Wednesday, October 1st 2025

Microsoft Releases Windows 11 25H2... With Zero New Features?

Microsoft has officially released Windows 11 version 25H2 after months of testing and previews. Delivered as a lightweight enablement package (eKB), 25H2 update is not a complete OS replacement but a light switch that turns on feature code already present on machines running 24H2. Microsoft stages new features inside regular cumulative updates in a disabled state. When the eKB is installed, it flips those flags, and a single restart activates the features, upgrading the device to 25H2 with minimal downtime. Because 24H2 and 25H2 share a servicing branch, they utilize the same codebase and servicing pipeline, which provides annual feature updates with the same efficiency and reliability as monthly updates. That helps reduce package size and installation time, making the transition from 24H2 to 25H2 about as easy as rebooting. The only difference between 25H2 and 24H2 is the support duration. For example, 25H2 Enterprise and Education Windows 11 versions move to a 36-month cycle, while Pro editions follow a 24-month cycle, typical for all Windows 11 24H2 builds.

With the 25H2 update, Microsoft is not focusing on significant under-the-hood changes or a visual overhaul, which were common in previous updates. Instead, the emphasis is primarily on security improvements. For instance, Microsoft is removing features like PowerShell 2.0 and Windows Management Instrumentation command-line (WMIC) during installation. These features were previously deprecated due to vulnerabilities to security exploits. Additionally, IT administrators now have the ability to remove pre-installed Microsoft default apps using Group Policy/MDM CSP on Enterprise and EDU devices.
If you want 25H2 right away, flip on "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available" in Windows Update to move your PC earlier in the staged rollout, but keep in mind Microsoft can delay the update for devices with detected issues (like driver or app incompatibilities) until those are fixed, so it still might not show up immediately. If you'd rather upgrade straight from 24H2 to 25H2, download the enablement package that matches your system architecture from Microsoft's website.
Source: Windows Blog
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122 Comments on Microsoft Releases Windows 11 25H2... With Zero New Features?

#51
chrcoluk
TomorrowPowerShell 7.5.3
Is it super complicated long syntax like most powershell stuff?
Visible NoiseWindows PowerShell for WMI. Long term will be PowerShell for CIM. For new development you should already be using CIM.
I dont use it for development, its handy for command line account and interface management, my issue with anything powershell is it has over complex syntax on most things, but I will have a look thanks. Although when I move to Win11 it will be on 24H2 LTSC which has WMIC, just disabled by default.
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#52
Onasi
AleXXX666Not the same, duh?:rolleyes:;)
…do you not understand the term “enablement package”? Anything new 23H2 has was already on the users PC and in some cases even already working. All the update did was flip a flag to On. This is in stark contrast to ACTUAL major updates like 24H2 which, for all intents and purposes, reinstall the users OS.
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#53
Legacy-ZA
Has anyone here tried "Tiny 11" with Valotic? It looks intriguing.

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#54
colossusrageblack
N3utroUse the media creation tool from www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 to generate a bootable usb windows 11 media and use it to fully wipe your system ssd before installing.

That's the clean way to update to 11. Updating from 10 can lead to various issues.



