Wednesday, October 28th 2020

AMD Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" RDNA2 Graphics Card Launch Liveblog

After thoroughly appetizing us with its "Where Gaming Begins: Episode 1" event announcing the Ryzen 5000 series "Zen 3" processors that offer up to 19% IPC gains, in the second Episode, we see the company announcing its next-generation Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" graphics cards based on the RDNA2 graphics architecture that introduce full DirectX 12 Ultimate readiness, including real-time raytracing hardware. In the run up to the RX 6000, NVIDIA is already reportedly preparing product-stack updates. In this liveblog, we uncover what has NVIDIA riled up, and whether AMD can pull off better pricing and availbility than the RTX 30-series.

Update 15:59 UTC: It is time! Welcome to the Radeon RX 6000 Series live blog.
Update 16:01 UTC: AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su takes centerstage, fresh off a good quarterly results announcement, and that big Xilinx acquisition announcement.
Update 16:03 UTC: FarCry 6 seems like an AMD optimized title.

Update 16:03 UTC: Possibly the flagship product.
Update 16:04 UTC: AMD is where gaming begins because next-gen consoles trust it. - Dr Su

Update 16:05 UTC: 50% generational improvement in perf/W.
Update 16:06 UTC: 26.7 billion transistors, almost as big as GA102
Update 16:07 UTC: RDNA2 has a breakthrough high-speed design.
Update 16:08 UTC: AMD RDNA2 compute unit 30% more energy efficient.
Update 16:09 UTC: InfinityCache works to significantly improve memory bandwidth, based on the Zen L3 cache. More than 2.17x bandwidth gain despite 256-bit.
Update 16:10 UTC: 30% higher frequencies on the same 7 nm node.
Update 16:10 UTC: DirectX 12 Ultimate and DirectStorage support.
Update 16:11 UTC: Over 2X performance gain over RX 5700 XT.
Update 16:11 UTC: The RX 6800 XT!
Update 16:12 UTC: 4K Gaming from AMD is here! Matches RTX 3080!!!
Update 16:13 UTC: Hello competition!
Update 16:14 UTC: Welcome back ATI Rage, as the AMD Rage Mode.
Update 16:15 UTC: When paired with Ryzen, you get a gaming performance boost, 13% perf increase.

Update 16:15 UTC: AMD introduces its take on the NVIDIA Reflex, announcing latest Radeon Lag and Radeon Boost. No special API needed.
Update 16:16 UTC: Full DX12 Ultimate support, including ray-tracing. Woirking on a DLSS-rival.
Update 16:18 UTC: AMD is leveraging studios working on Xbox Series X / PS5 devs to integrate its Radeon features on the PC.

Update 16:18 UTC: FarCry 6, DiRT 5, WoW Shadowlands (which gets raytracing), RiftBreaker, are AMD-optimized.

Update 16:21 UTC: Available Nov 18, starts, $649

Update 16:21 UTC: Also announcing RX 6800 : faster than RTX 2080 Ti, 4K + raytracing ready
Update 16:22 UTC: $579, November 18 availability for the RX 6800.

Update 16:22 UTC: Lisa gets ready for a "one more thing"

Update 16:23 UTC: Radeon RX 6900 XT: 80 CUs, 65% perf/Watt over 5700 XT.
Update 16:25 UTC: RTX 3090 BEATEN!!!!
Update 16:26 UTC: December 8 for the RX 6900 XT, priced $999.
Update 16:26 UTC: OOF, we cannot wait to test these cards out!

Update 17:08 UTC: The press-release can be found here.

Update 17:19 UTC: The complete AMD slide deck follows.
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351 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" RDNA2 Graphics Card Launch Liveblog

#151
AsRock
TPU addict
MxPhenom 216
Show us Ray tracing performance for fuck sakes.



I'm aware. Wasn't expecting it that high for 6800XT. Thought the 6900XT would be around there.

Also that Godfall game is going to be good.

No one cares about Far Cry 6!
Fuck Ray Tracing

And as for FC6 you speak for your self.
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#152
BoboOOZ
RH92
??? Could you elaborate ...
MSRP is just theoretical, what matters is the actual price at retailers. Like right now, the MSRP for the 3080 is quite decent at 700usd, but can you actually buy one at the MSRP? No.

Example : I bought my 5700XT for 50 USD < MSRP with 2 games. The only Nvidia card that I could buy for the price was a 2060 at 100USD over MSRP. This is a permanent situation in France, MSRP is simply a theoretical figure.
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#153
TheLostSwede
Turmania
I would like to see a conparison with 6900xt and 6800xt
Is that when you only compare the cons?
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#154
EarthDog
For the dupe thread..................

