 19% IPC Uplift!!!

Update 16:13 UTC: Breakdown of the performance contributions

Update 16:14 UTC: Relentless commitment to energy efficiency, +24% vs prior generation

Update 16:14 UTC: 2.8x efficiency vs. Core i9-10900K

Update 16:15 UTC: "Zen 4" on 5 nm confirmed.

Update 16:16 UTC: Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core/24-thread, 19% IPC increase, higher clock speeds, 105W TDP

Update 16:16 UTC: 28% gaming performance increase vs. 3900XT. AMD has leveled up to Intel

Update 16:18 UTC: Massive gaming performance gains. Average 26% gain in CPU-limited resolutions. AMD already has parity in high-resolutions that are GPU-limited

Update 16:19 UTC: AMD beats Intel in single-threaded Cinebench. It's curtains for Intel's 1T CPU leadership

Update 16:20 UTC: The best possible PC gaming experience: Rob Hallock.

Update 16:21 UTC: The World's Best Gaming CPUs. Lineup:

Update 16:21 UTC: Prices:

Update 16:22 UTC: Available in November 5

Update 16:22 UTC: 16-core Ryzen 9 5950X, 105W

Update 16:23 UTC: Up to 27% faster than the R9 3950X

Update 16:23 UTC: 59% faster than i9-10900K in creator workloads. And Gaming. Priced $799

Update 16:24 UTC: Radeon Big Navi teaser

Update 16:25 UTC: 5900X + 6000 series flagship performance preview

Update 16:26 UTC: That was fast! No pointless celebrity demoes, just "we're the fastest, kthxbai"

Update 16:38 UTC: AMD will bundle Far Cry 6 with the 5950X, 5900X, 5800X in select markets.

Update 16:39 UTC: And this concludes our liveblog. Wow.

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123 Comments on AMD Ryzen 5000 "Zen 3" "Vermeer" Launch Liveblog

#26

ShurikN

the54thvoidUnfortunately, I think Big Navi might fall short of Nvidia's best.

Looks like it's 10fps down on 3080 in two of the 3 games. I'll come down to pricing. Probably another 5700XT VS 2070Super situation (in terms of price/perf).

#27

kapone32

birdieLet me be brutally honest. AMD is no different than Intel in terms of dictating prices when they have the performance crown.

The pricing for the Ryzen 5000 series:

5600X: $300 - very close to the price of the 3700X which featured two more cores.
5800X: $450
5900X: $550
5950X: $800

All priced $50 higher than their Ryzen 3000 counterparts.

What is your point? Who isn't excited about these especially if you were able to compare the 3100x vs the 3300x. That is why I am happy to pay that for a 5600X.

#28

milewski1015

RahnakI hope they do a 5700X later on. There's a pretty big price gap between the 5600X and the 5800X.

Agreed. Hopefully there'll be some non-X SKUs too, since at MSRP the X SKUs are generally not worth spending more for

#29

chaosmassive

if AMD follow their tradition, there will be non X SKU which hopefully shave off another 50-100 unnecessary spending on X counterpart.

#30

TheLostSwede

News Editor

#31

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop

birdieLet me be brutally honest. AMD is no different than Intel in terms of dictating prices when they have the performance crown.

The pricing for the Ryzen 5000 series:

5600X: $300 - very close to the price of the 3700X which featured two more cores.
5800X: $450
5900X: $550
5950X: $800

All priced $50 higher than their Ryzen 3000 counterparts. What's more, there's no sign of 5700X which was a sweet spot for the previous gen Ryzen CPUs. Either you pay $50 more for the 3600X alternative or you have to pay whopping $120 more to get just two more cores.

Customers first, my ass. More like profits first now that Intel still cannot solve their 10nm node.

No one assumed otherwise. At least not anyone worth listening to.

#32

kapone32

jesdalsThink I might go all in with a 5950x but didnt se any info about compability with mainboards and would have liked to see the Ifinity speeds

There should be zero issues with B550 and X570 boards with BIOS updates. Even budget B550 boards have BIOS flashback.

#33

MxPhenom 216

ASIC Engineer

lynx29wow big navi matches rtx 3080 at 4k in 3 games, about 5 fps slower than 3080, but still wow. well done AMD

Matches?

I mean go to Wizz RTX3080 review and look at Gears 5 and BL3 4k numbers. Big Navi is like ~10fps lower in both those games.

Basically sits exactly where I thought it would.

#34

kapone32

MxPhenom 216Matches?

I mean go to Wizz RTX3080 review and look at Gears 5 and BL3 4k numbers. Big Navi is like ~10fps lower in both those games.

Basically sits exactly where I thought it would.

But which Navi card is it?

#35

mrthanhnguyen

Where is the 5ghz hype train?

#36

BoboOOZ

the54thvoidUnfortunately, I think Big Navi might fall short of Nvidia's best.

They said Radeon 6000, we don(t even know if what we saw was the biggest Navi.

#37

gravel

AMD The World's Best Gaming CPUs ...rip intel :eek:

#38

Space Lynx

Astronaut

MxPhenom 216Matches?

