Monday, October 15th 2012

Windows 8 Gets "Overwhelmingly Negative" Response from Vendors, Expectations Plummet

An analyst with Topeka Capital, who was touring Asia, meeting sources among supply chains, brings bad news to Microsoft investors. Analyst Brian White notes that the sentiment (among vendors and parts of the supply chain) about Windows 8 remains "overwhelmingly negative." Expectations from Microsoft's new client operating system plummet, as vendors don't see much activity following the October 26 launch.

"Although October is expected to be the sweet spot for the notebook ramp for Windows 8, and further follow through is likely in November, we were warned of idle facilities in December," notes White. "One of our contacts does not expect Windows 8 to be material until the second-half of 2013," he added. In related news, the industry is also reeling from a disappointing reception from Intel's 2011-12 pet project in the client computing space, Ultrabook. "...the enthusiasm around the Ultrabook ramp has also deteriorated as the cost structure remains too high under Intel's specifications," White notes.Source: Business Insider
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231 Comments on Windows 8 Gets "Overwhelmingly Negative" Response from Vendors, Expectations Plummet

#1
Wile E
Power User
Easy Rhino said:
you don't think a faster OS is a reason to upgrade?
Not if that extra speed is wasted going through the extra steps needed to get to the things I want using a regular mouse and keyboard.

Easy Rhino said:
fine, stick with your older and slower operating system. it took me 5 minutes to find a start menu, install it and have it working. tpuers should be ashamed of themselves for being so backwards.
I shouldn't have to add third party resources for such a basic function.

iLLz said:
For everyone complaining about the lack of Start Menu, I just don't understand what you need it for. Even Microsoft found that noone launched applications from their anymore with the exception of certain things like Control Panel, and Administrative Tasks.

Good new for those that don't know, there is a Right-Click Context Menu at the lower left hand of the screen where the Start Menu used to be.

* Move mouse of lower left hand corner where start menu used to be
* Once the popup graphic appears for the New Start Screen, simply Right Click the mouse
* A context Menu appears with the following options:

Programs and Features
Power Option
Event Viewer
System
Device Manager
Disk Management
Computer Management
Command Prompt
Command Prompt (Administrative Rights)
-------------------------------------------
Task Manager
Control Panel
File Explorer
Search
Run
--------------------------------------------
Desktop


So Microsoft still made everything that was most commonly launched at the start menu and simply put it in a context menu so Power Users can still have quick access to such things. I use it everyday and I rarely ever go into the start screen unless its to log out.
I use it all the time. I don't keep anything on my desktop, and only a couple in my task bar. And I wouldn't complain, but the delay on the pop-up is horrendous in Win 8.

Kantastic said:
Because he's targeting a demographic that prides itself on tweaking things out of the box...? This is a PC enthusiast forum, from the moment our parts arrive, we start thinking about how to milk it for everything it's worth. We replace coolers, we replace thermal compound, we even replace fans on replacement coolers, and we overclock the shit out of everything, from processors to monitors. Yet, after spending hours upon hours doing all of that, you're bashing Windows 8 because it requires 5 minutes to tweak to make faster than Windows 7? Really? :banghead:
I sure am. I am extremely picky about my desktop environment, Windows 8 does not provide what I require. I'm all about change, as long as it makes the way I do things easier. The upgrades to the start menu over the years were always a step in the right direction for me, so I adopted them as they came out. This is not. It just isn't compatible with the way I do things.

TheMailMan78 said:
Someone couldn't find the Right-Click Context Menu.
Sure I did, I just grew old waiting for it to appear.

I'm not saying 8 is a bad OS. I'm saying it's bad for my working style on a desktop. It, however, is great on a touch screen. The minor improvements in performance are not worth it for me on my desktop at this point in time. Now, if they respond to feedback and return the standard desktop/start menu combo, or if somebody starts making capacitive multitouch add ons for existing monitors, I'll make the switch. Until then, I work better with 7.
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#2
Xyvik
UbErN00b said:
I actually see touchscreen for desktop computers taking over traditional mouse and keyboard input methods, I don't think it will be restricted to phones and tablets any longer, even though touch screen monitors have been around for a number of years, no desktop OS has ever provided the UI to be able to utlise touchscreen before now. It is more intuitive than traditional mouse and keyboard inputs and to be honest I am surprised it's taken something like Windows 8 to make it mainstream for desktop computing.

I can tell you one thing, even for desktop computing, touchscreen will become the norm with mouse and keyboard still being used only for legacy applications, gaming etc.
You've obviously never typed for a living. There is no way on Earth that a touchscreen environment can come even halfway to the textile feedback of a keyboard, especially if you go hardcore typing and get a mechanical keyboard that has textile+auditory feedback.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against touchscreens. I enjoy them on certain things. But I have a Droid phone for the keypad. And you know what? I can actually type on that thing, which is what I do for a living.

Until WPM is no longer even considered for any type of job, keyboards will be a viable and important part of the computer experience. (And 90% of the medical profession, one of the largest and fastest growing fields in existence, requires at least a minimum WPM)
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#3
DannibusX
Do you guys remember the time when you could type hella fast and then watch the text catch up on the screen?

