Thursday, January 10th 2019

NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang on Radeon VII: "Underwhelming (...) the Performance is Lousy"; "Freesync Doesn't Work"

PC World managed to get a hold of NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang, picking his thoughts on AMD's recently announced Radeon VII. Skirting through the usual amicable, politically correct answers, Jensen made his thoughts clear on what the competition is offering to compete with NVIDIA's RTX 2000 series. The answer? Vega VII is an "underwhelming product", because "The performance is lousy and there's nothing new. [There's] no ray tracing, no AI. It's 7nm with HBM memory that barely keeps up with a 2080. And if we turn on DLSS we'll crush it. And if we turn on ray tracing we'll crush it." Not content on dissing the competition's product, Jensen Huang also quipped regarding AMD's presentation and product strategy, saying that "It's a weird launch, maybe they thought of it this morning."
Of course, the real market penetration of the technologies Jensen Huang mentions is currently extremely low - only a handful of games support NVIDIA's forward-looking ray tracing technologies. That AMD chose to not significantly invest resources and die-space for what is essentially a stop-gap high-performance card to go against NVIDIA's RTX 2080 means its 7 nm 331 mm² GPU will compete against NVIDIA's 12 nm, 545 mm² die - if performance estimates are correct, of course.
The next remarks came regarding AMD's FreeSync (essentially a name for VESA's Adaptive Sync), which NVIDIA finally decided to support on its GeForce graphics cards - something the company could have done outright, instead of deciding to go the proprietary, module-added, cost-increased route of G-Sync. While most see this as a sign that NVIDIA has seen a market slowdown for its G-Sync, added price-premium monitors and that they're just ceding to market demands, Huang sees it another way, saying that "We never competed. [FreeSync] was never proven to work. As you know, we invented the area of adaptive sync. The truth is most of the FreeSync monitors do not work. They do not even work with AMD's graphics cards." In the wake of these word from Jensen, it's hard to understand the overall silence from users that might have their FreeSync monitors not working.

Reportedly, NVIDIA only found 12 out of 400 FreeSync-supporting monitors to support their G-Sync technology automatically in the initial battery of tests, with most panels requiring a manual override to enable the technology. Huang promised that "We will test every single card against every single monitor against every single game and if it doesn't work, we will say it doesn't work. And if it does, we will let it work," adding a snarky punchline to this matter with an "We believe that you have to test it to promise that it works, and unsurprisingly most of them don't work." Fun times. Source: PC World
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270 Comments on NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang on Radeon VII: "Underwhelming (...) the Performance is Lousy"; "Freesync Doesn't Work"

#1
ZoneDymo
Someone seems a little bitter.... and afraid or something.
Like seriously, I dont say this as some jab, if you are comfortable with your own products and choices, you would not try to put the competition down like this.
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#2
phanbuey
He's probably angry he has to pay someone to take all of those 1180 stickers off of the emergency batch of 1080ti's that they prepped.
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#3
Recus
Huang probably saw this too and deiced to kick back fanboys into reality. :laugh:

<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/acwgik" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">pcmasterrace/comments/acwgik</a>
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#4
Dinnercore
He sounds like a salty and edgy teenager, wow. I guess he always tried to sell this image and targets that audience, but this is low.
Can he legally do that? Accuse products not working out of thin air and without proof? If I do that I will get sued for compensation in my country. I can video proof that my freesync monitor works well, I´d like to invite him over and show him this magic that his company seems unable to achieve without additional hardware.
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#6
JalleR
hmmm i think he look at that small die of the V2 "rocket" :D and see that if he Sells 1 2080 and AMD one V2 (radeon 7) they earn more than him and he is ANGRY about that :) i want the Money he says…. :)
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#7
ShurikN
ZoneDymo said:
Someone seems a little bitter....
You'd be too if you lost this much of your market value in 3 months.

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#8
Hellfire
Wow, I'd expect a CEO of a multi billion dollar company not to whine like a little bitch.

I mean I've seen Emo kids who are less whiney than he is.
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#9
Bones
He also says "The more you spend, the more you save".
It's all marketing BS guys, trying to make a sale or two.
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#11
human_error
So does he think that the 2080 has underwhelming performance? How about the 2070 or 2060 which are even slower?

The Vega VII cards aren't setting a new benchmark in performance but if they perform at the same level as the 2080 I wouldn't say that they are underwhelming at all.

