Wednesday, October 28th 2020

AMD Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" RDNA2 Graphics Card Launch Liveblog

After thoroughly appetizing us with its "Where Gaming Begins: Episode 1" event announcing the Ryzen 5000 series "Zen 3" processors that offer up to 19% IPC gains, in the second Episode, we see the company announcing its next-generation Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" graphics cards based on the RDNA2 graphics architecture that introduce full DirectX 12 Ultimate readiness, including real-time raytracing hardware. In the run up to the RX 6000, NVIDIA is already reportedly preparing product-stack updates. In this liveblog, we uncover what has NVIDIA riled up, and whether AMD can pull off better pricing and availbility than the RTX 30-series.

Update 15:59 UTC: It is time! Welcome to the Radeon RX 6000 Series live blog.
Update 16:01 UTC: AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su takes centerstage, fresh off a good quarterly results announcement, and that big Xilinx acquisition announcement.
Update 16:03 UTC: FarCry 6 seems like an AMD optimized title.

Update 16:03 UTC: Possibly the flagship product.
Update 16:04 UTC: AMD is where gaming begins because next-gen consoles trust it. - Dr Su

Update 16:05 UTC: 50% generational improvement in perf/W.
Update 16:06 UTC: 26.7 billion transistors, almost as big as GA102
Update 16:07 UTC: RDNA2 has a breakthrough high-speed design.
Update 16:08 UTC: AMD RDNA2 compute unit 30% more energy efficient.
Update 16:09 UTC: InfinityCache works to significantly improve memory bandwidth, based on the Zen L3 cache. More than 2.17x bandwidth gain despite 256-bit.
Update 16:10 UTC: 30% higher frequencies on the same 7 nm node.
Update 16:10 UTC: DirectX 12 Ultimate and DirectStorage support.
Update 16:11 UTC: Over 2X performance gain over RX 5700 XT.
Update 16:11 UTC: The RX 6800 XT!
Update 16:12 UTC: 4K Gaming from AMD is here! Matches RTX 3080!!!
Update 16:13 UTC: Hello competition!
Update 16:14 UTC: Welcome back ATI Rage, as the AMD Rage Mode.
Update 16:15 UTC: When paired with Ryzen, you get a gaming performance boost, 13% perf increase.

Update 16:15 UTC: AMD introduces its take on the NVIDIA Reflex, announcing latest Radeon Lag and Radeon Boost. No special API needed.
Update 16:16 UTC: Full DX12 Ultimate support, including ray-tracing. Woirking on a DLSS-rival.
Update 16:18 UTC: AMD is leveraging studios working on Xbox Series X / PS5 devs to integrate its Radeon features on the PC.

Update 16:18 UTC: FarCry 6, DiRT 5, WoW Shadowlands (which gets raytracing), RiftBreaker, are AMD-optimized.

Update 16:21 UTC: Available Nov 18, starts, $649

Update 16:21 UTC: Also announcing RX 6800 : faster than RTX 2080 Ti, 4K + raytracing ready
Update 16:22 UTC: $579, November 18 availability for the RX 6800.

Update 16:22 UTC: Lisa gets ready for a "one more thing"

Update 16:23 UTC: Radeon RX 6900 XT: 80 CUs, 65% perf/Watt over 5700 XT.
Update 16:25 UTC: RTX 3090 BEATEN!!!!
Update 16:26 UTC: December 8 for the RX 6900 XT, priced $999.
Update 16:26 UTC: OOF, we cannot wait to test these cards out!

Update 17:08 UTC: The press-release can be found here.

Update 17:19 UTC: The complete AMD slide deck follows.
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351 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 6000 "Big Navi" RDNA2 Graphics Card Launch Liveblog

#126
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
pavl3
HD 7870 has 1280 shaders by the way...

And there I thought my HD 6950 would be better than the new Hoseron 6900 XT. :)
Yeah this is why I mentioned HD 7870 XT, which is a cut down HD 7950 and -1 GB of VRAM. :) Look up the HD 7870 XT JokerCard by Club3D and you'll know what I mean.

