Tuesday, November 11th 2025

AMD Confirms Zen 6 (2 nm) and Zen 7 with Efficiency Upgrades and New AI Features

AMD has updated its CPU core roadmap confirming Zen 6 and Zen 7 architectures as the next steps for its Ryzen and EPYC product families. The new roadmap was shown during the company's Financial Analyst Day 2025. Zen 6 will launch next year and is built using TSMC's 2 nm process node. The lineup will include both Zen 6 and Zen 6C variants, optimized respectively for high performance and power efficiency. According to AMD CTO Mark Papermaster, Zen 6 will bring higher IPC, improved efficiency and expanded AI data type support with additional AI pipelines. We recently detailed here the first Zen 6 ISA changes, which introduce several new instruction sets and expanded compute capabilities. The architecture will appear across multiple platforms, including EPYC "Venice," Ryzen Desktop "Olympic Ridge," and Ryzen Mobile "Medusa Point."

For the first time, AMD has also confirmed Zen 7, listed on the roadmap as a "Future Node" and "Next-Generation" design. Zen 7 will introduce a new matrix engine and broaden AI data format handling, marking a shift toward deeper AI integration within standard CPU cores. AMD has not disclosed the specific process node or launch window, though the architecture is expected to follow Zen 6 around 2027 in next-generation EPYC "Verano" processors. No other details about Zen 7 were shared, so we have to wait for specific things like cache layout, core counts, and power targets.
Source: AMD Investor Relations
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83 Comments on AMD Confirms Zen 6 (2 nm) and Zen 7 with Efficiency Upgrades and New AI Features

#26
irisChronomia
ZoneDymoI hate hate HATE this ai crap focus...
I can see (and somewhat agree with) your point, but advances in machine learning tend to benefit gaming users as well. Think of ML-based upscaling running on matrix accelerators - DLSS/FSR4/whatever may not have been developed to this extent this fast, had we not have these ML-optimized hardware in our gpus.

Recall how FSR4 runs significantly worse using int8 on older RDNAs (2/3).
Cheers. :)
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#27
mkppo
TomorrowIt was leaked months ago by the name that shall not be named. AMD essentially confirmed it when they unveiled that EPYC was going 2nm.
Since chiplets are shared between client and enterprise it's not difficult to discern that client Zen 6 will also be on 2nm.

If AMD created a separate 3nm chiplet design specifically for Zen 6 then it would undermine the whole point of chiplets.
This is a 2H 2026-1H 2027 product. I dont know why it's so hard to believe it's small chiplets will be on 2nm?
AMD confirmed that EPYC is going 2nm, but didn't specify which version gets it. Their current EPYC lineup have both versions, Zen 5 CCD's on 4nm and Zen 5c CCD's on 3nm. I believe they will do the same for Zen 6/6c, only a step down for both to 3nm/2nm.

Someone was asking me for a source, there isn't one. I'm just basing it off of what I think based on a two hour podcast a good while ago between Ian and George (chipsandcheese) where they were discussing Turin. It makes sense for AMD to go the split route and let the c cores use a smaller node coupled with denser libraries. But who knows, I could be wrong and AMD might decide to fab both Zen 6 and Zen 6c using the same node but different variants of it.
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#28
AusWolf
ZoneDymoI hate hate HATE this ai crap focus...
I do too, but... there is a big but... if we see more and more integration of AI into CPUs, in wondering if that will divert the AI focus away from GPUs, leading to normalisation in GPU power consumption and price.

I'm also wondering whether rumours of Zen 6 having 12 cores per CCD are true. If so, I might have to break my promise not to upgrade on my current platform, and get one last push out of my AM5 system.
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#29
Jtuck9
AusWolfI do too, but... there is a big but... if we see more and more integration of AI into CPUs, in wondering if that will divert the AI focus away from GPUs, leading to normalisation in GPU power consumption and price.

I'm also wondering whether rumours of Zen 6 having 12 cores per CCD are true. If so, I might have to break my promise not to upgrade on my current platform, and get one last push out of my AM5 system.
What does a GPU net you over an APU? Perhaps we'll be able to infer away the majority of penalty costs using neural rendering...



It sounds to me like you'll start seeing just how personal the personal computer can really get

www.techpowerup.com/342753/windows-11-26h1-focuses-on-new-silicon-support-not-new-features

www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/windows-president-confirms-os-will-become-ai-agentic-generates-push-back-online

Ezra Klein Interviews Annie Murphy Paul:
www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-annie-murphy-paul.html

www.vox.com/the-gray-area/2023/9/26/23884046/naomi-klein-doppelganger-the-gray-area
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#30
Tomorrow
mkppoAMD confirmed that EPYC is going 2nm, but didn't specify which version gets it. Their current EPYC lineup have both versions, Zen 5 CCD's on 4nm and Zen 5c CCD's on 3nm. I believe they will do the same for Zen 6/6c, only a step down for both to 3nm/2nm.