Yeah, we're not going back to that.
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#4
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
tacosRcool said:
Oh the Windows 8 hate.... so how many people have iphones?
Way to go off topic.........:rolleyes:

I used to think Windows 8 wasn't bad, but it is pretty shitty on desktop. I won't leave Windows 7 unless im forced too.
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#5
semantics
Back in my day we didn't have fancy UI's it was all text, very efficient all you had to do was type things out no need for a silly mouse, having to buy extra stuff just to work the os, so silly. And everything was clear as day you just needed to type the right things no guess work.
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#6
erixx
yeah, printing a sheet with commands was so exciting before the WYSIWYG times. In fact my first job was for aligning books, searching for code errors in the formating, before wasting moneys printing it ;)
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#7
exodusprime1337
I've already gone to Windows 8 just to keep up with new stuff. I like tweaking and playing with technology. An OS to me is simply a new toy. I was excited for windows 8, the changes are a bit drastic, but then again the OS has had that start menu forever, and plenty of people using other OS's like linux and Mac have had no problem ever having it. One thing i think people miss is that M$ wants to get people to use their OS, and making it uniform with the rest of their products although slow to adopt will most likely win people over. I see the business sector skipping the OS entirely. I've also had hands on experience with Server 2012 and i must say that i'm excited to be using that as well.

I can use a change. Start menu is cool, but all my used icons are on the desktop or in Rocketdock.. The metro interface although cumbersome out of the box, is actually kinda cool to use after some adjusting and what not.
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#8
Goodman
DannibusX said:
Do you guys remember the time when you could type hella fast and then watch the text catch up on the screen?
I do remember :banghead:
although it was funny at first...
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#9
remixedcat
I actually like server 2012.... been pretty good on a 2GB RAM vm so far.

the metro stuff isn't all that bad.... the lack of start menu can be fixed with start 8 or classic shell start menu.
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#10
eidairaman1
semantics said:
Back in my day we didn't have fancy UI's it was all text, very efficient all you had to do was type things out no need for a silly mouse, having to buy extra stuff just to work the os, so silly. And everything was clear as day you just needed to type the right things no guess work.
lol good ol Green Screen, I was of the Win 95+ Gen since about year 98
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#11
saknid
As much I am seeing the Indian Market one of the biggest mobile market and also consumer of MS Products the basic reason of the negative response is the support with the different mobile comp and the app support... (SPECIALLY FOR THE MOBILE DEVICES NOT INCLUDING PC'S)
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#12
FYFI13
PopcornMachine said:
Thought this might be of interest to those that can read.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Microsoft/Windows_8_Graphics_Performance/23.html
^^THIS

rpsgc said:
As opposed to cheering for a tablet OS on the desktop? Yeah that's so hardcore. Look I can haz big colourful squares on my screen! Awesome. Why don't you just buy an iPad?

The only people who should be ashamed are those few who think too highly of themselves and have no respect for other people or their opinion and thus feel the need to belittle, mock and attack them.

Like calling people here "sheeple" and "noobs".

Grow up.
^^And THIS. Nothing else to add, i'm out of here.
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#13
silkstone
I used it and pretty much hated it, i was getting programs crashing quite often and it was more difficult to use. For mouse+keyboard combo i think windows 7 works just fine. Win 8 just doesn't add enough new features to be worthwhile and actually removes one of the most frequently used (the start menu)
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#14
Melvis
MxPhenom 216 said:
I saw this coming from a mile away.
Same, it was pretty obvious :rolleyes:

Why are consumers going to change so early to a new OS when 7 is working perfectly fine? I know most people that just spent a ton on Windows 7 isnt going to just jump to 8 just for the sake of it been "new" Windows 7 works, unlike Vista, so anyione that was on Vista or even XP have jumped to 7 purely because it works.

The only reason ill be building new computers with windows 8 is that if my supplier stops selling me 7 like they did XP and Vista, wont have a choice then...
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#15
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
btarunr said:
MS did something like this, and if it does it again (after Windows 8 launch, and after you've become an early adopter like Mr. Rhino), you'll be stuck with that "push correct square for banana" chimpanzee training program Microsoft calls start screen.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9230024/Microsoft_blocks_Windows_8_Start_button_boot_to_desktop_hacks
i have windows 8 RTM and i have a start menu. that guy is clearly a troll. anyway, i think microsoft knows they need to add classic start menu functionality into windows 8 and will do so at some point in time. the truth is, i don't care when they do it because i am loving windows 8 with a custom start menu.
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#16
scaminatrix
EarthDog said:
LOL... Yeah the 'performance' upgrades are astounding. I should rush out right now and buy it so I can.................wait what did you claim it does again? :confused:


SHeeple, Sheeple... listen a minute... (I just had to use sheeple, sorry! hahah!)
I love the way people are saying "windows 8 is the future you will own it no matter what" as if they lack the ability to put themselves in other peoples shoes.
People are going on as if Windows is free. You know how many years I had to use a dodgy copy before I could actually finally afford genuine? No way am I going through that again. And I'm doubting these "performance increases" are dramatic enough to warrant the £xxx that they will want.
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#17
johnnyfiive
There is so much whining about Windows 8, so much that I'm actually starting to whine... ABOUT the whiners.

lol
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#18
sergionography
Wile E said:
Not if that extra speed is wasted going through the extra steps needed to get to the things I want using a regular mouse and keyboard.



