Wednesday, October 28th 2020

AMD Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" RDNA2 Graphics Card Launch Liveblog

After thoroughly appetizing us with its "Where Gaming Begins: Episode 1" event announcing the Ryzen 5000 series "Zen 3" processors that offer up to 19% IPC gains, in the second Episode, we see the company announcing its next-generation Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" graphics cards based on the RDNA2 graphics architecture that introduce full DirectX 12 Ultimate readiness, including real-time raytracing hardware. In the run up to the RX 6000, NVIDIA is already reportedly preparing product-stack updates. In this liveblog, we uncover what has NVIDIA riled up, and whether AMD can pull off better pricing and availbility than the RTX 30-series.

Update 15:59 UTC: It is time! Welcome to the Radeon RX 6000 Series live blog.
Update 16:01 UTC: AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su takes centerstage, fresh off a good quarterly results announcement, and that big Xilinx acquisition announcement.
Update 16:03 UTC: FarCry 6 seems like an AMD optimized title.

Update 16:03 UTC: Possibly the flagship product.
Update 16:04 UTC: AMD is where gaming begins because next-gen consoles trust it. - Dr Su

Update 16:05 UTC: 50% generational improvement in perf/W.
Update 16:06 UTC: 26.7 billion transistors, almost as big as GA102
Update 16:07 UTC: RDNA2 has a breakthrough high-speed design.
Update 16:08 UTC: AMD RDNA2 compute unit 30% more energy efficient.
Update 16:09 UTC: InfinityCache works to significantly improve memory bandwidth, based on the Zen L3 cache. More than 2.17x bandwidth gain despite 256-bit.
Update 16:10 UTC: 30% higher frequencies on the same 7 nm node.
Update 16:10 UTC: DirectX 12 Ultimate and DirectStorage support.
Update 16:11 UTC: Over 2X performance gain over RX 5700 XT.
Update 16:11 UTC: The RX 6800 XT!
Update 16:12 UTC: 4K Gaming from AMD is here! Matches RTX 3080!!!
Update 16:13 UTC: Hello competition!
Update 16:14 UTC: Welcome back ATI Rage, as the AMD Rage Mode.
Update 16:15 UTC: When paired with Ryzen, you get a gaming performance boost, 13% perf increase.

Update 16:15 UTC: AMD introduces its take on the NVIDIA Reflex, announcing latest Radeon Lag and Radeon Boost. No special API needed.
Update 16:16 UTC: Full DX12 Ultimate support, including ray-tracing. Woirking on a DLSS-rival.
Update 16:18 UTC: AMD is leveraging studios working on Xbox Series X / PS5 devs to integrate its Radeon features on the PC.

Update 16:18 UTC: FarCry 6, DiRT 5, WoW Shadowlands (which gets raytracing), RiftBreaker, are AMD-optimized.

Update 16:21 UTC: Available Nov 18, starts, $649

Update 16:21 UTC: Also announcing RX 6800 : faster than RTX 2080 Ti, 4K + raytracing ready
Update 16:22 UTC: $579, November 18 availability for the RX 6800.

Update 16:22 UTC: Lisa gets ready for a "one more thing"

Update 16:23 UTC: Radeon RX 6900 XT: 80 CUs, 65% perf/Watt over 5700 XT.
Update 16:25 UTC: RTX 3090 BEATEN!!!!
Update 16:26 UTC: December 8 for the RX 6900 XT, priced $999.
Update 16:26 UTC: OOF, we cannot wait to test these cards out!

Update 17:08 UTC: The press-release can be found here.

Update 17:19 UTC: The complete AMD slide deck follows.
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351 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" RDNA2 Graphics Card Launch Liveblog

#76
Turmania
I would like to see a conparison with 6900xt and 6800xt
Since they draw same power.
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#77
medi01
Curious, that there are a bit more transistors in 3090 than 6900XT. (about 1 billion of difference)
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#78
dragontamer5788
I'm not buying until I see decent ROCm support (and 3rd party benches).

But these numbers are impressive. The GPUs are definitely on my radar now.
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#79
B-Real
repman244
Looks good, but I was hoping for 6800 to be cheaper...I guess the days of top cards going for 400€ are long gone.
There's definitely be smaller cards later.
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#80
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
B-Real
If you check drivers in the last years of NV, they are non better than AMD's. AMD had bigger driver issues back in the days of the 7000 series as far as I remember and it burned into people's mind. Just like the hot and egg frying things.


There's definitely be smaller cards later.
Ah, I can't agree with that. The drivers (at least specific for the RX 5700 XT) were not exactly great, especially with the downclocking in older games (DX 9 and 10 titles) and blackscreens/CTDs. If I recall, they were able to get it stable by the September 2019 releases. After that (and disabling any of the AMD optimization in Adrenalin), the RX 5700 XT was rock stable. Great hardware, bad software.
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#81
windwhirl
dragontamer5788
I'm not buying until I see decent ROCm support (and 3rd party benches).