My questions...

What are the results not using "best API"? What is it like when the cards go H2H in DX11? DX12? Not one using DX11, the other 12.

What is the RT performance like. Not a peep...

Also, these results appear to be, as usual, the absolute best case for these cards (normal, of course). They are overclocking them and using the infinity cache. This is against stock Nvidia cards. ICache, while awesome, is only with AMD based systems. With that, is it a BIOS update that enables the option in the BIOS?

What systems can IC work in? Is it CPU dependent or chipset? Will it work on B450 with a 1 series? 2 series? etc?
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#155
Khonjel
sepheronx
Agreed. Prices are getting to be ridiculous. While these prices are pretty decent, but they are still just overall very pricy for average person. So a more mid range GPU is very ideal.
Now that you mention it I think AMD might decrease price of RX 6800 after all. Maybe $520 or near that range. And slot in RTX 3070 Ti competitor.

But I'm still being optimistic here. What will they name it? My guess is AMD wants to avoid 6800X name cause it might cause confusion with ZEN 5 Ryzen 6800X (AMD's own doing. Who gave them the grand idea to skip from RX 500 to RX 5000?). And how will they even price it?

By my guess AMD wants RX 6800XT and 6900XT on people's builds (pricing them lower than competition), for a halo effect if you will, while not very interested in 6800 or wants more profit from it since it'll inevitably sell more units. Maybe turning off 20 CU is just not profitable. Or maybe my extra profit hypothesis is correct. People will pay a bit more for more performance anyway a la RX 5700 XT vs RTX 2070 and 2070 Super, ofc I'm not considering AMD driver woes or Nvidia fans who'll always buy Nvidia.
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#156
kapone32
EarthDog
For the dupe thread..................

My questions...

What are the results not using "best API"? What is it like when the cards go H2H in DX11? DX12? Not one using DX11, the other 12.

What is the RT performance like. Not a peep...

Also, these results appear to be, as usual, the absolute best case for these cards (normal, of course). They are overclocking them and using the infinity cache. This is against stock Nvidia cards. ICache, while awesome, is only with AMD based systems. With that, is it a BIOS update that enables the option in the BIOS?

What systems can IC work in? Is it CPU dependent or chipset? Will it work on B450 with a 1 series? 2 series? etc?
I am going to be selfish and say that none of these things matter. The most important thing is they are all faster than the 5700XT
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#157
Chomiq

AMD said that Rage mode is suppose to give you 1-2% boost due to increased power limit. The rest is due to their SAM.

How much is attributed to "Infinity Cache" in this scenario? Does the base result for RX 6800 XT include the benefits from Infinity Cache (I'm assuming this since it's suppose to be tested on a 5900X). If so, what's the base result for a non 5000-series CPU?

This is important because suddenly that price difference between an RTX and an RX might be covered by the additional expense on an upgrade to a 5000-series CPU.
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#158
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
EarthDog
For the dupe thread..................

My questions...

What are the results not using "best API"? What is it like when the cards go H2H in DX11? DX12? Not one using DX11, the other 12.

What is the RT performance like. Not a peep...

Also, these results appear to be, as usual, the absolute best case for these cards (normal, of course). They are overclocking them and using the infinity cache. This is against stock Nvidia cards. ICache, while awesome, is only with AMD based systems. With that, is it a BIOS update that enables the option in the BIOS?

What systems can IC work in? Is it CPU dependent or chipset? Will it work on B450 with a 1 series? 2 series? etc?
I think the Infinity Cache is that built-in 128 MB that they mention on their slides. I hope its system agnostic though and doesn't rely on having an AMD motherboard and Zen 3 CPU.
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#159
mahirzukic2
EarthDog
For the dupe thread..................

My questions...

What are the results not using "best API"? What is it like when the cards go H2H in DX11? DX12? Not one using DX11, the other 12.

What is the RT performance like. Not a peep...

Also, these results appear to be, as usual, the absolute best case for these cards (normal, of course). They are overclocking them and using the infinity cache. This is against stock Nvidia cards. ICache, while awesome, is only with AMD based systems. With that, is it a BIOS update that enables the option in the BIOS?