I shouldn't have to add third party resources for such a basic function.

I use it all the time. I don't keep anything on my desktop, and only a couple in my task bar. And I wouldn't complain, but the delay on the pop-up is horrendous in Win 8.



I sure am. I am extremely picky about my desktop environment, Windows 8 does not provide what I require. I'm all about change, as long as it makes the way I do things easier. The upgrades to the start menu over the years were always a step in the right direction for me, so I adopted them as they came out. This is not. It just isn't compatible with the way I do things.



Sure I did, I just grew old waiting for it to appear.

I'm not saying 8 is a bad OS. I'm saying it's bad for my working style on a desktop. It, however, is great on a touch screen. The minor improvements in performance are not worth it for me on my desktop at this point in time. Now, if they respond to feedback and return the standard desktop/start menu combo, or if somebody starts making capacitive multitouch add ons for existing monitors, I'll make the switch. Until then, I work better with 7.
win8 did upgrade the start menu, all the functionalities you had in the start menu are now in the new metro style interphase. whenever you install software it shows up there just like the start menu, and if you right click you have the option to uninstall or go 2 file location and what not. and it sure looks much better than the start menu
once you get used to it you will love it. i had the same complains at first untill it started growing on me. and as a design student i sure appreciate good graphics/design
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#19
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
PopcornMachine said:
Apparently you can't recognize sarcasm without a rolling eyes smilie.

And thought this was a smart forum.
Stupid post. Sarcasm when writing short messeges does not work.

Anyway, blahblahblah.
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#20
PopcornMachine
Frick said:
Stupid post. Sarcasm when writing short messeges does not work.

Anyway, blahblahblah.
Intelligent people get it. Stupid people don't.
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#21
eidairaman1
scaminatrix said:
I love the way people are saying "windows 8 is the future you will own it no matter what" as if they lack the ability to put themselves in other peoples shoes.
People are going on as if Windows is free. You know how many years I had to use a dodgy copy before I could actually finally afford genuine? No way am I going through that again. And I'm doubting these "performance increases" are dramatic enough to warrant the £xxx that they will want.
and i thought beta/rc versions were for user input on everything about it. guess ms disregarded complaints on the GUI

johnnyfiive said:
There is so much whining about Windows 8, so much that I'm actually starting to whine... ABOUT the whiners.

lol
so use linux then with WINE!:p
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#22
Irony
Can I haz some Cheez with that whine?
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#23
Wile E
Power User
Easy Rhino said:
i have windows 8 RTM and i have a start menu. that guy is clearly a troll. anyway, i think microsoft knows they need to add classic start menu functionality into windows 8 and will do so at some point in time. the truth is, i don't care when they do it because i am loving windows 8 with a custom start menu.
You have A Start Menu, not THE Start Menu. Did you read the entire article? He was referring to a specific hack no longer working because MS blocked it, but even went on to say that you can use Start8 instead. How is he a troll?

sergionography said:
win8 did upgrade the start menu, all the functionalities you had in the start menu are now in the new metro style interphase. whenever you install software it shows up there just like the start menu, and if you right click you have the option to uninstall or go 2 file location and what not. and it sure looks much better than the start menu
once you get used to it you will love it. i had the same complains at first untill it started growing on me. and as a design student i sure appreciate good graphics/design
I've had every version since the developer preview (except RTM, because, frankly, I'm not planning to buy it any time soon).

First, I think it looks like shit in a desktop environment. I do not like it at all. But that's a minor point.

Second, it still hampers my work flow, even though I am already used to it. I'm primarily a point and click type of guy (which is why I also like OS X. Espose is a Godsend to guys like me.), and use the scroll wheel to navigate the start menu. The more space something takes, the longer it takes to point and click.

However, add a touch screen to the mix, and the second point is moot. But I don't have a touch screen, and I'm not about to give up my 1920x1200 IPS panel just to have one that's likely going to end up being 1920x1080 Tn-Film but with touch capability. I have priorities, and superior image quality is much higher on the list than touch screen and the latest OS.

I'm not a design guy. Sure, I like things that look nice, but I'm waaaayyyyyy bigger on function than form.

Short version = new version is not an upgrade for me.

Key words here: FOR ME. Note that I didn't say that 8 is a terrible OS. Just that it is not right for me. And for very valid reasons.
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#24
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
Wile E said:
You have A Start Menu, not THE Start Menu. Did you read the entire article? He was referring to a specific hack no longer working because MS blocked it, but even went on to say that you can use Start8 instead. How is he a troll?
windows 8 runs faster than windows 7 and you can install any third party start menu and disable metro to make it act just like windows 7. all of the people complaining are little children who need to go outside and play.
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#25
eidairaman1
Easy Rhino said:
windows 8 runs faster than windows 7 and you can install any third party start menu and disable metro to make it act just like windows 7. all of the people complaining are little children who need to go outside and play.
wow
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