AusWolfSo can we at least agree that releasing FSR 4 for RDNA 3 and 2, albeit a bit late, is a good thing? Is one allowed to be just a tiny bit happy about something in these troubled times?

I see it as opportunity for everyone to very happy in the moment. Though there is a bittersweet aspect to it since it this will likely be the last concession those of us on older AMD cards will likely get, and anything further will require a new round of community battle.

Overall, it is the difference between people cheering after a hard fought battle, and people getting total victory in achieving a fundamental and lasting change, where instead of a short cheer, the vibes become more like this :):

Razor512I see it as opportunity for everyone to very happy in the moment. Though there is a bittersweet aspect to it since it this will likely be the last concession those of us on older AMD cards will likely get, and anything further will require a new round of community battle.

Overall, it is the difference between people cheering after a hard fought battle, and people getting total victory in achieving a fundamental and lasting change, where instead of a short cheer, the vibes become more like this :):

By the time AMD comes out with a new feature, chances are, RDNA 2 is going to be already very old. Still, that feature may run on it. Or it may not. Like I said above, new feature not running on old card isn't exactly a new concept. It was pretty much standard in the industry for decades until hardware makers ran out of ideas and room to grow.

Dr. DroHmph. No congratulations from me. This should have released a year ago, for the RX 6000 series as well. Without fanfare, without buts or ifs. Just released in a fully functional state for all of their current GPUs. Nothing more than their obligation at this point.

Former ATi and now AMD thing. Never forget.

RX 6000 at least, interesting. 7000 series isn't "THAT OLD", come on:rolleyes::oops::kookoo:

Razor512Nvidia is an extremely greedy company, but they have the business sense to think about long term success,

Apple, Microsoft, Sony not even talking to it and EVGA (held 40% of the US market) quitting GPU business altogether is a clear sign of it, isn't it?

Razor512Even after the Int8 model leaked they continued refusing to commit to an official release, and instead kept pushing the exclusivity of the features

It is amazing that even after it is clear that older cards simply didn't have the capability to run the 9000 version of FSR, someone finds it appropriate to pull this nonsense.

medi01Apple, Microsoft, Sony not even talking to it and EVGA (held 40% of the US market) quitting GPU business altogether is a clear sign of it, isn't it?




It is amazing that even after it is clear that older cards simply didn't have the capability to run the 9000 version of FSR, someone finds it appropriate to pull this nonsense.

It seems you completely missed the point being made. During the time of that leak, AMD maintained the worst possible PR that essentially sent the message that older cards will not get any official release of even an INT8 version. The refusal to be clear in that area pushed many RX 7000 users to Nvidia, and with then finally releasing it in the 11th hour with max community outrage, while it is a welcome improvement, it still gives the impression that getting feature updates from AMD is like pulling teeth mixed with a lot of public shaming before they begrudgingly add support. This also makes it into likely a one time concession for the community rather than a lasting fundamental change in how long they support older cards with brand exclusive feature updates. The initial communication and their PR behavior after, made it seem that a decision from higher up was made to put a stop to feature updates on older cards, hence their behavior even after the INT8 leak, and it only really changed when it started negatively impacting their business, as well as even the native adoption of their brand exclusive features. All corporations are greedy, but many are able to keep it in check in cases where it will harm their long term success, rather than waiting for damage to happen and then rush and do damage control.

For the greed aspect, it seems that the part that was quoted may have been the only part that was actually read which lead to that response. It is like someone opening an article about new fluid bearing designs for large ships, and quoting just the word "and" then write a response assuming they were talking about the game Jack and Daxter, and then arguing that they are wrong in the article and that the game really didn't make Daxter cute enough and that needs to be fixed in a remake of the game. While a valid and correct take on the game, in the context of such an article, it would seem like a strange or nonsensical response. :)

Beyond that, I understand that many will not want to read a long post, but it also makes no sense to read one or 2 sentences and then use your imagination for the rest in order to attack an imaginary straw man rather than engaging with the substance of the post.

Anyway, simply put, AMD needs to be proactive in supporting older hardware, at least to the extent that the competition is in they want to better compete. From a short term greed and profit standpoint, they may not feel happy about dedicating time and resources to an older product they they have replaced with a new generation, but in a market where companies rely on people purchasing new iterations while the old model is still functional, then each generation is a long extended advertisement for the next generation as well as the brand as a whole. People will base their next upgrade decision based on their experience of the previous generation that they purchased. If the user feels well taken care of for how long they used their existing older card then they would feel confident in buying the latest gen card. If the user feels that they were treated poorly, then their next upgrade will be with a competing brand.