Thursday, November 23rd 2017

ASUS BIOS Change-log Reveals New Ryzen Processors Incoming

ASUS recently released BIOS updates for its socket AM4 motherboards based on AMD X370 and B350 chipsets, which implement AGESA 1.0.0.7, which as you'll recall, paves the way for implementing support for upcoming processors, based on AMD's Vega-infused "Raven Ridge" APU silicon, and the 12 nm refreshed Ryzen "Pinnacle Ridge" silicon due for February 2018. ASUS published, and later withdrew the BIOS updates as the media got whiff of them.

The next parts for AMD's mainstream-desktop socket AM4 platform will be Ryzen "Raven Ridge" APUs, which let you finally use the HDMI and DisplayPorts on your motherboards. "Raven Ridge" combines a quad-core "Zen" CPU with a 640-stream processor integrated graphics based on the "Vega" graphics architecture. The "late-2017 or early-2018" time-line for these chips still appears to stand. RedGamingTech suggests that AMD's answer to Intel "Coffee Lake" processors, the 12 nm Ryzen "Pinnacle Ridge" processors, could be out by as early (or late) as February 2018. These chips could be previewed or teased at the company's events held on the sidelines of the 2018 International CES.

Source: RedGamingTech (YouTube)
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20 Comments on ASUS BIOS Change-log Reveals New Ryzen Processors Incoming

#1
Final_Fighter
nice hopefully we get the new chips by feb 2018
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#2
Chaitanya
Final_Fighter said:
nice hopefully we get the new chips by feb 2018
I am hoping for better memory compatibility, I had to go through 4 kits before finding a stable kit for one of the Ryzen based builds.
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#3
Final_Fighter
that too. i wanted to build a ryzen but coffee lake followed to fast. i want a proc i can oc cause its part of the fun for me in owning a pc and amd did not offer it this round. also want to give amd a shot cause i havent had one sense socket 939.
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#4
dicktracy
They have no answer but to lower the price
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#5
Hood
Final_Fighter said:
nice hopefully we get the new chips by feb 2018
If history is any indication, it will be an improvement, but too late even if it beats Coffee Lake, because by then Intel will have Ice Lake or Cannon Lake at higher frequencies, ipc, or core count. Whatever happens, the CPU market is no longer boring.
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#6
RejZoR
Give me the Basilisk APU already AMD. I beg you, please!!!
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#7
ShurikN
Hood said:
If history is any indication, it will be an improvement, but too late even if it beats Coffee Lake, because by then Intel will have Ice Lake or Cannon Lake at higher frequencies, ipc, or core count. Whatever happens, the CPU market is no longer boring.
Coffee lake was supposed to launch in Jan 2018. What makes you think Intel has anything ready for March or similar time frame. Oh, and Intel's 10nm is a joke. It was supposed to come out when... 2 years ago or smth. Not to mention it will hit lower clocks than their 14nm++++ (or how many iterations are there anyway). If they can make it work in the first place.

Increase ipc... don't make me laugh. Sky>Kaby>Coffee has 0 (ZERO) ipc gain.
Core uArch hit a wall, they can only increase clockspeeds. And that is gonna hit a wall soon as well
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#8
Melvis
Whooo about time, I have been waiting for this all yr, this will make great tiny power small form factor gaming PC's, my INWIN Chopin is ready for you Ryzen APU!
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#9
TheLostSwede
Asus didn't pull shit, the new UEFI is still on their website
Version 32032017/11/17 7.69 MBytes

PRIME X370-PRO BIOS 3203
Update to AGESA 1071 for new upcoming processors .
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-X370-PRO/HelpDesk_BIOS/

Final_Fighter said:
that too. i wanted to build a ryzen but coffee lake followed to fast. i want a proc i can oc cause its part of the fun for me in owning a pc and amd did not offer it this round. also want to give amd a shot cause i havent had one sense socket 939.
Huh? You must not have been on the internet since Ryzen launched then, as they're quite overclockable. Sure, they don't start as high as Intel, nor do they go quite as high, but an 850MHz on all eight cores is ok imho.
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#10
Hugh Mungus
Wonder how fast the 12nm refresh cpu's wil be. 5-10% better IPC at least is practically certain and higher clockspeeds too (maybe even core count), but just how much higher (oc-ed) clockspeeds and IPC will be, we just don't know.

Also, Intel might have 8-core mainstream cpu's relatively soon (end this year-beginning next apparently). Maybe I should wait just a little bit longer and I might as well see if a vega refresh or next-gen geforce rolls around. tbh, for purely gaming my a8 6600k/gtx760 pc works just fine with cleverly chosen settings, so I don't NEED to upgrade and I'm busy till the end of the year, so I haven't got much time to game anyway. Gives me some more time to save up money too and who knows what awesome monitors will be available in a few months time? Maybe a high refresh OLED panel, an improved version of the ag352ucg (would be nice considering the aw3418's and z35p's prices) or even a 100Hz+ 3840x1600 monitor?