You can uninstall copilot and recall from 24H2 in a few clicks. You can even remove them right at install with an unattend custom file.
It's much easier just to complain on forums though.
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#55
harm9963
So many versions builds , being apart of the Insider Dev , Canary is a bridge too far , my profile is set and back up , way too much AI STUFF , THAT IS STILL WORK IN PROGRESS ! so many fools on YOUTUBE and others believed CHAT GPT IS PERFECT, spread misinformation at a rapid pace , have no ideal one error is one to many.
Edition Windows 11 Pro
Version 25H2
Installed on ‎9/‎5/‎2025
OS build 26220.6760
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.26100.260.0
Biases and ethical concerns
  • Propagated bias: ChatGPT is trained on vast amounts of data from the internet, which contains human-generated biases and prejudices. This means the AI can unintentionally generate responses that are biased or discriminatory.
  • Ethical issues: The technology raises concerns about plagiarism, copyright infringement, and privacy. The risk of generating harmful or offensive content also exists.
  • Potential for misuse: Because ChatGPT can generate human-like text at scale, it can be misused to create spam, fake news, or engage in cyberbullying.
Other weaknesses
  • Outdated information: Free versions of ChatGPT have limited internet access and are trained on data up to a specific point in time, meaning they cannot provide up-to-date information on recent events or emerging trends.
  • Repetitive and generic content: The AI can sometimes produce bland, repetitive, or unoriginal content, especially in long-form writing.
  • Lack of human nuance: ChatGPT struggles to understand sarcasm, humor, and other subtleties of human communication.
Why the "perfection" narrative exists on YouTube
The belief that ChatGPT is "perfect" on platforms like YouTube is likely a result of several factors:
  • Clickbait and sensationalism: Exaggerated claims of AI perfection can attract more views and engagement.
  • Content limitations: Many YouTube videos demonstrate AI for creative tasks like content generation, brainstorming, or writing simple code. In these contexts, the AI's flaws might be less apparent to a casual user.
  • Selective use: Creators often showcase ideal examples where the AI performs well, while omitting the instances where it fails or requires extensive correction.
  • User bias: The YouTube algorithm may also contribute by feeding users an echo chamber of content that aligns with their initial positive searches related to AI.
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#56
Morbius2021
OK,

well here is the hard and ugly truth of windows 11 25H2, its a big bunch of Nothing, and as far as the las 18 months of "updates" its been an unmitigated DISASTER for microsoft.

Its been 20 months of updates since Spring of 2024 and 18 monthly updates that broke something major EVERY month, I kept waiting for them to have a month that was just updates without breaking stuff.

Nope, one month after the last it was more of the same, update released, about 3-7 days later an announcement that there were some problems created with the update and that MS was "working" on a fix.

So we are now at 18 updates and 18 broken functions issues, so if you go on straight progress, we have had almost NO new features and tons of one step forward one step back.

its like we have been standing in place for nearly 2 years now.

Windows 12 was delayed, not be 6 months but by nearly 2 years.

Microsoft has been pushing SO many resources into the Co-pilot stuff and AI in general that they no longer have the resources to actually make anything new or innovative.

its not that they cant, they wont.

Windows 10 was going to be the last version of windows we ever got.

Then it wasn't, windows 11 came along roughly 2.5 years ago, guess what, its been a frozen product for 2 years and it still sucks. For every new major security flaw, the fix comes with broken functions that are 10+ years old.

This last month, they broke media playback, not to mention the dozen or so times they have broken VPN and every other core feature that windows has.

Microsoft, for the love of god, please dedicate some resources to fixing this steaming pile of crap.
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#57
RJARRRPCGP
What's the most important, is solving the Windows component store issues, where Component Based Servicing (CBS) reports unexpected content in the component store after a patch-Tuesday cumulative update is installed. I'm not the only one having this issue!
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#58
Dr_b_
hopefully with the help of Copilot, Microsoft's legion of outsourced developers can write more stable code
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#60
R-T-B
Vayra86Security != features
Indeed, but you said "updates" making it very vague.
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#61
Visible Noise
chrcolukIs it super complicated long syntax like most powershell stuff?


I dont use it for development, its handy for command line account and interface management, my issue with anything powershell is it has over complex syntax on most things, but I will have a look thanks. Although when I move to Win11 it will be on 24H2 LTSC which has WMIC, just disabled by default.
WMI is deprecated. I expect it to get pulled in 2027.
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#62
Prima.Vera
Morbius2021Microsoft has been pushing SO many resources into the Co-pilot stuff and AI in general that they no longer have the resources to actually make anything new or innovative.
Funny. A multi trillion USD company should never face "limited resources" issues, but I guess their priorities are totally different.
Quality product and proper testing, NOT one of them.
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#63
AleXXX666
Morbius2021OK,

well here is the hard and ugly truth of windows 11 25H2, its a big bunch of Nothing, and as far as the las 18 months of "updates" its been an unmitigated DISASTER for microsoft.

Its been 20 months of updates since Spring of 2024 and 18 monthly updates that broke something major EVERY month, I kept waiting for them to have a month that was just updates without breaking stuff.