Someone was asking me for a source, there isn't one. I'm just basing it off of what I think based on a two hour podcast a good while ago between Ian and George (chipsandcheese) where they were discussing Turin. It makes sense for AMD to go the split route and let the c cores use a smaller node coupled with denser libraries. But who knows, I could be wrong and AMD might decide to fab both Zen 6 and Zen 6c using the same node but different variants of it.
Even if that's the case it's doubtful that it will affect at least client desktop models as none of these use the c cores currently.
Unless they change that with Zen 6, but i doubt it. Mobile variants may get c cores tho.
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#31
TumbleGeorge
Darmok N JaladI think AMD mentioned in the past that they’ve paid to reserve space on the latest nodes. Probably some sort of multi-year deal, with perhaps even some engineering partnerships? They’d have to have something solid locked up in order to get the design wins and such.
Yes, in 2022.For "3"&"2"nm. Is possible also for lower nodes.
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#32
mb194dc
ZoneDymoI hate hate HATE this ai crap focus...
It's deranged. ML based local applications can have some use. Mainly "AI" being mentioned because its associated with their stock price.

It hasn't mattered thats its not really "AI" in any meaningful sense or that the buzzword isn't even associated with a useful product. Maybe that will change though eventually.
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#33
TumbleGeorge
mb194dcIt's deranged. ML based local applications can have some use.
Potential for useful ≠ mandatory or even necessary. A huge part of using computers for home needs is easy to learn and easy to use and it's not fun to roll some little LLM on our computer to replace clicking on an active area or button on the screen to perform an action. Also, I think it's stupid to say a whole sentence, or several sentences, to some voice assistant to click somewhere when it would take less time and effort to click with the left mouse button on wireless controller button ourselves. It may only be useful for very limited use cases, like Stephen Hawking's (R.I.P)
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#34
AusWolf
mb194dcIt's deranged. ML based local applications can have some use. Mainly "AI" being mentioned because its associated with their stock price.
That's it - it's all about the stock price. That's how AI is so valuable to these companies. They keep buying each other's socks and investing in other AI companies like there's no tomorrow. It's not about the product that still has questionable benefits 8 years after it's been introduced to the consumer market. We're being misled to believe that we matter, that our choice matters. It does not.
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#35
TumbleGeorge
AusWolfWe're being misled to believe that we matter, that our choice matters. It does not.
Why do you give up so easily? There are many legitimate ways to influence corporations and cause them to change their priorities.
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#36
AusWolf
TumbleGeorgeWhy do you give up so easily? There are many legitimate ways to influence corporations and cause them to change their priorities.
Unless you trade in stocks like they do, there is not.
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#37
irisChronomia
AusWolfThat's it - it's all about the stock price. That's how AI is so valuable to these companies. They keep buying each other's socks and investing in other AI companies like there's no tomorrow. It's not about the product that still has questionable benefits 8 years after it's been introduced to the consumer market. We're being misled to believe that we matter, that our choice matters. It does not.
I agree that ML has questionable benefit to general users, but looking at upscaled videogames I don't think it's that useless.

Our choices still matter somewhat, because otherwise RDNA wouldn't exist and there'd be just GCN (and as Chester Lam notes, CDNA2's CU design still resembles that of the GCN's). RDNA with its greater emphasis on render frontend is specifically designed to better saturate render pipelines, a non-issue in HPC scenarios.

Yes, I know the merging-into-UDNA thing. I'm just saying that there wouldn't have anything to merge with, had our voice truly doesn't matter.
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#38
AusWolf
irisChronomiaI agree that ML has questionable benefit to general users, but looking at upscaled videogames I don't think it's that useless.
If game developers took the effort to properly optimise, we would never need upscaling to begin with.
irisChronomiaOur choices still matter somewhat, because otherwise RDNA wouldn't exist and there'd be just GCN (and as Chester Lam notes, CDNA2's CU design still resembles that of the GCN's). RDNA with its greater emphasis on render frontend is specifically designed to better saturate render pipelines, a non-issue in HPC scenarios.

Yes, I know the merging-into-UDNA thing. I'm just saying that there wouldn't have anything to merge with, had our voice truly doesn't matter.
I didn't say nobody makes gaming GPUs anymore. Of course they do. What I meant is, your choice of GeForce, Radeon, or Intel Arc is pocket money for these companies. Their main bread and butter lies in datacentre and stocks & shares. Nvidia, for example, is more of an investment firm than anything else these days.
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#39
kondamin
Visible NoiseSo you agree it’s a solved problem.
Online speech to text is good, offline it’s still an unusable mess.
So no I do not agree
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#40
irisChronomia
AusWolfIf game developers took the effort to properly optimise, we would never need upscaling to begin with.


I didn't say nobody makes gaming GPUs anymore. Of course they do. What I meant is, your choice of GeForce, Radeon, or Intel Arc is pocket money for these companies. Their main bread and butter lies in datacentre and stocks & shares. Nvidia, for example, is more of an investment firm than anything else these days.
I'm saying a company is still pouring money into a µarch designed solely for gaming and nothing else, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

Yes, we should all ask for better optimizations. Maybe halting the advances in GPU processing power would force them to do so.
Why optimize when you can wait for the next gen hardware to deliver double the performance?
Just look at Ubisoft with their outstanding* (relatively speaking**) performance optimizations, and they almost went bust a few months ago***.