EDIT: Here ya go. Mine specifically was the PowerColor PCS+ HD 7870 MYST Edition.
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#127
DuxCro
kapone32
Does it matter?
Eeeeer.....YES. Ofc it matters. Is the card on par with RTX 3090 out of the box, or do i need to activate RAGE mode (overclock it) and pair it with ZEN3 CPU and activate that mode in BIOS for the card to compete with RTX 3090. Yes, it matters.
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#128
Khonjel
RX 6800 is 60CU > RTX 3070

RX 6800 XT is 72CU ≈ RTX 3080

RX 6900 XT is 80CU ≈ RTX 3090

Aside from so many Rs and Xs I had to type (geez!) I hope AMD has a backup for the rumored 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti. Though that's just my inner-AMDiot hoping. As a consumer, where my under $500 cards at? :banghead: :cry:
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#129
pavl3
Oh of course... must have slipped my mind. :)
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#130
sepheronx
Khonjel
RX 6800 is 60CU > RTX 3070

RX 6800 XT is 72CU ≈ RTX 3080

RX 6900 XT is 80CU ≈ RTX 3090

Aside from so many Rs and Xs I had to type (geez!) I hope AMD has a backup for the rumored 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti. Though that's just my inner-AMDiot hoping. As a consumer, where my under $500 cards at? :banghead: :cry:
Agreed. Prices are getting to be ridiculous. While these prices are pretty decent, but they are still just overall very pricy for average person. So a more mid range GPU is very ideal.
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#131
Chomiq
If they actually deliver 6800 XT at the €649 (pricing was in USD, so I'm spitballing a 1:1 conversion which includes VAT) price point that will match the 3080 in most games - I'm all in.

Why?

Because $700 3080 becomes a €800+ 3080 (and that's if you can buy one) in EU. Simple as that.
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#133
EarthDog
My questions...

What are the results not using "best API"? What is it like when the cards go H2H in DX11? DX12? Not one using DX11, the other 12.

What is the RT performance like. Not a peep...

Also, these results appear to be, as usual, the absolute best case for these cards(to be fair, they both do this). They are overclocking them and using the infinity cache against stock Nvidia cards. ICache, while awesome, is only with AMD based systems. With that, is it a BIOS update that enables the option in the BIOS?
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#134
phill
Outstanding from AMD... Can't wait to be given the choice!! :D :D
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#135
P4-630
Quicks
Will be skipping this gen as well. Maybe just skip PC gaming altogether getting very expensive...
You can always get a console.
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#136
R0H1T
lynx29
i already have the msi x570 tomahawk, and my ram should oc to the new infinity fbric max limit 1:1 of 4000 cas 16 since i have b-die.

im only waiting on cpu and gpu to come in stock to finish my build. already have the PC built.
Infinity fabric, infinity cache, admit it how many of you thought of this!
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#137
Legacy-ZA
MxPhenom 216
Jesus your signature is an eye sore
So is your comment, the Lord is sad.
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#138
R0H1T
EarthDog
My questions...

What are the results not using "best API"? What is it like when the cards go H2H in DX11? DX12? Not one using DX11, the other 12.

What is the RT performance like. Not a peep...

Also, these results appear to be, as usual, the absolute best case for these cards. They are overclocking them and using the infinity cache. This is
against stock Nvidia cards. ICache, while awesome, is only with AMD based systems. With that, is it a BIOS update that enables the option in the BIOS?
The 6900XT is at best a 3080Ti or Super competitor, the pricing kinda reflects that & for 99% of the market that's about enough.
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#139
BoboOOZ
dragontamer5788
Its called decoy pricing.

6900 XT is the decoy, it exists primarily to make the 6800 XT look better.
Well, if you compare it to the 3090 it's dirt cheap, it consumes less and it probably has quite a lot of overclocking headroom.

Also, everybody looks at the MSRP, in my experience MSRP is worthless, wait to see the actual availabilty and street prices.
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#140
DuxCro
Can't wait to see how these thingies clock under water. Not by me ofc. I'm a poor bastardo. But still...curious.
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#141
nguyen
EarthDog
My questions...