Nope, one month after the last it was more of the same, update released, about 3-7 days later an announcement that there were some problems created with the update and that MS was "working" on a fix.

So we are now at 18 updates and 18 broken functions issues, so if you go on straight progress, we have had almost NO new features and tons of one step forward one step back.

its like we have been standing in place for nearly 2 years now.

Windows 12 was delayed, not be 6 months but by nearly 2 years.

Microsoft has been pushing SO many resources into the Co-pilot stuff and AI in general that they no longer have the resources to actually make anything new or innovative.

its not that they cant, they wont.

Windows 10 was going to be the last version of windows we ever got.

Then it wasn't, windows 11 came along roughly 2.5 years ago, guess what, its been a frozen product for 2 years and it still sucks. For every new major security flaw, the fix comes with broken functions that are 10+ years old.

This last month, they broke media playback, not to mention the dozen or so times they have broken VPN and every other core feature that windows has.

Microsoft, for the love of god, please dedicate some resources to fixing this steaming pile of crap.
I like SQUARE windows BACK. This little "change" is already very tempting for me...:rolleyes::D looks clean asf:cool:
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#64
Visible Noise
PaganstompMeanwhile....


How is a copy of windows not activated on a Dell? The activation keys are in the UEFI.
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#65
DaemonForce
Look at the memory slotted. It doesn't have EFI.
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#66
C1ff0
JermelescuCan you tell me some problems? Never have I ever had problems with Windows updates. What I did have problems with tho is drivers and shitty BIOS from Asus.
I had one a few yearts back at work with windows update.
The pc of a colleague, a Thinkstation P900, received a update, as usual. The problem was this: every time she tried to print something, the pc would BSOD. I tried uninstalling the print driver, starting with the Canon plotter, and after that didn't work, with the Utax photocopier. Nothing. I had to burn my brain to find a solution. Then i found out this was the problem.

Windows10/comments/m1vljh/windows_10_kb5000802_march_update_is_crashing_pcs
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#67
lexluthermiester
After some deep dive testing, I would strongly recommend people wait to update until the January update. Too many problems currently.
Visible NoiseHow is a copy of windows not activated on a Dell? The activation keys are in the UEFI.
For one, that is a Pentium 4 system, which is a Windows XP era machine. It does NOT have UEFI and the embedded keys will not work on modern versions of Windows. How did you miss all of that? It's all clearly shown in the screenshot..
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#68
computerdave911
if you read windows blog, it has improved security, and is lighter and faster,, i did clean install last night with 25h2 media creation tool created media, on 6th gen i5 pc on nvme, and its now as fast as windows 10, , best version yet,, and no unsupported hardware messages at all,
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#69
Konceptz
Haven't had the first issue with 11 or 10 🤔
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#70
Octavean
cinemawareBut if it had new features, people would complain as well. Can't win, really ;)
Yeah but is it really fair to use logic and common sense when it comes to people,......?!?!
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#71
Hecate91
computerdave911its now as fast as windows 10, , best version yet,, and no unsupported hardware messages at all,
I'll believe when I see it as W11 has only gotten slower down with every update. Unsupported systems just won't get updates automatically, workarounds are still required.
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#72
AnitaYK
ChomiqWhen you're the feature.


Isn't this targeting the known bypasses?
I think the wording could've been different, during this update installation enablement those products will be disabled. It seems they'll still be available during OS installations. I'd have to do a fresh install to verify.
Also, the user has been the 'feature' and the product for some time.
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#73
AleXXX666
installed this on real machines too:
1. client build with 13600KF, 32 GB DDR5 and 5070Ti, sata ssd (kingston datacenter grade)
2. my laptop i7-11800H, 32 GB DDR4-3200 and 3050 laptop gpu, M2 ssd

Both machines feels pretty fast, no issues so far on few days of usage. Updates made and disabled for five weeks for heaven's sake lol
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#74
R-T-B
Visible NoiseWMI is deprecated. I expect it to get pulled in 2027.
I'm pretty sure it was disabled entirely with this update man.
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#75
Tomorrow
R-T-BI'm pretty sure it was disabled entirely with this update man.
Only the commandline component WMIC was. WMI itself still works.
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