What systems can IC work in? Is it CPU dependent or chipset? Will it work on B450 with a 1 series? 2 series? etc?
Well in that case, wait for the actual reviews which should come in about 2 - 3 weeks from now.
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#160
Khonjel
randompeep
Fo_real...if smartphone market shown how it's done, why they'd bother releasing low-end products, heh ?
Yet I'm sitting out there waiting for a 60$ RX 4/570 or a GTX 970...to call it a deal for older games (5-10 years) in 4k
It's funny now you mention smartphone market. Phone makers even Apple are making phones in ye olden days' $700 flagship prices again. Ofc they don't call it flagship but it's 90% flagship anyway.
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#161
r9
I'm gonna quote Gordon Ramsey FUCK ME! I've never been so happy being wrong!
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#163
EarthDog
kapone32
I am going to be selfish and say that none of these things matter. The most important thing is they are all faster than the 5700XT
lol, your bar was low if beating the 5700XT makes you happy, lol.

On a more serious note, those question are all quite valid.
Chomiq

AMD said that Rage mode is suppose to give you 1-2% boost due to increased power limit. The rest is due to their SAM.

How much is attributed to "Infinity Cache" in this scenario? Does the base result for RX 6800 XT include the benefits from Infinity Cache (I'm assuming this since it's suppose to be tested on a 5900X). If so, what's the base result for a non 5000-series CPU?
Yep, I saw the same thing. You only get this 'significant' uptick when you have an AMD based system...

... but what, EXACTLY is that? Do I have to have a specific generation of CPU? Chipset? What about how these will fare on the MAJORITY of systems out there (intel based) that DO NOT get these boosts? Feels a bit misleading...(but par for the course from AMD/NV).
mahirzukic2
Well in that case, wait for the actual reviews which should come in about 2 - 3 weeks from now.
In other news, water is wet. :p
Cheeseball
I think the Infinity Cache is that built-in 128 MB that they mention on their slides. I hope its system agnostic though and doesn't rely on having an AMD motherboard and Zen 3 CPU.
uhhh, that is exactly what it is....I'm looking for the specific DETAILS. :)
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#164
TheLostSwede
okbuddy
plus only 3 video ports, 3080 got five
You can only use four simultaneously though.
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#165
BoboOOZ
Oh yeah, and since we're all talking about the new stuff, the Infinity Cache will be awesome for APU's. can't wait to see what RDNA2 APU's are going to look like.
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#166
mahirzukic2
Cheeseball
I think the Infinity Cache is that built-in 128 MB that they mention on their slides. I hope its system agnostic though and doesn't rely on having an AMD motherboard and Zen 3 CPU.
I would pretty much think that's the way it is, because it would be horrible value if it would be pair with any other platform other than Zen 3, which would force them to put up lower MSRP than they currently have.

So I think it's safe to assume it is system agnostic and it just works like any other HW:
  1. you get HW, install it in the system
  2. you install drivers in your OS
  3. ????
  4. profit
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#167
saikamaldoss
Khonjel
RX6800 is 60CU > RTX 3070

RX 6800 XT is 72CU ≈ RTX 3080

RX 6900 XT is 80CU ≈ RTX 3090

Aside from so many Rs and Xs I had to type (geez!) I hope AMD has a backup for the rumored 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti. Though that's just my inner-AMDiot hoping. As a consumer, where my under $500 cards at? :banghead: :cry:
Easy-Peasy Chinesy... RX6700 with 54CU or 50CU if not will do a price cut on 6800 lol ha ha ha
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#168
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
TheLostSwede
You can only use four simultaneously though.
The RTX 3080 only has four (by default). Which vendor had the one with five ports?
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#169
lynx29
r9
I'm gonna quote Gordon Ramsey FUCK ME! I've never been so happy being wrong!
I see the unbelievers are finally arriving. Useless vermin.
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#170
Turmania
AMD pulled a great trick here to try to lure their Ryzen user base to Radeon.
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#171
r9
That 6800 kind of pricey at $579.
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#172
lynx29
r9
That 6800 kind of pricey at $579.
double the vram for an extra 79 bucks is a fair deal imo.
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#173
r9
lynx29
I see the unbelievers are finally arriving. Useless vermin.
I'm too happy at the moment so I'm not gonna even get offended. Lol
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#174
TheLostSwede
Durvelle27
Now I have to debate between getting a RX 6800 XT or RX 6900 XT
Sounds like a nice dilemma to have.
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#175
BoboOOZ
mahirzukic2
I would pretty much think that's the way it is, because it would be horrible value if it would be pair with any other platform other than Zen 3, which would force them to put up lower MSRP than they currently have.

So I think it's safe to assume it is system agnostic and it just works like any other HW:
  1. you get HW, install it in the system
  2. you install drivers in your OS
  3. ????
  4. profit

Yepp, it's just a GPU cache similar to other caches, it's just they must've done something to improve the size/latency ratio, similar to zen 3. But it's just like the CPU cache works, irrespective of the rest of the system, so does the GPU cache.
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