Of course what do people expect the CEO of AMD's competitor to say "oh yes they're decent cards"?
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#12
Rahmat Sofyan
hmmm, weird .. "They do not even work with AMD's graphics cards .. ? " any proof from his statement ?
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#13
therealmeep
"stop-gap card" with more RAM and actual performance improvement against what is a rehashed 1080ti with fancy RAM and more fancy features. RTX is gonna kill Nvidia if they keep trying to push their flop of a series. As for freesync, it's probably a lie that we'll see proved wrong by AMD or some third party in a week or 2.
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#14
tvamos
I've used 3 cards that support freesync with my monitor, zero issues. He knows g-sync is gonna sell less, one more reason for bitterness.
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#15
Hellfire
I thought my freesync worked great.... on all of my cards.... and monitors... IlluminatiConfirmed
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#16
INSTG8R
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More salt please Jensen, I’ll make you some fries....My Freesync works just fine thanks...
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#17
Vayra86
Let's twist Huangs' little nerdrage back to reality :)

NVIDIA only found 12 out of 400 FreeSync-supporting monitors to support their G-Sync technology automatically in the initial battery of tests, with most panels requiring a manual override to enable the technology.
(Hey Huang, isn't that your fault for locking down Gsync and creating artificial barriers? You're saying your tech doesn't work well with an industry wide standard while 12 monitors prove that it can and should :roll::roll: - so, Gsync, it 'doesn't just work')

Huang promised that "We will test every single card against every single monitor against every single game
(
blatant lie - you can never do this and you didn't do it for Gsync with its multitude of configuration-related bugs. In a somewhat related matter, I'm still missing a couple thousand SLI profiles as well)

and if it doesn't work, we will say it doesn't work. And if it does, we will let it work," adding a snarky punchline to this matter with an "We believe that you have to test it to promise that it works, and unsurprisingly most of them don't work."
(Right, so you're surprised you can't plug and play your proprietary tech maze into an open standard? Mkay)

It seems we need to rewrite Huangs punchline:

Nvidia, get to work, so that it "just works". Thanks!

Meanwhile...

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#18
Xaled
Yeah sure! thats why he started adopting freesync. Or it wouldve been a no-brainer to select VII over 2080..
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#19
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
So if freesync doesnt work why did nvidia adopt it???
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#20
megamanxtreme
human_error said:
So does he think that the 2080 has underwhelming performance? How about the 2070 or 2060 which are even slower?
You are making me wonder what the 2080 would have been if competition was strong from both teams. A 2050?
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#21
ShurikN
tvamos said:
I've used 3 cards that support freesync with my monitor, zero issues. He knows g-sync is gonna sell less, one more reason for bitterness.
As far as I understood the whole Freesync launch, most issues were on the very earliest of panels (and probably drivers) After a couple of months the tech worked like intended.
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#22
NdMk2o1o
Smells like sour grapes and immature from a ceo of a multi billion dollar corporation. I don't see what the issue is of vega vii is at 2080 level and priced accordingly.
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#23
INSTG8R
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ShurikN said:
As far as I understood the whole Freesync launch, most issues were on the very earliest of panels (and probably drivers) After a couple of months the tech worked like intended.
I had one of the first Freesync monitors(ASUS MG279Q) my only issue was the odd range(35-90) but was a great monitor. Now on a Freesync 2 monitors and again great monitor with full range.
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#24
unikin
I'm staying in $250 buying ballpark no matter what. If Nvidia charges $250 for RTX 2050 with GTX 1060 performance, I'll just skip it and stay with my OC RX 570 until something comparable to GTX 1070/Vega 56 comes along with $250 price tag or less. That's how you say no to ridiculous pricing of low mid end end products like x060 or 590. I don't care about red or green, I'll buy best price/performance ratio GPU inside my budget. If no progress has been made on price/performance front, I'll skip generation.
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#25
Vayra86
NdMk2o1o said:
Smells like sour grapes and immature from a ceo of a multi billion dollar corporation. I don't see what the issue is of vega vii is at 2080 level and priced accordingly.
The issue is Nvidia just lost their domination on the high end, when they needed it the most to push their Turing affair, which is the worst deal in GPU history. They now only have one top-end card that is completely priced out of the market - out of pure necessity because its too flippin' large - to eclipse AMD's ancient GCN with some lazy tweaks and a shrink. So that, alongside them having to give up the Gsync cash cow because it had nowhere else to go, RTX not really gaining traction in hearts & minds or dev products, mining being over, and their stock price stabilizing at half what it was a few months back.

Yeah, I'd be grumpy too :)
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