But these numbers are impressive. The GPUs are definitely on my radar now.
Wasn't ML, compute and all that moved to CDNA, which is now like its own product?
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#82
lynx29
MxPhenom 216
Jesus your signature is an eye sore
you love it, don't lie to yourself.
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#83
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
kapone32
Does it matter?
It should, kind of. Most people won't be using Rage Mode on all the time (like I leave Anti-Lag and Chill disabled). Not sure about that Infinity setting though.
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#84
Turmania
I never liked to see Ryzen paired up with Nvidia. That defeats the whole point of AMD does it not? You are not truly a red untill you get both Ryzen and Radeon.
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#85
Rahnak
Kinda bummed neither company has shown any products under the 500€ mark but I'm pleased that AMD seems to have brought competition back to the high end space. Kudos to them.

Still curious about RT perf and DLSS competitor. Shame they didn't show anything about that.
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#86
Chrispy_
So the 6900XT is a 3090 at $999 instead of Nvidia's $1499 which is great.
But the 6800 is a 3070 at $579 instead of Nvidia's $499 which isn't so great.

The leaks were wrong about the CU counts of the 6800 series, too - the 6800 in particular was the card I think more people were hoping would be competitive and they've already lost to Nvidia on price, and that's taking AMD's own benchmark numbers rather than the independent reviewer benchmark numbers realeased yesterday. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some people are going to be super hyped for the thousand-dollar 6900 flagship but the stats show that only a tiny fraction of people actually buy them, compared to the stuff in the $200-500 price point.
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#87
nguyen
Rasterizaton performance are good but AMD really expect to sell those GPU at those prices ? or perhaps they can't price them any lower ?
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#88
okbuddy
72/80=0.9

999-649 >>>>> 0.9

10% bump you need $350


plus only 3 video ports, 3080 got five
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#89
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
windwhirl
Wasn't ML, compute and all that moved to CDNA, which is now like its own product?
RDNA (and most likely RDNA2) can still do compute, but its just not as effective as the previous Radeon VII/RX Vegas. It's also the reason why I'm still going to stick with my RTX 3080.
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#90
mahirzukic2
lynx29
you love it, don't lie to yourself.
I do, for sure. It's so over the top, gotta love it.
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#91
dragontamer5788
windwhirl
Wasn't ML, compute and all that moved to CDNA, which is now like its own product?
Well, there's no information about CDNA either. Traditionally, AMD's compute line (ie: MI25) shares similarities with their consumer line (ie: Vega64). MI6 is like Fury Nano. Etc. etc.

If this RDNA2 6900XT architecture is any good, AMD will make a compute-card with similar specs.
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#92
Manoa
MxPhenom 216
Except if you ask 5700XT owners on this site they still have problems a year later...
I know someone personally who buyed 5700XT nitro+ new and traded it for 1080Ti becuase of many problems, this was just a cuple months ago :x
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#93
xkm1948
lynx29
im buying 6900XT 100%
DO IT MAN, JUST BUILD IT ALREADY
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#94
Arkz
I wish they would announce a more friendly priced lower end card. I wanna upgrade from my RX580 but really about £250-300 is my limit. That used to get you a high end card 10 years ago. If I spend that now it will still be weaker than the Xbox Series X probably.
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#95
PLSG08
The RX 6800 non XT could've been a much better card if it were priced @499. Would've been competitive enough with the 3070.

Mind you according to the note on the end of the Stream, all the scores were done with the 5900x and an engineering board, this meant that the scores would've been the best case scenario. If you were you using a 3000 series CPU with a 400 series mobo you'd most likely get less performance.

I kinda think that AMD would do a price drop right before they launch the cards at nov 18. They might drop the price down of the 6800 non XT to a 525 or even the 499 price point w/c would absolutely be competitive (if the slides are true with the performance)
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#96
Ibotibo01
Will AMD make RX 6800 8GB for $449-499? Please AMD, bring RX 6700 and 6600 series before Nvidia.
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#97
B-Real
Cheeseball
Ah, I can't agree with that. The drivers (at least specific for the RX 5700 XT) were not exactly great, especially with the downclocking in older games (DX 9 and 10 titles) and blackscreens/CTDs. If I recall, they were able to get it stable by the September 2019 releases. After that (and disabling any of the AMD optimization in Adrenalin), the RX 5700 XT was rock stable. Great hardware, bad software.
I didn't say they were great. :) I said the really worse drivers were back in the days of the 7000. I bought a 270X back then, I can remember forums. But there were much less problems for the next 200 series. I used a 270X for 4 years, I had zero issues. Also using an RX 570 for nearly 2 years now, same, zero issues. What I wanted to point at is that today's NV drivers are not better than AMD ones. Just see what happened to RTX 3000, and maybe 2,5-3 years back, with Watch Dogs 2 not starting up or instantly crashing with a WHQL driver, there were Chrome video playback problems, etc.
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#98
Durvelle27
Now I have to debate between getting a RX 6800 XT or RX 6900 XT
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#99
mb194dc
Presumably AMD numbers are for reference card. Wondering how much power and clock headroom 6800xt could have with good cooling....

Looks from presentation that numbers are for a boost clock of only 2250, chances of AIB with 2500 (as rumored) boost clock and can even push higher with more watts on water or better cooling.
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#100
MDWiley
Oooh I’m excited. Third party reviews can’t come soon enough. I just hope the drivers are good. If so I might just switch from nvidia.
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