JustBenchingNaaah man. 8gb is fine for now but the RTX 6060 might release in like 2029 or something. 12gb should be the minimum by then for an x60 tier. Especially with new consoles on the horizon games might actually utilize it. Plus if you want low vram cards there are always options from the competition anyways, they just released their shiny brand new 4gb gpus.

Hecate91I don't see any reason why VRAM size needs to stagnate either.
The RTX 3060 from 5 years ago had a 12GB option, 12GB should be the bare minimum for a card launching in 2029.

Hecate91Modern titles use more than 8GB of VRAM

Hecate91…and expecting game devs to fix things is an unrealistic expectation when AAA companies are pushing devs to code games in UE5 slop anyway.

Hecate91An RTX 6060 being stuck on 8GB of VRAM would keep costs down for Nvidia themselves, but not for consumers

john_"nvidia is EVIL and hates gamers" Where did you read that? Nowhere. Nvidia has been criticized for its business practices and its closed ecosystem nature, but that's as far as it goes. On the contrary, it has been praised for the technologies it pushes forward. As for me—just to address your usual, unfortunately, lies—two or three days ago I was explaining why Nvidia will never abandon gamers, that N1X demonstrates the company's intent to engage even more with consumer hardware, and that this was something I had been expecting for years. That in 5–10 years the market might be split between x86 and ARM, with Nvidia acting as the pillar of the ARM platform. Yesterday I was saying that I expected MS to switch to Nvidia with the upcoming Xbox rather than stick with AMD, because when it competes against Sony with similar hardware, it loses.

But we've grown accustomed to reading lies from you by now. The question I've put to you—and which you won't answer—is what is your goal here? Why do you choose lies that undeniably damage your own reputation? What could possibly be more important than your image in TPU? Protecting a 6-trillion-dollar company? Or is your aim to undermine the credibility of the TPU forum itself? What is your purpose that is so important that it justifies writing lies?

Go find something else to do. Nobody visits TPU to read lies.

Youseethis8th gen had 8gb unified memory
4gb vram had problems in some games
6gb vram was tight for 8th gen games
8gb vram is perfect for 8th gen games

9th gen has 16gb unified memory
8gb vram has problems in some games
12gb vram is tight for 9th gen games
16gb vram is perfect for 9th gen games

But now the 10th is upon us, or it would be.
The rumor is 30gb unified ram for the ps6. Unless they downgrade to 24gb or 20gb, the new demand will be:

10th gen will have 30gb unified memory
14gb vram will have problems let alone 12.
22gb will be tight so 24 will be even better
30gb will be perfect and 32gb even more so.

8gb will be pathetic.

Fortunately rumors for downgrades and delays are swirling. It will be really funy if the ps6 has 20gb "only".

If that is the case, then 16gb will be tight but enough for a long time.

If you think this extrapolation is a stretch, at least try an unreal 5 game on a fury x or something. If the drivers and feature set allow, the 4gb of vram will be an issue.

JustBenchingYou asked how can other companies compete with nvidia. I told you how - release high end cards - in the past 6 generations - since 2015 - amd only released a high end GPU once, intel none. Then keep their older cards in active driver development for at least as long as nvidia. Thirdly, don't force your own customers to upgrade to get access to a good upscaler since nvidia gives it day one to 2018 gpus.

Now of course you are going to come back with "but nvidia yadayada". Doesn't matter. What nvidia does is irrelevant. You asked what the other companies can do to compete. You can't start your answer to that question with "but nvidia". Nvidia is irrelevant. They already have the marketshare. It's what other companies can do to gain it back.

john_Same old, same old, same old, same old pseudo-arguments, and when we explain certain things to you, you just come back later and repeat the exact same pseudo-arguments over and over again. You tell us about the upscaler AMD was offering that wasn't DLSS-quality, we tell you about Frame Generation that AMD offered while Nvidia didn't, and nothing. You just repeat the same things. If AMD doesn't offer something, that's the reason why it's not competitive; if Nvidia doesn't offer something, it's insignificant because it suits you, and therefore that's how it is, simply because it suits you. Same old story. We talk to you and you just go singing "yadayada" because you don't want to listen to what we're telling you, because it doesn't align with your agenda. Same old, same old, same old, same old.

JustBenchingNvidia not offering something is irrelevant cause you've already acknowledged yourself that they are the dominant market player and the others can't compete. So Nvidia offering even more things would widen the gap not shorten it.

But predictably you started your answer yet again with "but Nvidia".