I mean go to Wizz RTX3080 review and look at Gears 5 and BL3 4k numbers. Big Navi is like ~10fps lower in both those games.

Basically sits exactly where I thought it would.

still not bad considering how big of a leap the 3080 was.

#39

MxPhenom 216

ASIC Engineer

kapone32But which Navi card is it?

BoboOOZThey said Radeon 6000, we don(t even know if what we saw was the biggest Navi.

This is true we don't know.

lynx29still not bad considering how big of a leap the 3080 was.

3080 wasnt that big of a leap if we are talking pure rasterization.

#40

birdie

mrthanhnguyenWhere is the 5ghz hype train?

Derailed as it's been with AMD for the past 10 years?

#41

the54thvoid

Intoxicated Moderator

mrthanhnguyenWhere is the 5ghz hype train?

Clock frequency is less important than IPC. It's why AMD had their crazy high power FX chips at 5GHz. It was just a number. Now they're serious. Thanks to an engineer named Su.

#42

MxPhenom 216

ASIC Engineer

lynx29still not bad considering how big of a leap the 3080 was.

the54thvoidClock frequency is less important than IPC. It's why AMD had their crazy high power FX chips at 5GHz. It was just a number. Now they're serious. Thanks to an engineer named Su.

Su and Jim Keller

#43

R0H1T

birdieLet me be brutally honest. AMD is no different than Intel in terms of dictating prices when they have the performance crown.

The pricing for the Ryzen 5000 series:

5600X: $300 - very close to the price of the 3700X which featured two more cores.
5800X: $450
5900X: $550
5950X: $800

All priced $50 higher than their Ryzen 3000 counterparts. What's more, there's no sign of 5700X which was a sweet spot for the previous gen Ryzen CPUs. Either you pay $50 more for the 3600X alternative or you have to pay whopping $120 more to get just two more cores.

Customers first, my ass. More like profits first now that Intel still cannot solve their 10nm node.

Let me be brutally honest, Intel don't lower their MSRP they just EOL their processors & launch new ones with more clock speeds or HT ~ that's their playbook for more than a decade! You want a new gen chip with an old chipset ~ sucks to be you because Intel not only locks you in with their BS OCing premium on their processors but also locks you out of performing upgrades because they just need to mint $ like there's no tomorrow. I have a couple of x9xx motherboards with no upgrade path because ~ Intel :shadedshu:

So stop your BS comparisons about what AMD & Intel do :rolleyes:

#44

Punkenjoy

mrthanhnguyenWhere is the 5ghz hype train?

That hype train is just another proof than enthousiast don't know what they need. They are able to beat Intel with a CPU that have less Frequency. So do you still need more GHz? or more perf?

#45

TheLostSwede

News Editor

jesdalsThink I might go all in with a 5950x but didnt se any info about compability with mainboards and would have liked to see the Ifinity speeds

It's all up on their website already
www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen

#46

birdie

the54thvoidClock frequency is less important than IPC. It's why AMD had their crazy high power FX chips at 5GHz. It was just a number. Now they're serious. Thanks to an engineer named Su.

I'm 100% sure Lisa has had zero input/impact on any Zen uArch. She's a CEO, not a CPU engineer. She might have chimed in on their pricing though.

#47

Zareek

Someone put +$100 for 5800X, 3800X launched at $399.99 so it's $50. Not sure why but it quoted the wrong post.

I'm a little disappointed by the price increases but I suspect this is only a launch price. It gives them room to react as Intel drops it's prices while bagging as much profit from the early adopters as possible.

#48

laszlo

no comment til see the reviews of all ... cpu&gpu...

#49

Punkenjoy

R0H1TLet me be brutally honest, Intel don't lower their MSRP they just EOL their processors & launch new ones more clockspeeds or HT ~ that's their playbook for more than a decade! You want a new gen chip with an old shipset ~ sucks to be you because Intel not only locks you in with their BS OCing premium on their processors but also locks you out of performing upgrades because they just need to mint $ like there's no tomorrow. I have a couple of x9xx motherboards with no upgrade path because ~ Intel :shadedshu:

So stop your BS comparisons about what AMD & Intel do :rolleyes:

Yes, if you have a 5xx series motherboard or supported 4xx series motherboard, you will just be able to pay for a new CPU to upgrade where with Intel, you always have to add the cost of a new motherboard. I will certainly buy a 5900x or something like that later down the road (maybe next summer) to replace my 3600.

Drop in replacement are amazing. But hey, don't get too exited, it's pretty clear that there will be a new AMD socket for DDR5.

Also, i am happy about what i am seeing, but AMD is a corporation. Their goal is to make money. That's it. So don't cheer to much for a company. But i am very happy that there is a fight going on between Intel and AMD. Just hope Intel will fight back hard so AMD have to reply hard and etc...

This is what is good for customer.

Like with GPU, if the rumors that Nvidia cranked up Ampere to fight AMD are true, well it's all good for us no matter what you end up buying.

#50

v12dock

Block Caption of Rainey Street

Hmm... Do I go to Microcenter on the 5th...

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