Maybe being busy isn't a bad thing after all!
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#11
_UV_
Price is more interesting, cause this APUs will be equal to Ryzen 1200 + RX 550 (with 65W TDP) or RX 560 (with 95W TDP).
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#12
Hugh Mungus
_UV_ said:
Price is more interesting, cause this APUs will be equal to Ryzen 1200 + RX 550 (with 65W TDP) or RX 560 (with 95W TDP).
I would expect 140-160 and 180-220. Not necessarily great value, BUT low power consumption AND you could use a tiny case!
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#13
T1beriu
which let you finally use the HDMI and DisplayPorts on your motherboards
Have you heard of Bristol Ridge APUs? They were released more than a year ago for AM4.
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#14
evernessince
Hood said:
If history is any indication, it will be an improvement, but too late even if it beats Coffee Lake, because by then Intel will have Ice Lake or Cannon Lake at higher frequencies, ipc, or core count. Whatever happens, the CPU market is no longer boring.
You are dreaming if you think Intel has anything good coming out in the PC CPU market in 2018. They have been on largely the same architecture for a long time now and have been struggling to get IPC improvements for awhile now. I wouldn't expect higher frequencies either, 5.0 GHz seems to be the cutoff point for them.

It will take Intel all of 2018 just to get yields of coffee lake up, let alone their next gen processors. Intel can't really afford to play core wars with their current design vs AMD. It costs Intel much more to produce it's larger dies than it does AMD with their multi-die design and not to mention the yields of Ryzen are much much better.
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#15
Hugh Mungus
evernessince said:
You are dreaming if you think Intel has anything good coming out in the PC CPU market in 2018. They have been on largely the same architecture for a long time now and have been struggling to get IPC improvements for awhile now. I wouldn't expect higher frequencies either, 5.0 GHz seems to be the cutoff point for them.

It will take Intel all of 2018 just to get yields of coffee lake up, let alone their next gen processors. Intel can't really afford to play core wars with their current design vs AMD. It costs Intel much more to produce it's larger dies than it does AMD with their multi-die design and not to mention the yields of Ryzen are much much better.
Intel might release updated 8700k's for z390 (possibly IPC improved, probably just higher clocks), but 8-cores aren't expected till 2H 2018 sadly.

I'm hoping Ryzen 12nm will have the full skylake/kabylake Intel IPC at least and 4.3-4.4ghz boost clocks for the x-SKU's. 4.7-4.8ghz oc air would be amazing, and 4.8-4.9 water would be even better! 4.5-4.6 is a likely limit though, but Ryzen was only clocked so low because it's 1st gen of the new architecture and it was designed to be efficiënt, not necessarily fast, so maybe they can get the efficiency from 12nm and just ramp up the speeds quite a bit!
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#16
Imsochobo
evernessince said:
You are dreaming if you think Intel has anything good coming out in the PC CPU market in 2018. They have been on largely the same architecture for a long time now and have been struggling to get IPC improvements for awhile now. I wouldn't expect higher frequencies either, 5.0 GHz seems to be the cutoff point for them.

It will take Intel all of 2018 just to get yields of coffee lake up, let alone their next gen processors. Intel can't really afford to play core wars with their current design vs AMD. It costs Intel much more to produce it's larger dies than it does AMD with their multi-die design and not to mention the yields of Ryzen are much much better.
Intel have improved their arc (skl-x) but did it help performance:
NO

Does it help modularity - Yes.
Is it near the engineering perfection of Ryzen - NO, it's simply multiple dies still thus it's kinda useless for Intel still and to tackle performance uplift while improving modularity is a bit of a handful.

Ryzen was made with modularity in mind, it's the entire strategy of the company and been so for a long long time while they've not been fortunate they finally got a CEO which knows what matters.
Modularity was an asset they had from the phenom days and it's just slightly improved whilst performance was missing.

Intel has performance but needs modularity.
Unless AMD has a crappy deal with glofo they can outprice any Intel part due to their modular design.

What does it mean for end user? - Nothing much really, but AMD can play the price game still and make money
AMD can at least refresh a entire lineup in short time and feed enough parts for each segment cause they only have to make a single part which gives us a stiff competition if Intel is up to the task.
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#17
OSdevr
Hugh Mungus said:
Wonder how fast the 12nm refresh cpu's wil be. 5-10% better IPC at least is practically certain and higher clockspeeds too (maybe even core count), but just how much higher (oc-ed) clockspeeds and IPC will be, we just don't know.
It's an optical shrink, why would IPC change?
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#18
Imsochobo
OSdevr said:
It's an optical shrink, why would IPC change?
People mix single thread performance, ipc, clock speed.
they say ipc and or singlethread when they mean frequency\single core boost freq and so on.. :/

I assume 5% performance in games with an added 2% is ipc and 3% in latency optimization internally and 5-10% performance in clock speed.
Should battle coffe lake reasonably.
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OSdevr
Imsochobo said:
People mix single thread performance, ipc, clock speed.
they say ipc and or singlethread when they mean frequency\single core boost freq and so on.. :/

I assume 5% performance in games with an added 2% is ipc and 3% in latency optimization internally and 5-10% performance in clock speed.
Should battle coffe lake reasonably.
You missed my point. It's a die shrink the circuitry is the same. The only things that will change are clockspeed and power usage it will still take the same number of clocks to do stuff just like Skylake -> Kaby Lake -> Coffee Lake.
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#20
xorbe
??? Weeks ago it was already said that 1.0.0.7 was for the incoming apus. It re-orgs the bios a bit, bigger changes than normal apparently.
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