*Referencing Massive's Snowdrop and Ubisoft's own AnvilNext engines, but even their retired Dunia 2 (Far Cry 6) has extremely efficient vegatation/shadowing/reflection renderers when placed against e.g., CDPR's 2077.
**id Tech 6 (DOOM'16) demolishes all of the above into ashes and atoms, although it's not designed to render a open world game.
***Speaking of storiy lines and game-designs that taste like something out of the assembly line, I struggle to comprehend how EA is doing the same thing as Ubisoft but still earning (massive amounts of) money with their BF2042 / NBA-2Kth-Ctrl-C-and-V stuff.
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#41
mb194dc
AusWolfThat's it - it's all about the stock price. That's how AI is so valuable to these companies. They keep buying each other's socks and investing in other AI companies like there's no tomorrow. It's not about the product that still has questionable benefits 8 years after it's been introduced to the consumer market. We're being misled to believe that we matter, that our choice matters. It does not.
They will actually need revenue from their investments, eventually.

AMD arn't the ones building all the infrastructure out of course. They're just bandwagon jumpers.

Some product in the real world has to ultimately pay for the trillions spent on hardware. Not to mention the construction and electricity.

If it all goes pear shaped, likely we stop seeing AMD chucking the word "AI" in to their press releases. They might even focus on features real world users actually want and need.
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#42
scottsoapbox
Visible NoiseSo you agree it’s a solved problem.
No. I don’t agree.
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#43
phil995511
I don't want a processor with built-in AI either.

I don't want a PC with AI at all !!
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#44
irisChronomia
phil995511I don't want a processor with built-in AI either.

I don't want a PC with AI at all !!
It's your PC, you can choose to not install machine learning stuff on it, probably by going Linux / Windows-with-AtlasOS-mod. The matrix multiplication unit likely won't churn off that much die area from your CPU core*, either.

And depending on how we define ML/AI, machine-learning based solutions can be traced really really far back. iPhone 6s' raise-to-wake utilize ML to some degree, and the branch predictor in your CPU cores have been using neural networks for probably a decade.

*Speaking of units inside CPU cores that does nothing for many users, AVX-512 and AES are probably redundant; and the 40% die area dedicated to Skylake's iGPU for a supposedly performance-tier i7-6700K CPU is probably the least thing a gamer would need.
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#45
TumbleGeorge
phil995511I don't want a processor with built-in AI either.

I don't want a PC with AI at all !!
Microsoft even Linux distros sooner or later, they will force you to. Of course, Linux will delay more than Microsoft, but eventually they will follow, because anyway, at some point all newly manufactured hardware will have "AI" logic included, and old hardware will eventually break down beyond repair.
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#46
irisChronomia
TumbleGeorgeMicrosoft even Linux distros sooner or later, they will force you to. Of course, Linux will delay more than Microsoft, but eventually they will follow, because anyway, at some point all newly manufactured hardware will have "AI" logic included, and old hardware will eventually break down beyond repair.
I don't think linux is a monolithic giant that forces all of its distros to adopt to the mastermind's (if there is one at all) decisions.
Neither do I think people would want, or have the time to, integrate anything that resembles ML into the linux kernel.

It's not like linux kernel is actually using AVX512 or something; the hardware logic may be there, but the kernel may be agnostic about its presence (or absence).

And at the end of the day, you can always compile the kernel yourself (and maybe post the de-AIed source code on Github if no one else' doing. I imagine there'd be many stars). Mod-and-break-it-till-you-like-it-ism?
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#47
TumbleGeorge
irisChronomiaAnd at the end of the day, you can always compile the kernel yourself
Yes, but I'm not learnt how to. Many peoples which use Linux distro also use it like Windows only with click on GUI and didn't have knowledge and experience with commands and actions like kernel compilation.
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#48
irisChronomia
TumbleGeorgeYes, but I'm not learnt how to. Many peoples which use Linux distro also use it like Windows only with click on GUI and didn't have knowledge and experience with commands and actions like kernel compilation.
You see, the relative ease of compiling a kernel (something devs automate in order to support a specific device with up-to-date patches) allows many others to do it for you.
Afterall, aren't many linux distros the product of geeks customizing linux to their own taste? Some (if not most) of those geeks are bound have the same feeling against AI-bloat as you.
At least Linus Torvalds himself is not going to accept any AI-slop crap into the main repo - recall his scathing criticism against AVX512, afterall.
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#49
qcmadness
mkppoZen 6c is on 2nm, Zen 6 on 3nm. Zen 5c is already on 3nm so they're going a step down for both.

That 6c is going to be a very dense chip in the top spec Turin config.
According to the presentation slide, I expect both Zen 6 and Zen 6c to be from TSMC N2.

Please note how they described Zen 4 and Zen 5.
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#50
bonehead123
ZoneDymoI hate hate HATE this ai crap focus...
Well, if it makes you feel any better, it hates you too, at least that's what the little AI-powered birdie-bot thingy told me yesterday, hahahaha :D
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