What are the results not using "best API"? What is it like when the cards go H2H in DX11? DX12? Not one using DX11, the other 12.

What is the RT performance like. Not a peep...

Also, these results appear to be, as usual, the absolute best case for these cards. They are overclocking them and using the infinity cache. This is
against stock Nvidia cards. ICache, while awesome, is only with AMD based systems. With that, is it a BIOS update that enables the option in the BIOS?
Asking all the important questions :toast:.

Well let just hope AMD can alleviate the situtation with Nvidia Ampere stock problem, I'm sure as heck AMD won't be taking back any market share with this pricing scheme though, too expensive even when rasterization might be all people care about.
B-Real
What did you expect?

6800XT: 3080 performance, $50 less, less power consumption, +6 GB VRAM
6900XT: 3090 performance, $500 less, less power consumption, -8 GB VRAM
I would be more worry about the 128mb infinity cache running out, causing micro stutter rather than the 10GB GDDR6X running out :roll:.
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#142
RH92
The nagative side of this presentation is that AMD gave no numbers what so ever about Raytracing and DLSS ( their equivalent ) performance . Now i don't know about you guys but i buy next gen GPU for next gen features so considering both AMD and NVIDIA seem to be equal on rasterization the fact that AMD showed no numbers for next gen features isn't a good selling argument . More likely than not they are far behind NVIDIA on these fields so yeah.

Also mid tier 6800 , being 80 dollars more expensive than 3070 , sure more performant aswell ( not sure if the perf diff worths the price diff ) but at 580$ im afraid AMD customers who were looking for competitive mid tier pricing are going to be very disapointed . One thing is for sure the days AMD was competing on price are gone !
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#143
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
DuxCro
Can't wait to see how these thingies clock under water. Not by me ofc. I'm a poor bastardo. But still...curious.
I'll let you know :rockout:
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#145
BoboOOZ
RH92
Also mid tier 6800 , being 80 dollars more expensive than 3070 , sure more performant aswell ( not sure if the perf diff worths the price diff ) but at 580$ im afraid AMD customers who were looking for competitive mid tier pricing are going to be very disapointed . One thing is for sure the days AMD was competing on price are gone !
Two words: street price
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#146
windwhirl
BoboOOZ
Also, everybody looks at the MSRP, in my experience MSRP is worthless, wait to see the actual availabilty and street prices.
Goes double for me, I live in a different dimension regarding pricing and availability lol
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#147
lynx29
RH92
The nagative side of this presentation is that AMD gave no numbers what so ever about Raytracing and DLSS ( their equivalent ) performance . Now i don't know about you guys but i buy next gen GPU for next gen features so considering both AMD and NVIDIA seem to be equal on rasterization the fact that AMD showed no numbers for next gen features isn't a good selling argument . More likely than not they are far behind NVIDIA on these fields so yeah.

Also mid tier 6800 , being 80 dollars more expensive than 3070 , sure more performant aswell ( not sure if the perf diff worths the price diff ) but at 580$ im afraid AMD customers who were looking for competitive mid tier pricing are going to be very disapointed . One thing is for sure the days AMD was competing on price are gone !
i could care less about ray tracing. doesn't impress me at all in the games I have seen it in. i would rather turn it off and gain an extra 30-50 frames for the smoothness of high refresh gaming.
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#148
RH92
BoboOOZ
Two words: street price
??? Could you elaborate ...
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#149
randompeep
Khonjel
RX 6800 is 60CU > RTX 3070

RX 6800 XT is 72CU ≈ RTX 3080

RX 6900 XT is 80CU ≈ RTX 3090

Aside from so many Rs and Xs I had to type (geez!) I hope AMD has a backup for the rumored 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti. Though that's just my inner-AMDiot hoping. As a consumer, where my under $500 cards at? :banghead: :cry:
Fo_real...if smartphone market shown how it's done, why they'd bother releasing low-end products, heh ?
Yet I'm sitting out there waiting for a 60$ RX 4/570 or a GTX 970...to call it a deal for older games (5-10 years) in 4k
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#150
lynx29
the real winner of the day is the vram... so much more headroom than Nvidia's lineup. very nice.
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